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Carpenter
Sir Percy, while we are talking about communist dangers and threats, what is the situation with the Communist Party in your home, Australia?
Spender
Well, I suppose it's precisely the same as it is in most democratic countries. There has been a Communist Party in our country. There has been more than one attempt to deal with it by legislation. But the most effective means which so far we have found to deal with it, are first, by the work of unionists themselves inside their union, and secondly what is called in our country the secret ballot for the election of union leaders. And so that where the secret ballot applies, communist leaders are not able to engage in their usual tactics of rigging the ballot.