User talk:Maile66

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Again, welcome! Billinghurst (talk) 13:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Moved work[edit]

I have move the work that you recently added to your subpages User:Maile66/1850 Census List of Settlers at Zodiac Texas. The work looks like a construct, rather than a published work. Please have a look at Wikisource:What Wikisource includes and if you still think that the work should be included, then please get back to me with how you believe it meets that guideline. Thanks. Billinghurst (talk) 15:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Help[edit]

I need some help, and I've been prodded around in circles. Please give me some clear guidelines. Regarding 1850 Census of Zodiac Texas that you moved to my user page. This list was part of a regular page on Wikipedia called Zodiac, Texas. Some user disagreed, and I moved the list to a List Class on Wikipedia. The same user proposed it for deletion. A sysop told me to create it here on Wikisource. And, I might add, I have never created anything on Wikisource before. This is taking up a lot of my time, and it really should have been a lot less work. Please give me some direction. Maile66 (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that you shouldn't userfy things just because they could stand to have more work done on them, the list looks allowable by our inclusion standards, is decently formatted, and lists its sources. It would be better to use community discussion before taking an action that an (over-sensitive) newcomer could see as "biting the newbie", and clearly explaining what is wrong - and in cases where there's nothing egregious, let it go - or just offer ideas for how he could "improve" it. By the way, @Maile66, you'll likely want to list it on Portal:Texas and possibly Portal:Mormonism once it is back in mainspace. TheSkullOfRFBurton (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for this, and for your tweaking over on the page itself. I'll think this over. Are there community discussion boards on Wikisource? Listing the Zodiac page with Wikiproject LDS is pretty much what started a headache for me a little over a month ago. One solitary user (so far) who keeps coming back (and not just at me and my page)...and I'm just so tired it. I've been tempted to request a delete of the entire Zodiac page I first created...but that same user would probably insist it be put back. -Maile66 (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
It is a questionable inclusion. The source of the page appears to be self published and under development, is there other discussion of its authority and copyright elsewhere? You might start a discussion at Wikisource:Proposed deletions. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 20:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, and thank you for this. Am I correct in thinking that if for right now I just leave it where it is as part of my user page, it's going to be all right to just sit there for the time being? Maile66 (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it will be fine in your userpage pretty much indefinitely, though I hope you're not content to be pushed around, and will actually fight to have it back in mainspace so it can be widely seen/found by those interested in the history of the town. TheSkullOfRFBurton (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
The work was not moved due to a complete or incomplete nature, it was moved as I did not see how it fitted within our guidance, and I pointed to Wikisource:What Wikisource includes. It is neither a complete publication nor a complete historical document, and I would have my doubts that it would ever be so. My response about what a person at Wikipedia has said about it being relevant here, at first glance would seem was incorrect information on their behalf, and we can look to better educating them, at the same that doesn't change the issue of the relevance of the construct itself. To TheSkullOfRFBurton, I did not bite any newbie, and that implication is both incorrect and unnecessary. Billinghurst (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I could not find the mentioned discussion at the article, your talk page, or at the page of the IP address that edited w:Zodiac, Texas. If you can point that to me, then I can better assess the guidance that you were given. Billinghurst (talk) 00:14, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Let me clarify this. I had already separated the census out into a List, and the discussion happened about the List page. That page has been deleted, so that's why you can't find it. If you go to my Wikipedia Talk Page, you will find the notice posted that the page was up for deletion. It is on this notice where it is first mentioned that maybe this should have been on Wikisource. Not knowing anything at all about Wikisource, I went to the sysop who posted the notice. You will find that discussion Here. From there, I came to Wikisource and tried to do what I thought was supposed to be done. Having had a chance over the last few hours to look at Wikisource, I'm beginning to have a better understanding about what Wikisource exists for. However, that having been said, maybe the "proposed for deletion" template should not have suggested it in the first place. One size does not fit all. I would, however, like to just leave it as a part of my User space at Wikisource, if you don't mind. Maile66 (talk) 00:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, that puts a better context around the matter. If there works about the place (newspaper articles, historic documents, ...), or where such information is part of a work and these works are in the public domain with regard to copyright, then these are fodder for Wikisource. Good places to find available scanned works are http://archive.org/ and http://books.google.com/, and if you find any and need a hand, then please feel welcome to ask me or at Wikisource:Scriptorium. Billinghurst (talk) 01:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)