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A DNBer :-)[edit]

Gday. By now I do hope that you have come across WS:DNB.

As a couple of pointers. For links internal to the wiki, especially between DNB articles, we created {{DNB lkpl}}, and I munged together {{d}} which crunches something like {{subst:d|Peter Paul|Benazech}} to give Peter Paul Benazech. We have a number of other tricks and guidance on the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

thank you, i only saw that at MoS after doing a couple of piped links. will try to return and fix those. expect to get some transcription done at DNB. please note any obvious errors, that i can avoid. Slowking4 (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello there, thanks for the DNB contributions. I've fixed up the three "problem" articles on your userpage: different transclusion problems (page range, markup issue, missing text). Charles Matthews (talk) 07:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thanks, i have gone back back and fixed sometimes. Slowking4 (talk) 10:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Two further ones: it was the same each time, missing </poem> further up the page confusing the transclusion. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Two more: markup, one an extra row of ####, the other was d. that had got in by mistake. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thanks, i've been fight the #### in ie. the nice thing about the article transclusion is that it catches the code errors, and disambigs. i see you're moving some article names, which i mindlessly got from toc, there is some confusion between the volume toc, and the author page list; and typos, will try to cleanup. Slowking4 (talk) 13:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
There's a point you might note about "tacit disambiguation", which comes up frequently. Basically if the first part of a name occurs as the initial part of another name, we put in dates. The point of the messy lists is to generate better ToCs; they have been typed in from a handbook, onto the author pages; and then sorted. They still have their problems (disambiguations, and the fact that the order isn't correct). I use them to check that the author pages tally with the correct names as created, when redlinks show up. Keep up the good work. A couple of things to look out for: "bom" for "born" is a common typo to miss. Also dates are subject to OCR errors: "l" for "1" is very common, and it happens frequently that 5 is read as 6. Charles Matthews (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thanks, yes i noticed - 5 for 6 about half the time? i'm including the em dash when inline of text, not always that way. the greek letters are always wrong. do we want to tag greek and latin pages for expert review? i dunno if i have those right. Slowking4 (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletes?[edit]

Hi,

Sorry to bother you but I felt it best to double check before I went ahead and deleted all These DNB articles. It seems you did blank the pages but another User, who is not a regular such as yourself (in my view at least), went further and tagged them all with {{Speedy}} delete today.

In short, I'm just not sure if you intended on finishing them up and forgot or if you blanked them because they are no longer needed / redundant / created in error and so on. Let me know here either way. Thanks. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

yes thank-you. i was blanking the page, after a cut and paste move, rather that a move, since i didn't think the wrong name was appropriate for a forward. i see it's also done the other way. Slowking4 (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- thanks for your timely reply & good work! -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Draft of the Smithson will[edit]

I've realised that I got pages 1 and 3 the wrong way around when creating the DjVu of Smithson's will. I will correct this later today and move the pages of text that you have already proofread when I do so. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

thanks very much, the smithsonian fellow will be excited (i noticed reading it, it's in letter order 3214). Slowking4 (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
transcript here, but capitalization wrong [1] Slowking4 (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

{{gap}} takes parameters[edit]

A quick note to say that {{gap}} can be fed with distance, eg. {{gap|10em}} will put in a ten em gap. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

thanks, that will help with variable indents, but how to measure the em space indentation, for instance at the address of a letter for instance [2]; [3]? Slowking4 (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Page triage[edit]

Have you looked over the new patrolling feature I proposed us enabling at the Scriptorium? It does not interfere with the current method of patrolling so no one would be forced to switch if it were brought in. --BirgitteSB 01:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

ok i will give it a try, don't see a wikipedia link; contributor field. Slowking4 (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
the next article appears not to link Miller,_Edward_(DNB00); Miller, George (DNB00). Slowking4 (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

"Tacit" disambiguation[edit]

Hi there. By moving Christie, William (1748-1823) (DNB00) to Christie, William (DNB00) you were relying on "tacit" disambiguation from Christie, William Dougal (DNB00). I.e. that the reader would know that the William Christie in question happened not to have a middle name. The project decided quite some time ago that the more robust explicit disambiguation by dates is better in this type of case. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

ok, feel free to change back. hard for me to decide between conflicting contributor and volume link. Slowking4 (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The volume ToCs are actually not that reliable. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Few things while validating...[edit]

I wasn't sure if you were aware of {{hws}}/{{hwe}} (hyphenated word start/end) for tackling hyphenated words between pages; also, while validating some pages you have proofread, I have been eliminating spaces left before/after some punctuation (quotation marks, colons, semi-colons, exclamation marke, etc.). I thought to address a third issue as well (with regard to {{fs90}}), but as I was beginning to address it, I noticed some possible template issues I had questions about and addressed them at the Scriptorium instead. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC):

yes, i am aware, i plead laziness. the fs90 i picked up from another editor; wrestling with how to show those blocks of quotations through the work. Slowking4 (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I like how the following renders in the Main: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Page||<div style="margin:1.0em 2.0em 1.0em 2.0em; text-align:justify;">}} / {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Page||</div>}}. I just forgot about it until recently. Add a smaller text size to the equation, and it would look much better in the Mainspace. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
that's pretty slick, color me confused how to implement, might play with it; needs to be rolled out across the book. Slowking4 (talk) 03:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
If an agreement can be made on some other type of formatting, I wouldn't be against applying the changes myself; but probably not until next week. Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
if you did a couple to show me how, i would follow; i'm sure people would follow your lead; you could also drop a note on scriptorium to build consensus. Slowking4 (talk) 03:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Different topic, but not requiring a whole new section: The DNB author of the "Arnould" article on this page reads "F.R." in the original, but you have (OCR error?) listed it as "F.E." (with a link to another(?) author). I'd look it up, but am short on time, and can't remember exactly where the list of authors are (in Index) for the DNB. Just thought I'd make mention. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

thanks, yes, i tend to miss the contributor when copyediting, but pick them up when i transclude later. also clean up contributor bio name versus TOC name conflicts. E for R is common. (new editors with funky lower case in supplement.) Slowking4 (talk) 18:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about reasons why editors would choose the lazy route here... then I remembered a situation (et. al.) where I got lazy. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for training me![edit]

And, I found some aeronautics history in Popular Science Monthly that is immediately useful to my research and I'm reading and proofing that. -- Econterms (talk) 09:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

PotM quotation formatting[edit]

Quick note. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

ok, i am agnostic, this seems to be a common practice among printers to show block quotes as smaller type. the indent on the block quote is quite different from the source text. Slowking4 (talk)
It is... but since the formatting suggestion was made on the Talk page, and no one else 'challenged' it, I thought I'd alert you for the sake of uniformity. At least you are not apathetic. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
...or lazy ;) Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

References, Greek & typos[edit]

I wanted to let you know that I re-proofread the page Page:EB1911 - Volume 16.djvu/151 and noted that the reference which started on the previous page continued on to this page, and so I utilized the ref-name/ref-follow method (hoping I handled the reference placement correctly). There was Greek within the reference that was not proofread. If you are unsure of how to add Greek, just place {{Greek missing}} in place of the Greek, and someone will come along and add it for you eventually. I also noted tens of typos, mostly consisting of failure to italicize words or phrases, spelling/character errors, date errors, and failure to remove line spaces. Granted, many of the errors can be difficult to detect (as my eyes can attest to), but there were too many errors overall, in my opinion, to have marked the page as being proofread. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

quite right, i've been spoiled by the quality of the ocr's over at DNB. i will stop validating for a while, making more red pages, and use more zoom button for the smaller characters. this is part of my ongoing effort to transcribe EB1911, for articles in wikipedia that are cut paste from there. Slowking4 (talk) 18:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource meetup or training[edit]

Hey Slowking,
Over the weekend I was talking with Econterms and he mentioned that you might be able to help train Wikipedia editors who are interested in Wikisource. It is tentatively planned for the summer, likely to be in NYC. Is this something you are interested in? - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

yes, sure, although, i'm more a proofreader, than coder. i could used some match and split help. Slowking4 (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Which work do you need match & split help with? I can have a look for you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
sorry, it was a more general discontent. but Goddard Rocket Apparatus Patent; from here [4] (didn't get from jpg to dejavu) the process is very opaque to me. need something for non-coders, hence my passing on the desire for a wizard from GLAM archivists. Slowking4 (talk) 02:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I just upload documents to IA and hope that they will produce the appropriate go-with files. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm more of a proofreader myself, never actually (successfully) used M&S myself. Maybe that's something we could work on at the meetup. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
About Goddard, is the problem creating a DjVu file from 3 Jpegs or skipping that stage and creating an Index page based on individual Jpegs? Both are possible. I ask because I seem to have extracted an image from the second page and I haven't done anything with it (and I can't remember why at the moment). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
yes, i think. loss of momentum to do extracted image, when the other text only docs were done.. Slowking4 (talk) 14:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hübmaier headers[edit]

WE seem to be fomatting these differently on the pages we've done. You've been using the smaller template for dates (but not larger for the section title, I note), whereas I've felt that shrinking the dates isn't imporant, since they won't show up in the transcribed work anyway. Thoughts? --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

yeah, flip a coin; last one there gets last word. i was just happy to figure out that "ref follow". this work has some funny across the open page formatting that will get lost in transcription. Slowking4 (talk) 21:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I started work on a another book with a similar issue, where the pages typically consist of more footnote text than running text. The footnotes can span two, or even three pages sometimes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
the headers are shruggable, useful mainly for navigating and proofreading. the body and footnotes are more important. note there was also some quoted text in body at reduced font; it has been done 90% in other works. Slowking4 (talk) 15:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I haven't come across much of that, but our "finer block" template uses 92% rather than 90%. I'm not entirely sure why this is so, but I suspect it has something to do with resultion of text being easier for machines to handle. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group[edit]

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Template:DNB LRP[edit]

What I always do is to go to an existing template such as Template:DNB AA, edit the author and initial fields there, copy but don't save, and paste into the new template to save. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

yes, thanks for noticing my confusion. the code is very opaque. the template documentation refers to DNB authors not supplement authors. about 20 more to do. Slowking4 (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The "noinclude" stuff is the standard gimmick to get a category on the template page, but not on pages where the template occurs ... Charles Matthews (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Oops, sorry[edit]

You may be getting a notification that I've reverted one of your edits to this page (depending on how you have Echo set up). Sorry about that; it was an accident. I clipped the rollback link when I was counting edits. I rolled back my roll back, so there is no lasting effect, but I thought I should explain. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

yes, i thought you didn’t like the {{smaller|}} for {{small block|}}; no worries. Slowking4 (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Tenth Anniversary Contest winner[edit]

WS:10 winner

Congratulations, you had the highest score in the Tenth Anniversary Contest. (You actually slightly exceeded the edit count of every other contestant combined!) I will be contacting Wikimedia UK regarding the prize, an e-reader, soon to see how they want to handle that. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

hopefully, WMUK will not be adverse to my free beer counter proposal prize. failed to recruit any WMDC, will talk it up at holiday party. <shrug> hopefully, can be made an annual contest, like wikicup. Slowking4 (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations! Yann (talk) 05:54, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Slowking. Adam has been in touch and if you drop me an email on richard.nevell at wikimedia.org.uk we can start getting the prize sorted. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Formatting for Poetical Works of Matthew Arnold[edit]

Hi, Slowking4! Just a heads-up that there are formatting guidelines for this text on the Index Talk page. I have not been using the poem tag, but instead use breaks. Sectioning is also used between poems (also illustrated on the Index Talk page). Thanks for helping! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

ref name and follow[edit]

I saw that you skipped some of the pages with split references. The page with instruction is at Help:Footnotes and endnotes. In short <ref name=pN > (traditional) on first page, <ref follow=pN > on subsequent page(s). The name is to be the same, and not start with a number, my suggestion is p{{{pagenum}}} of the name . — billinghurst sDrewth 03:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

PotM guidelines[edit]

Hello! Just a heads up that we are not using the poem tag for the Proofread of the Month, but instead use end-of-line breaks. You can see an example of the formatting styling here. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Proofreading[edit]

Really? So what does "FOBM" mean? And why is there a zero in C0RN? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

hey, i’m just happy to spell Otjombindè right. late at night, when the eyestrain is on, no amount of zoom will help on the ocr spell correct. maybe lighting a fire would work. i can leave them all red if you prefer. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 21:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
I think the problem is more than, like a lot of folks I've seen here, we get sloppy about not checking the page headers, image captions, and similar things. I've seen this a lot from people here. They check the body text, but not the other text. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
the ocr makes more errors for small caps, fewer errors for normal body text. so correction rate may be same, but more errors to miss in headers & captions. 2 on one page would indicate i was getting sloppy. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 13:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Men of Mark vol.2[edit]

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Men_of_Mark_in_America_vol_2.djvu Slowking4, you did such an excellent work on volume 1 would you please consider coming back and work on volume 2 with me? I intend to validate all I can of volume 1 and 2. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

ok, better than slogging thru the POTM. it will be next week before i have time. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 14:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
—Maury i did a rough TOC at Men of Mark in America/Volume 2, but it needs some work. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 21:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)