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"All I know is that you feel good
in the ring."The Game (1905) by Jack London

"All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"

from "The Boxer" by Simon & Garfunkel

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September 11th, 2001

...It was as if an earthquake rent
The hearth-stones of a continent,
          And made forlorn
          The households born
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!

And in despair I bowed my head;
"There is no peace on earth," I said:
          "For hate is strong,
          And mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!"

Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
"God is not dead; nor doth he sleep!
          The Wrong shall fail,
          The Right prevail,
With peace on earth, good-will to men!"

—from Christmas Bells by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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Treasury of War Poetry is completed[edit]

Hi, I had intended to complete this while you were moving house and have it ready as a welcome back present, but life got in the way. Anyway, with some help from Kathleen, it's now all done. Adam is thinking of using it as a featured text during the centenary period of WWI and working through it has nudged me to start thinking seriously about a Poem of the Day (or Week) feature on the Main page. I need to think through the logistics of how to make it work without having to manually change a template every day. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I was just in the process of thanking you again for the validation on your Talk page after seeing the work's status changed to "done"; but then I noticed your post here, and the little bit I began to write seemed an understatement in light of the "welcome back present" :) MUCH thanks to you and others who have helped me with this work. It is a favorite of mine. To note, I completed the work by—and added it to new texts on—9/11/2011 (8:46am NY time) in remembrance of the September 11th attacks. Again, thank you guys so much. Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Not a short poem, but if I may suggest a poem from the text to illustrate (perhaps during that "centenary period"), it would be "Sonnets written in the fall of 1914" by George Edward Woodberry. I remember editing the poem, and not wanting it to end. It well illustrates the time, in my opinion. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Index:Canadian poems of the great war.djvu[edit]

Want to have a go at this? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit burned out from Armistice Day—thanks, by the way, for having a go at that one; it motivated me to see it through to completion, even as validator. I already have a To Do list, and am moving at a slow pace, but I will place Canadian poems on the backburner. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Advice request[edit]

Hi, Susan has asked me a question at User talk:Beeswaxcandle#Translations that has taken me out of my depth. I was wondering if you might have some thoughts about it? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

In respect of Armistice Day[edit]

Thanks for getting that to completion, even you did have to do a double validation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem; sometimes the best motivation is collaboration. Wish it had been a simpler task, but then one doesn't learn something new in the process! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Audio recordings.[edit]

I note that you've been a contributor in respect of other War Poets as well. Are there good recordings of them?

Also has 'The Unseen Host' (by Percival Wilde) ever been adapted as a radio production? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I haven't heard any. Re: Wilde, I have no idea; but a quick Google search shows that a Wilde one-act play entitled "The Finger of God" was "presented with a technique never attempted in radio before." [1] Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with a poem in a footnote[edit]

Hi, I'm having problems with the poem split across Page:History of England (Froude) Vol 5.djvu/613 & Page:History of England (Froude) Vol 5.djvu/614. It's coming out oddly on History of England (Froude)/Chapter 33#cite note-p613-92. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, BWC. Look what I did here, and on the subsequent page. When formatting the poem, I basically treat it like it is not broken over two pages. It looks messy on the index pages, but it works perfectly in the Main (footnote 59). I have tried other ways, but they don't seem to work. Hope it helps; if there is a better way, I'd be interested also. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
In other words, don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Thanks, much appreciated. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
On a different note, is there a new default Layout for Mainspace pages? All books when now viewed on my computer are displayed with what used to be (may still be) Layout 2. Is it something I can change in my Preferences? Some books render well with this layout, but not others (to include poetry with long lines). Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure with this one, as I'm not seeing it, but I'm still using monobook for my default skin. As a possibility to look at, have you turned on the beta feature "Typography refresh" in your preferences? Beyond that I can't help. It's probably more George's or Eliyak's (or maybe Viewer2) area. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, if anything, the "cookie" feature for Dynamic Layouts has been improved so that it actually remembers the last Layout invoked in the left hand Display Options menu. In short, cycle thru the Layouts until "Layout 1" (the default) is displayed. This should not change unless you change it or a mainspace work has the lines to force a particular layout included in it somewhere (which is probably going to become real problem in the coming weeks).

The other 2 options in the Display options menu ( hide page links & page links within text [or inline page links] ) should also now work for everybody regardless of browser in use. All credit goes to Eliyak and his script tweaking - I only b*tched & moaned to him about fixing it. -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:56, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


Dear Londonjackbooks.

Regarding User_talk:AuFCL#Rapid_validation, you in fact have touched upon one of my personal annoyances; albeit perhaps in an unsuspected aspect. Please believe I really do take both proofreading and validation seriously, and (perhaps despite what you think!) I will be beyond annoyed with myself if I have let anything slip by. (This is not to say I claim to achieve any kind of perfection, but one does in fact try: even if prosaic reality states otherwise.) AuFCL (talk) 03:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I guess there is always the possibility of offending, but I thought to ask anyway. Thank you for your responses here and there. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Well of course it was an offensive accusation (as if there is the slightest doubt of that) and for the record I really cannot understand why anybody would make it short of protecting their private project? Now you have certainly achieved the result that I will think three times before consciously touching upon any of your projects…Would you care to furnish a list?

Now you have forced me into the awkward position of awaiting any kind of edit on any of those pages I validated (& for certain I shall be watching) to find out whether your charges in point of fact hold.

If you should find there is any sting in these remarks then consider them commensurate with my annoyance at such a poor-spirited response to an intended "good deed."

There are such things as Learning and Instructing; but this is quite another situation entirely: a completely Wasted effort. AuFCL (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry you feel I have accused you of anything other than rapid validation. By "rapid validation", I by no means intended to insinuate that you had committed any sort of offence. On the contrary, the offence is mine in not explaining myself sufficiently. Rapid to me may be normal to someone else; I just happen to be slow myself. Perhaps I could have worded things differently; a more accurate re-wording of my original post on your Talk page would be: "Wow! you sure do validate quickly! I don't know you and am not familiar with your editing, so I am just making sure you are being careful not to miss any typos that were frequently the result of OCR errors, etc." (I did not mean that you had missed any typos. When I said I had to replace many typos, I meant OCR errors while I was proofreading... not ones that you had overlooked. You misunderstood, but that is my fault.) I tried to be as to-the-point as possible so as not to be misunderstood, but I apparently have, and for that I am sorry. Sometimes much is lost in translation, and sometimes much comes out of it that is not the case. Sorry I was not clear. Best, Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for that. Most gracious of you. I shall remain cautious of "treading upon your toes" however.

Despite its confrontational aspects, I still think it more healthy to resolve these issues early than for un-explicitly-stated matters (fast validation might indicate faulty validation…) to fester.

But without finding any actual fault I continue to consider the charge an irresponsible one—however well-intentioned. I am of course going to look really silly if you do find faults now—for which I will then take full responsibility where appropriate; but now is not that then as yet. I'll put the daggers away for now. AuFCL (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I do not feel that you have tread upon my toes, and you don't have to worry about doing so. On the contrary, you speak of learning and instructing, and I would welcome any suggestions of how I could have approached you differently with the "rapid validation" concern. Timing, wording, etc. And I will not be looking for faults with your work. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Regrettably reconstructing the words you wished somebody else to have used so as not to have created an offence [which of course nobody would then have found even remarkable] in the first place is often an exercise doomed to futility.

That I was progressing through those pages rather rapidly I entirely concede, not least because I was trialling a fragment of javascript whose effect was to change eligible (unedited yellow) links on an Index: page to "direct-to-edit-mode" ones (ala normal red-link handling.) Also, the fact that your own proofreading had been of such high standard contributed hugely. In fact looking back on my own change history I was rather surprised to note a kind of rough pattern in that about every tenth page seemed to require slightly more attention than the bulk of its compatriots?

Oh, and in case you were curious, here is the script fragment (slightly tidied up to make it a little more readable):

 var AllATags=document.getElementsByTagName('a');
 for(var S=0;S<AllATags.length;S++){
    } else {
 void 0
In case you are rash enough to try this yourself, please be warned that it is but a half-completed experiment which may be doomed to go nowhere; and in any case in its current form relies entirely upon the Index: page state being previously set by the official "Pages I can validate" gadget.

There was no particular reason for selecting this work other than the simple coincidence of its appearance on the "New Texts" list (since cycled out) and having a substantial number of still un-validated pages. AuFCL (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Script and its use is unfortunately over my head, along with many other things technical. I am happy just to upload, proofread & occasionally validate. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

The poetical works of Matthew Arnold Participation[edit]

Is it okay if I lend you a hand in proofreading The poetical works of Matthew Arnold? If so, are there any things to consider employing? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course! It would be great to have some help, thanks! There are some guidelines for formatting on the Index talk page if you'd like to take a look there; otherwise you may take a look at any of the pages I have proofread to see how I have been formatting the work. Thanks for considering! Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Here's a question: what's the template block center/e used for? When is it used? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
To quote the {{Block center}} page: [The] template places a block of text in the center of the page, without affecting the text alignment within that block. I use the template with poetry. If a whole poem appears on one page, you would format it like this:
{{block center|The thoughts that rain their steady glow<br />
Like stars on life's cold sea,<br />
Which others know, or say they know,—<br />
They never shone for me.}}

If a poem spans multiple pages, you can reference this page/section, for it illustrates things better than I can explain things. Hope that helps! Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I mean the bottom typing box. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 04:00, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
The footer, actually. --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I have "preset" block center/e (via the Index page) to appear in the footer automatically (and block center/s appears in the header as well). This is just so I don't have to type it each time I start a new page. It will sometimes need to be removed from the header/footer if/when it is not needed. For example, if a poem begins on a new page, the block center/s will need to appear in the page body and not in the header (see here). And if a poem ends on a page, block center/e will need to be deleted from the footer and placed at the very end of the poem in the page body. But more often than not, you will find poems spanning multiple pages, and you will therefore need them to appear in the header and footer. Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, I am currently working out some formatting issues with User:Ineuw right now, so if you are still interested in helping out, if you don't mind waiting until some formatting consensus is worked out first. I'll leave word here when things are good to go. Sorry, and thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:25, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Good to go! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:49, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Page:The Spirit of the Nation.djvu/95[edit]

The original format is in the early revision, but I went back to a simpler template formatting because the transclusion broke, due to the use of a lot of templates. Feel free to put the formatting back, but the transclusion limits will need to be looked into.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I guess I placed 'problematic' on the wrong pages then :) I'm afraid "transclusion limits" are beyond my ken, but if there is any other way I can help, let me know! Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed[edit]

Spotted that when I got to Epigram (2). Fixed now.--Keith Edkins (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks!Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Index:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu[edit]

Any chance of giving this a read over?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

As in proofread? or validate? or... Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Ideally validation, but spotting the transcription errors(and I've been careful) I've missed appreciated.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Sure! I've gone over a couple pages already. I'll link to the project in my "To Do" list, and I'll pay visits to it. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)