Talk:Nicomachean Ethics (Chase)

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Edition: The Nicomachean Ethics of Aristotle, translated by D. P. Chase and published in 1911
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Contributor(s):
  • Contributors to Project Gutenberg: Ted Garvin, David Widger and the DP Team
  • Contributors to Wikisource: originally uploaded by WonderWorld, initial formatting by Fadookie and ...
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Source[edit]

What is the *actual* source of this translation? I realize it's in the public domain (presumably) and Project Gutenberg doesn't provide the name of the translator, but that's no excuse for us not to provide this information. -- Visviva 14:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems to have been translated by William Ross and Benjamin Jowett, and published in 1923. A book entitled "Aristotle selections" by William Ross had its copyright renewed, but Ethics (a 280-page work) would not be included in a collection. The translation is therefore in the public domain by failure to renew copyright. I've updated the page accordingly. —{admin} Pathoschild 17:17:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Judging from The ethics of Aristotle, this edition seems to have been translated by D. P. Chase, and published at 1911. --Dan Polansky 16:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Todo[edit]

  • Sectioning. Most pages have no sectioning, meanining no ==I==, ==II== etc.
  • Paragraphs. What appears like paragraphs are in fact sections. There are mising empty lines between paragraphs.
  • Verification of paragraphs. Also, verification of the paragraphs against the source at Gutenberg is required, as some paragraphs that are there in the Gutenberg source are, in here in Wikisource, not even indicated by a single line break.
  • Italics. Underscores texts should be turned into italics.
  • Blockquotes. Some parts of the text should be formatted using blockquotes.

--Dan Polansky 10:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC) --Dan Polansky 12:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Alternative sources[edit]

The current text has been taken over from Project Gutenberg. Alternative sources of other translations include:

Alternative sources
Name Provider Translators Year Note
Nicomachean Ethics classics.mit.edu W. D. Ross
Nicomachean Ethics constitution.org W. D. Ross
The ethics of Aristotle Internet Archive D. P. Chase 1911 Has a flip book showing the same translation as the one in this wikibook.

J.A. Smith[edit]

Assuming that this is the Chase edition, the Ethics (Aristotle)/Introduction may not be in the public domain as it was written by J.A. Smith; we need to pin down who this "J.A. Smith" fellow/lass is. John Vandenberg (chat) 13:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

J.A. Smith is almost certainly Author:John Alexander Smith --John Vandenberg (chat) 15:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

other editions[edit]

This is a different edition which has an introduction by "Geo. Henry Lewes" (George Henry Lewes), and is edited by J.M.Mitchell.OCLC 14636269all editions My guess is that the introduction is by a George Henry Lewes (1817-1878)[1] John Vandenberg (chat) 15:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a 1925 work (1931 imprint) that was incorporated into the Works of Aristotle series. John Vandenberg (chat) 15:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Formatting of sidenotes[edit]

Currently, some sidenotes are formatted using {{verse}}. Is there any advantage to using this templates instead of {{left sidenote}}? --Dan Polansky 11:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

{{verse}} serves for navigation, enabling referring to parts of the page using # in the URL of the web page, like ".../Book Ten#1174b". --Dan Polansky 12:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
When I fist used the verse template I did not know of the existence of the left sidenote template. However I would prefer sticking to verse as it does allow direct linking from other pages, eg. wikipedia (as you said!) Suicidalhamster 12:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
There is also the {{number}} template, possibly suitable for the purpose. --Dan Polansky 15:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I propose to use {{number}}} from now on instead of {{verse}}, like {{number|1984a|1984a}}.--Dan Polansky 12:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the changes to {{number}} make it easier to understand and use. Additionally it fits the usage in the book more closely. Suicidalhamster 13:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Although when its used in the page namespace it does cause the numbers to be over the image as here. Can anything be done about this? Suicidalhamster 13:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I cannot do anything about it right now. Another problem with {{number}} appears when printing. Still, we may adjust the {{number}} after we find the best solution, both for screen and for print. --Dan Polansky 14:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

W:Stephanus pagination tells about the numbers that we are trying to format using sidenotes. --Dan Polansky (talk) 07:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Title of the book[edit]

Should not the book be moved to "Nicomachean Ethics" from "Ethics (Aristotle)"? That is the full title of the book. There are other versions or editions of his Ethics, such as Eudemian Ethics. --Dan Polansky 13:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree, page 5 calls it The Nicomachean Ethics, so probable sensible to follow that. Suicidalhamster 13:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Formatting — class lefttext vs prose[edit]

Currently, the text is surrounded with the DIV with the class "lefttext". Is this class preferable to "prose"? Are there some model books for the choice of the class?

One obvious difference is that "prose" centers the text while "lefttext" has it left-aligned. Also, the text styled in prose can be printed when scaled to 125% without cutting of edges, unlike "lefttext"; in 150%, both have the text cut, unlike when there is no class at all. Apparently, these classes still need some finetuning for printing. What I say about printing can be verified in print preview of the browser.

The way to go is to restrict the CSS styling for those two classes by the type of media, that is by "screen" and "print". --Dan Polansky 06:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Search[edit]

Search in the book with Google: search the book.

When searching, click "repeat the search with the omitted results included" after the search to get all the results. A better solution is welcome.

Tricks in the URL:

  • Put the searched word before the "inurl:" word.
  • Put the url in quotation marks, that is, %22.

--Dan Polansky 12:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I am redesing the format and using a different source that still hold the same text except for a few differences because it is a different translator but i don't think it makes much of a difference,. and i would suggest pointing out right off the bate in the inroduction that it was not written by aristotle instead of waiting till thee very end of the page. but i will wait for a response