User talk:Ludvikus~enwikisource

Edits on The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

Hello,

Your edits to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion have been reverted. Please ask on the talk page first. Thanks, Yann 16:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

You were requested not to edit this page before asking. However you renamed it. So I blocked you for three days as a warning. Yann 10:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Dear Yann, I'm new to Wikisource. I'm a Wikipedian on the regular page. I had no idea that there are different rules here. Wikipedia Policy is to be Bold. So I did not know that just because an editor asks you to do something, you have to do it.

So because of this fact, I ask that you unblock me. If you do not do it how shall I be able to participate in the discussion?

Best regards, --Ludvikus 12:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I unblocked you. This text is quite sensitive, so it is best to discuss it before modifying it. There already was a lot of discussion to establish this version. Regards, Yann 13:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Your are fair. Best to you. --Ludvikus 15:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I spoke too soon. I'm still blocked. Please check to see if you really unblocked me, or someone else. --Ludvikus 15:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Since you did not unblock me as you say you did, I'll make one comment here (I have no choice to do it selsewhere). It's about the image: Image:Learned_elders_1921_edition.gif. You confused my browser's message about it with mine. I just want to point out that it carries the year 1921. But the editor who wants to keep the source says it's a 1920 source. So he's not accurate about what this item is. Also, he appears to say that it's a Church of True Israel item. So why doesn't the source say that? Also, what does this image have to do with the source? This "Church" doesn't have this image.

But what don't you do what you claim to have done - truly Unblock me? --Ludvikus 16:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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I'm still blocked. So I ask that you look at w:Template:The Protocols on regular Wikipedia. This Template will help you identify the various imprints of "The Protocols." --Ludvikus 16:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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I'm still blocked by Yann. Yann, where are you? You said that you unbocked me. But that's not true. Why don't you be honest? If you say that you unblocked me I expect that to be true. But I'm still blocked! What's your explanation to that? If you cannot do it, why don't you ask somebody for help? --Ludvikus 19:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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It appears, Yann, that you've also blocked me from appealing your decision (to block me) with an Administrator. Why did you do that? How come I cannot even appeal your decision to bock me? --Ludvikus 19:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

To answer your question, we often use illustrations from other PD editions than the one the text is from - whether for Treasure Island or The Raven (Poe). We can't realistically host 25 different editions of Treasure Island, so if we have PD illustrations for it, and PD text for it, we meld them together (and note if necessary/possible, which edition the illustrations are from) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Christopher Marlowe} 20:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Look. It's quite simple. All I ask is that you identify your source precisely. And if you use an illustration fron a different source, just say so. Also, I'm suprised by your insensitivity to the issue if an Antisemitic text - that you compare it to Treasure Island. Now don't assume that my objection is on that ground. The fact is this - there are subtle variations to this known plagiarism and forgery. So the differences do count. For example, did you know that there's a version, of 1919, in which there is no mention of Jews whatsoever? And that's not the only one. So what must you take the edited version of the Church of True Israel as representative? It is not. Why don't you take Maurice Joly's text and just call it "The Protocols"? Where do you stop? [But also, could you get your friend(s) to UNBLOCK me so I could participate in the discussion? I don't think its fair for you to have your friend(s) keep me blocked just because I support deletion. Common - be a sport. Have me unblocked!] --Ludvikus 21:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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I unblocked you when I did write it here. See [1]. If you look at Special:Ipblocklist, you can see that you are not blocked. Regards, Yann 20:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what you say, Yann. But here's what Wikisource says:

    Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user,
    who was blocked by Yann. The reason given is this:
    
    Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Ludvikus".
    The reason given for Ludvikus's block is: "Inserting false information:
    your were requested not to edit this page without asking first" 
    
    * Start of block: 12:41, 27 September 2007
    * Expiry of block: 12:41, 28 September 2007 
   
    You may contact Yann or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.
    
    Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address
    registered in your user preferences and you have not been blocked from using it.
    
    Your block ID is 1436. Please include this ID in any queries you make.

So whose right, Yann, you or Wikisource? --Ludvikus 20:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

You can view and copy the source of this page:

Hello, Sorry I don't understand what's going on. Can you try to log out and then log in again? Regards, Yann 21:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Please try again. Thanks, Yann 21:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Clear your cache (Ctrl-F5 most likely) and it should be fine. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Christopher Marlowe} 21:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

you're back

Welcome back. Now that your block has been cleared, please take your foot of the accelerator as soon as someone else indicates that they don't agree with you. While you are waiting for others to catch up, you might like to help out with the current "Collaboration of the Week": Author:Christopher Marlowe. :-) Cheers, John Vandenberg 00:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I am suggesting that you reconsider acting like The Terminator. Your help will be appreciated here, but we are a small community so we act with more caution and give people more time to respond. Often most of our users are more active on other projects so they dont check here as often. If you don't receive feedback, take the issue to Wikisource:Scriptorium and wait for others to respond. John Vandenberg 01:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard copies

Hello Ludvikus. You mentioned that you had hard copies of some of several Protocols editions; would you happen to have a copy of the 1920 The Protocols and World Revolution? —{admin} Pathoschild 21:05:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes I do. But also - as I said before - that has been scanned by a Librarian at a Research Library and is posted on the Web. I'll get it for you in a moment (by the way, it's already a PDF file) --Ludvikus 21:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Here - I posted it on the Talk page of our article: "Here's truly the First Edition (American/USA) of 1920 (Small, Maynard & Co.): [1]. Ludvikus 23:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)". I hope you don't mind a little cwork of going back there? And do to want to upload that PDF file yourself? I'd rather not get my hands dirty with it, if you know what I mean? I leave the "honor" of uploading that "piece of shit" to another. But if no one else is willing to do it - an it means that the far worse "crap" stays here - then I'll do it - but only if you insist! So to whom will this dubious "honor" go? --Ludvikus 21:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll add that edition. —{admin} Pathoschild 22:05:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

That seems to be a modern derivative, given that it contains Usenet posts. Do you have a copy of the original edition? —{admin} Pathoschild 22:15:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you are talking about in the above. But "The Protocols" first appear in English in the United States in 1920 in an anotated edition under the lead title, "The Protocols and World Revolution." This book is currently available online as in PDF Format here: [2]. --Ludvikus 03:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki templates

Copied from Wikisource:Proposed deletions:

I don't think it's appropriate for Adm. User:Yann to post (anywhere on Wikipedia) this Template until we resolve our dispute (which by the way does not display his recent notice on it here):

Wikisource has original text related to this article:

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

--Ludvikus 16:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed the template above. Please discuss that on user talk:Yann, not here. This discussion is specifically about the inclusion of the work. —{admin} Pathoschild 16:33:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Point well taken, noted, and accepted. --Ludvikus 16:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The following Wikipedia Template lists most of the important versions of this "PSM" (acronym for the Russian imprints) but I think I still do not know how to display it her: {{w:Template:"The Protocols"}}

--Ludvikus 16:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource is a separate project; templates aren't shared. You can link to a Wikipedia template with a normal link starting with the interwiki link "w:". For example, w:Template:"The Protocols". —{admin} Pathoschild 17:10:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

OK. I just put in that combination ["w:"] - and I'm crossing my fingers. Ludvikus 21:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

OK. So I got the link to turn from Red into Blue. By why can't I post it here? In the mean time here's the link where I posted the link to the outside source of the PDF file of the First American Edition of the PSM (it is link No. "[1]" over there) [3] --Ludvikus 21:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

But since practically no one bothers reading the Talk page there, I'll quote from it her (and reproduce its external link here):

"Here's truly the First Edition (American/USA) of 1920 (Small, Maynard & Co.): [4]. Ludvikus 23:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)"

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 21:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Now we all know that "13" is "bad luck." But if you're brave - or not superstitious - you'll click on it & download the PDF file -together, by the way, with a reproduction of the Hand and Fingers of the Librarian who apparently scanned it. --Ludvikus 21:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left a comment on your talk page about your problem with the template, so we can avoid off-topic discussion here. I'll use that PDF to add the 1920 Small, Maynard & company edition. We can delete this one, since we're not sure of the source, and I'll add the other editions as well. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:57:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem here is that Wikisource and Wikiproject are completely separate wikis. We can easily link to Wikipedia, but we cannot display images or templates directly from the Wikipedia wiki. Thus:

• [[w:template:foo]] adds a link to "template:foo" on Wikipedia;
• {{w:template:foo}} is invalid, since interwiki templates are not possible.

—{admin} Pathoschild 22:05:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

My apologies if I accidentally protected the talk page, and I thank you for assuming good faith, it was indeed a mistake -- I do welcome discussion, I just want to avoid rapid moves after each side makes an argument, it's not a chess game :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Nikola Tesla‎.} 22:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Well. It's a nice tone of voice on your part - I appreciate it. Now let me point out to you that I've been "discussing" this stuff for year(s) now - just look above - I'm Ludvikus.

• (1) You've edited here a Web Page of a Mr. David M. Dickerson. Who is he for you to trust as an authority from which you claim to have a copy of the "Protocols of Zion"?
• (2) If you look very carefully at his reference (on his page 10 - as I recollect - you'll find that he claims to be using the imprint which was title "World Conquest Through World Government", and he explicitly refers to the 81st reprint - that the 1958 imprint.
• (3) Now also look at the Image he use.
• (4) It's different from the one you posted.
• (5) You claim that yours comes from a 1921 imprint. Unfortunately, that's too vague. Where did you get this image from? I don't think you can give me any precise reference for this alleged image because it may be phony. It does not look like a book cover. Can you tell me what page it comes from?
• (6) So since I've made my points above - and you've had more than a year to deal with these issues, I suggest you revert back to my editing - until such time as you can justify your contributions. I assume you overlooked the fact that I'm the person who complained about all this a long time ago? Best regards, --Ludvikus (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed

Hello,

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23:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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