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Interwikilinks[edit]

Hello Moverton. I looked at your talk page out of idle curiosity, wondering if you were about to recieve a new message indicator if my bot subst'd {{welcome}}. Apparently not.

I did notice that you used an absolute link to your Multilingual Wikisource talk page, though. A simpler method is the interwikilink [[oldwikisource:User talk:Moverton|my multilingual talk page]], which produces "my multilingual talk page". You can do the same with the link to the Meta-Wiki on your userpage: [[meta:Help:Special characters|Special characters]], which produces Special characters. See m:Help:Interwiki linking for more information.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions or need help with anything. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 02:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Your changes to {{header}}[edit]

Hello. Please note that I've undone your changes to {{header}}. This template is used on roughly 3,000 pages and should not be heavily modified without discussion. Your changes caused extreme clutter and confusion in basic browsers with bad CSS support, broke the template on pages with the new usage for users without that particular CSS in their stylesheet, and dramatically increased the complexity of exporting to mirrors, archives, and to other formats. Your contributions are welcome, but there is such a thing as being too bold. ;) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 03:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

National Geographic Magazine/Volume 31/June 1917/Our State Flowers: The Floral Emblems Chosen by the Commonwealths/The Oregon Grape[edit]

Hey... I looked at the old version and didn't see anything significantly wrong - is there any particular reason for blanking it? I'm curious as much as anything. Cheers, giggy (:O) 03:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Possibly useful templates[edit]

Saw your new template {{PageMarker}} and thought that I would point out a couple of similar existing templates {{pageno}} and when transcluding from the Page: namespace you can import and apply a page number like {{Page|Yaddada yaddada.djvu|num=65}}. If they are of help, great.-- billinghurst (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Why transclude from sub-subpage to subpage[edit]

Gday. I am trying to see what you are trying to achieve at Boston Evening Transcript/Genealogical/10015/1908-06-17 then being then transcluded into Boston Evening Transcript/Genealogical/10015. Why can't the text be put straight into the article itself? What am I missing? — billinghurst sDrewth 03:13, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't want to make two copies of the same text. This will show the original question and any responses for that one number, and this shows the column as it appeared on that one day. I thought that providing those two different views of the messages and responses would add some value to anyone doing a search. Since I haven't entered any of the responses, it probably wouldn't be that obvious what I was doing. —Mike 00:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
You could just wrap the text component in <includeonly>bit to transclude<</includeonly> and that will do the same thing without having to put it to an extra layer. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Pardon - this work has been in my follow-up bucket since the question on what to do with poem of the same name first came up somewhere. I split a redirect off and made the target a disambiguation page to avoid putting "a fork" in the original series of poems thar made up a single work by I-forger-who. This was a poor work-aound; knowing the disambig page is acting as the BASEPAGE for all these subpages now. Before getting into more Jedi mind-transclusions, it might be a good idea to address on how to isolate these pages from the disambig properly. Ideas? George Orwell III (talk) 04:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Ouch, I hadn't even looked at the top level, or if I had, it isn't in the memory stack of dealing with subpages. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Moved the pages to Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper). We will need to do some sort of listing of contents at that page. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Right.... I had thought there was no point for the interim Genealogical sub-folder to end up being part of final file path(s) and that was where the pruning should take place, but I couldn't quite grasp what the desired product should look-like until now. I guess your solution "fits" with avoiding extra layers too.
At any rate, if this now requires further tweaking to straighten out file-paths or reduce the number of redirects I can help pitch in -- though I like to see just one example of what one day's worth should look like finished first. George Orwell III (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I did some clean up of links so that the redirects can be deleted. If you would like to see an example of how the questions and answers appear, you can refer to Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper)/Genealogical/10000. I entered both the question and answer for that number, and by clicking on the dates you can see where they appear on the daily pages. —Mike 23:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
OK - I think I managed to locate and delete all the previous redirects tied as sub-pages to the old mainspace page Boston Evening Transcript (subsequently redesignated for disambiguation to split your newspaper from the poems, etc.)

Everything now in the "Genealogical" project should only have a basepagenam(ed) Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper). George Orwell III (talk) 02:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


Getting back to what is going on in the content itself to see if there can be more clarity, less work and some streamling if the first 2 are not possible.
  1. Everyday, the paper prints a section of collected Queries and section of various Answers under the overall lead or heading of Genealogical
    • Each query is listed with sequential numbering prefixed by an asterisk ( * ) and runs well into the thousands numer wise.
      • On a particuular date this count reached *10000 and was reset back to *1
    • Each query typically consists of more than one question. These sub-set of questions comprising a single querry are also numbered sequentially (1., 2., 3., ...). Querries comprised of a single question may or may not recieve a sub-set number designation of 1.

      The way to read the 8450th query, printed on any given date & which contained 3 separate questions, could logically be read as *8450.1, *8450.2, and finally *8450.3.

      • Each individually numbered question starts by presenting the name(s) or surname(s) relevant to the inquiry that follows. Sometimes it gets real specific and further sub-sets using lower-case lettering are applied. These further sub-sets, now a part of a single question, may be parts of questions that follow and so on.
    • The last question in a series of questions making up a single asterisks numbered query is signed by the person submitting the question using their initials (no full names).
  2. That days's Answers do not typically, if ever at all, answer that day's Queries. They answer previous queries printed on various dates prior to the date in question.
I'll stop there to preserve my train-of-thought while seeing if at least that much is right...
update You can do the individual [asterisk +] #'d query and the issue it appears in using just 2 Genealogical sub-pages instead of 3:
  • Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper)/Genealogical/1908-06-10
  • Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper)/Genealogical/10000
  • Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper)/Genealogical/10000/1908-06-10redundant

    Not so sure yet if it will be as easy for the answer parts though.

    George Orwell III (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Unless I overlooked something, you are correct in your thinking. I see what you mean about inserting the question's page into the daily page. I don't think there is any simpler way to do the individual answers which can be spread out over multiple days for any given question. After looking at #10,000, I cleaned up the coding in Boston Evening Transcript (newspaper)/Genealogical/10000 which seemed to be unnecessary. —Mike 23:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I forgot mention it before and you've most likely realized as much by now that I had to go back and add a minimal sub-page headers to those pages that were created without one in order to prevent them from being categorized as problematic. This shouldn't effect anything because the header templates are wrapped in no-include tags and won't come along with the desired content when it is transcluded to other pages.
I poked around the Google scans trying to see if I could find any of the other ~27 answers to querry *10000 but I didn't have any luck. Without at least another day that answered something beside 13 or 14, I can't attempt to visualize a better solution to the answer portions.

That thing I had using defined term tags [dl, dd & dt] was just some additional tinkering on my part - I thought staying with the format from narrow columns in a paper from 1908 was not optimal for viewing the content online anymore but if you can live with it --- so can I.

edit please let me know if you drop the extra date specific subpage for the querries and move the content "up one folder" to the querry number folder-- wrapping the content in only-include tags as laid out now in the *10000 example --for all the other ones you've started. George Orwell III (talk) 23:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I have moved the content for the queries. —Mike 23:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
OK I think the folder tree is now set with the deletion of those extraneous "folders". Just drop me a note if you need/want something else on this. George Orwell III (talk) 22:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Kansas cyclopedia[edit]

Just wanted to link for you the possible .djvu sources I found matching this project. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)