Talk:Futurist Manifesto

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I'm probably a bit clueless here, but how in the world can this be considered an encyclopida article? Shall we post the manifesto's of every fringe movement? maveric149

well, yes. We have the Dadaists, the Surrealists, and I can't think who else. Personally, I rather like the Futurists as painters, though their manifesto is deeply suspect. We probably ought to have an entry for 'art movement manifestos' as a general phenomenon, with everyone linked off of that. --MichaelTinkler

Ah, wikipedia. It's already there. See manifesto - stubbily inadequate, but already there. --MichaelTinkler

Why not? Why is it so terrible that we can read what someone who deserves an article in Wikipedia (do Futurists deserve it?) said about himself and his ideas? Is it a matter of "weight" or do you find others too should be removed?

Manifesto's, by there very nature, are non-NPOV. Wikipedia has a strong NPOV policy, and the last time I checked this is still in force. I suggest more explanation and commentary to the article, otherwise it is too one sided. maveric149

there are some wikipedians who insist that the texts are essential and so short that, since wikipedia isn't paper, we might as well have 'em. I think the policy is that no more Shakespeare plays need be uploaded! The Futurists are CERTAINLY worth an article; Giacamo Balla, Umberto Boccioni, and Gino Severini are first-grade 20th century artists. On the other hand, I'm personally opposed to all manifestos, plays, poems, genealogies, etc. But then, this is wikipedia. Put up what you like.
I had put it thinking it could have been helpful, as it seems to me that leaving a direct speech (as a manifesto should be) aside, you have in the article: "This is what some say", "This other is what some others say" plus "If you go there, this is instead what they themselves say".
By its nature a manifesto doesn't risk to be confused with an article, IMHO, but might help in understanding matters. In this case, if you read what Futurists directly said about war, you might have a deeper comprehension of what is in the articles.
I apologise however if this was unpolite here, my intention was different :-)
For example, would ANYONE post the entire Principia Discordia on wikipedia simply because the Discordians are "worthy"?

More important question: Does the submitter own the copyright to the English translation of the 1909 original Italian? Or does he/she explicitly have permission to re-license the English text under the FDL? maveric149

Presumed public domain at http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/manifesto.html , as for other translations in http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/ coypright is clearly indicated, while no mention there was for this one, and it seems a detailed site. It is however an excerpt from wider text.

ATTENTION! The Futurists are generally described under Futurism. However, I agree that the unedited placement of the entire Marinetti manifesto is inappropriate for wikipedia.

So why not editing the article? Non-NPOV risk?
  • Because a manifesto isn't an article in the first place.

At the Futurism page, there is a link to a website that provides all the unedited manifestoes your art-loving heart desires. I agree, there should be an essay about "art manifestoes" and not just unedited inclusion of the Surrealists, Dadaists, Futurists and Situationists (did I leave anyone out???). --Anon

Manifestoes are there to allow anyone to add editing. If helpful and NPOV.
  • Again, it's not an article to be edited. It should be quoted but not reprinted in its entirety. This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of primary sources.

[edit] Translation missing the ending

The italian version, also here in en.wikisource, was missing some rather conspicuous sentences, like the one about "disprezzo della donna" (art 9) and about the "Vittoria di Samotracia" (art 4), and also some text in art 10 and the ending of the 11th article, as I found in [1]. This one looks to me like the most complete version... I replaced the italian version by it. It would be nice to have a picture with the original Figaro version. I´ve seen many different versions.

This english version is also missing what looks like to be the ending of the 11th article. I udestand a bit of italian, but it would be nice if someone else could translate it. It´s a rather important passage, as it speaks about Italy, and name the movement!...

11- Noi canteremo le grandi folle agitate dal lavoro, dal piacere o dalla sommossa: canteremo le marce multicolori e polifoniche delle rivoluzioni nelle capitali moderne; canteremo il vibrante fervore notturno degli arsenali e dei cantieri, incendiati da violente lune elettriche; le stazioni ingorde, divoratrici di serpi che fumano; le officine appese alle nuvole per i contorti fili dei loro fumi; i ponti simili a ginnasti giganti che fiutano l'orizzonte, e le locomotive dall'ampio petto, che scalpitano sulle rotaie, come enormi cavalli d'acciaio imbrigliati di tubi, e il volo scivolante degli aeroplani, la cui elica garrisce al vento come una bandiera e sembra applaudire come una folla entusiasta. E' dall'Italia che noi lanciamo pel mondo questo nostro manifesto di violenza travolgente e incendiaria col quale fondiamo oggi il FUTURISMO perché vogliamo liberare questo paese dalla sua fetida cancrena di professori, d'archeologi, di ciceroni e d'antiquari. Già per troppo tempo l'Italia è stata un mercato di rigattieri. Noi vogliamo liberarla dagli innumerevoli musei che la coprono tutta di cimiteri.

-- Nwerneck 18:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

    • yea i'm planning to edit this tommorow--75.31.21.101 08:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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