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Hello, Tannertsf, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 11:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Contents

Proofreading the Popular Scienve Monthly index pages[edit]

Hi Tannertsf,

Many thanks for proofreading the PSM Volume 1 Index pages, staring with this page. I don’t want to you to waste time re-doing something that was done already. The index pages of volumes 1 to 25 have been proofread, but due to a disagreement with the admins, they were reset to "Not proofread". The issue to change these back to "Proofread" is not overlooked, but it’s something with which I will deal with in the next months.

In my first post here titled The PSM project above, I hurriedly pointed to the first page of the 2nd volume requiring proofreading, and I was wrong. Essentially, you can proofread any page or article of your desire and/or interest and your offer to help is most welcome and appreciated. The order is unimportant, just select whatever topic interests you in any volume.

For my purposes and to make a long story short, I created the Table of Contents, proofread the Index pages, uploaded the images, and worked out a strategy to suit my sense of organization by breaking down the separate elements which make up the volumes. I am committed to finish this as I started, but past the 25th volume, I will modify this strategy. Unfortunately, the Tables of Contents beyond volumes 25 have not been prepared yet, and wouldn’t want you to waste your time on the TOC and the Index pages, because I use an MSAccess database to collect the information which outputs accurate wiki formatted tables for the TOC, Article headers for the main namespace, Index tables for the Page namespace, and Author lists with their contributions. The database also indicates any page number errors in the original. Finally - Image upload is a continuous process and all images until volume 40 are now uploaded. Volume 41 is currently being prepared.

I write all this to give you a better picture of what happened so far and before your involvement. Thanks again for the help.Ineuw 00:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ineuw. I appreciate this info update. - Tannertsf (talk) 02:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

A couple of easy texts to Proofread/Validate[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you wanted to do a couple of straightforward jobs inamongst the more challenging ones? The Rover Boys at School needs Validating (the images are already in place). Alternatively, The Bobbsey Twins at Home needs proofreading. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem...I'll work on them soon for you. Thanks! - Tannertsf (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

PSM Development in Dress article[edit]

Hi. I believe you left a note for this article, Development in Dress to be proofread? Am a bit confused since all articles in Volume 2 have been proofread. Could you please clarify? :-) — Ineuw talk 02:05, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I wanted it validated. - Tannertsf (talk) 02:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem - I will validate it. — Ineuw talk 02:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Completed the proof reading with the exception of the first and last article pages which I can’t validate because I was the proofreader.— Ineuw talk 03:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

ok...thanks. - Tannertsf (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I could validate only one page of Awards at the International Exhibition for the same reason mentioned above.— Ineuw talk 06:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Caesar and Christ[edit]

Hi, I am one of the admins. I looked at the Stanford Copyright Renewal database, which stated this work had its copyright renewed in 1971. What suggested to you that this work was not copyrighted? ResScholar (talk) 05:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Internet Archive was where I originally found it, and I checked this (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) out to verify that I could use it. - Tannertsf (talk) 06:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Tannert, that may refer to the descriptive text at Internet Archive about the work, not the work itself, which may be available through commercial text providers at a fee, but that doesn't mean it's in the public domain. My preliminary search showed that other volumes of this series DO seem to be in the public domain like "The Age of Faith", but not this one. Usually the Stanford Copyright Renewal database is what we go by. I can show you how to get there so you can check any of the Public domain volumes, if there are any more in addition to the "Age of Faith", if you like. ResScholar (talk) 06:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Well then why would it be available for download at the Archive? The Archive is pretty good about only having not in copyright books. And lots of works are available for fees and yet not in copyright.- Tannertsf (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

It's surprising to me if you were able to get it straight from the Archive, and if you can give the filename, or some search terms in the description that will lead me to the book, I might be able to tell you. But it has happened before that Internet Archive offered a copyrighted book. And yes lots of public domain works you can get for a fee. But that's just a sign, not the ultimate determinant that its not public domain. But often the Archive may not say anything intelligible at all about the copyright, and that's what I would expect it to say in this case. If IA does say something to suggest it doesn't have a copyright, I will bring it to WS:COPYVIO for discussion if you like. ResScholar (talk) 06:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

ODAT: 23Oct44; A184003 RREG: Will Durant; 27Oct71; R515614.

This work was renewed in 1971. — George Orwell III (talk) 06:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I GIVE UP!!! Im not trying to yell at you guys, but cant you relax a bit on me? I really NEED to work on this book! Yeah, i get that it was renewed. But that was in 1971, which was nearly 40 YEARS ago! I NEED books to work on that are like this. Can you at least show me a big book or few that I could put on here? - Tannertsf (talk) 06:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Why not do the "Age of Faith" volume I suggested? ResScholar (talk) 06:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I will. I just still need more suggestions. - Tannertsf (talk) 06:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

How about vol. 7, "The Age of Reason Begins"? ResScholar (talk) 07:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

CMF vol. 1[edit]

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A couple of the Shakespeare plays you recently uploaded[edit]

Hi, sorry about this but the Yale editions of Cymbeline and Hamlet you uploaded recently had their copyright renewed in 1951 and 1975 respectively. As a result we can't host them, unfortunately. Do you want to tag them yourself with {{tl:sdelete|G6}} or I can if you would prefer that? The Index and Mainspace pages both need tagging.

The other three (Antony & Cleopatra; Coriolanus; and Julius Ceasar) are safe as they were published pre-1923, which is good as I've been wanting some scholarly editions of Shakespeare's plays on here - as well as the First Folio text - I just haven't had the time to work on finding them and then adding. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Statutes at large[edit]

Hi,

Can you Please hold off on creating any pages in Volumes 65 thru 80 until we have verified each volume is complete, without error and is aligned (see Volume 65 for an example of when a volume is ready to be approached for editing)? Thank you for this consideration. — George Orwell III (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: I am a galactic idiot. Thought I saw Volume 68 in 'Recent Changes' when in fact it was Volume 18 you had made some edits to. Sorry for the mistake and for jumping to conclusions without double checking first. — George Orwell III (talk) 01:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I was confused also. Lol. So which ones can I work on, and are there any just like the section I was editing? - Tannertsf (talk) 01:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I added the table of scans for volumes 1 to 44 (or so) to the Index page that you were working on. You can check for similar Acts as the Post_Roads one found in volume 18 but I don't believe anything like that was ever legislated again after that particular session of Congress (I may be wrong). Those volumes have been around for awhile so you can edit pretty much whatever you wish. It is the newly located Volumes 65 thru 80 that we ask you to avoid for a week or two until their fidelity has been verified 100%. — George Orwell III (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

User page note about number of users[edit]

Gday Tannertsf. I saw the following sentence in the opening line to your user page ...

I will have them work on my account and not get separate accounts. I also still do personal projects on here though, as the summer is free for me.

The general philosophy of Wikimedia is that user accounts are single user accounts, not shared, as indicated at w:WP:NOSHARE. Other users can edit from IP addresses successfully or from individual accounts. If they are going to be limited to a single work and from a tight(er) cluster of IP addresses, we can look to alternate means to monitor the pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Latin works to laWS[edit]

Saw that you had some of the works on the Commentaries that you have created local pages for the Latin language versions. There is a preferred way to do these works, and this enables a side by side comparison the Latin and English language versions. On the English version for the Latin pages we would use {{iwpage}} and vice versa. Then each language is transcribed to respective wikis, then we use the interwiki function to have each linked and side by side using the <=> function embedded in the Extension. I am not the interwiki expert though I am sure that we can get someone to assist if you would like. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok. My main goal is to do the index file and get it proofread, but I decided to transclude just to ... transclude. But I would gladly take help, if it means I can still work on this book/edition. - Tannertsf (talk) 15:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Actually, the normal way is to use {{iwpages}} to transclude across subdomains. I don't really like the method and prefer the work be transcribed in full, either in one wiki or split up and then imported to the other in full. Otherwise, the formatting of what was originally a unified work is broken between two different subdomains with different templates, different css, different rules and guidelines, even different scopes. Let me know if you have questions about this, I've been quite involved in this whole process. I'm also heavily involved at la.ws.--Doug.(talk contribs) 08:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

re:The Grateful Dead[edit]

Adding this work was a good idea, but it is no different to the machine read text at IA.org. I thought I would get around to it one day, but if you want to do it I will help. I recommend getting a good copy and proofreading the new text (just ignore the existing copy), this is easier than messing around with the alternative paths. When it is done I will merge the history of the pages.

I will poke around and see which is the cleanest copy and give my recommendation. Do you know how to upload the files, and create indexes, or would you like me start on that? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 00:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I do know how to upload and create the file, etc. Once you give me the one we should upload i'll be on it. - Tannertsf (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I just did a search, the link you gave at my page should be a good copy. There is another from the U. of Toronto, gratefuldeadhist00gerouoft, their scans are usually excellent. Let me know if you get stuck. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 00:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
P.S. The title appeared in this newly added article, Folk-Lore. Volume 9/Tobit and Jack the Giant-killer, have a look if you want to know what it is all about. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 01:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Re request for admin tools[edit]

Gday Tannertsf. Re your request, in my personal opinion, I think that it is a little early in your development at Wikisource to this point in time and I feel that you have more to learn before the greater access is given through the admin tools. There is a lot of good and bad that can be done onsite through admin tool use, and the bad through accidental misuse, which can be pretty ugly to recover. I haven't been watching your contributions and wanderings on site more recently, so can you explain what you think that you would do with the tools and where you would be using them. One of the things that I always look for in granting an admins tools is their the ability to know "where angels fear to tread" threshold, and I cannot tell where your threshold may be. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Index:thecambridgeancienthistory.pdf[edit]

Tannertsf, this work doesn't seem to be under copyright in Great Britain, but what about the United States? It's important to know whether a work is copyright in the U.S. when uploading scans first and foremost. There is a summary chart of U.S. copyright law through a link on the top of WS:COPYVIO, if you're not familiar with U.S. law. We can help you, but you have uploaded quite a lot of scans, and so are ultimately responsible for making sure a work is free, copyright-wise, to have an appropriate U.S. license. ResScholar (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Looking at a later volume it would seem to be published simultaneously in US, so it should be a case of checking for copyright renewal in the US. I have identified authors and their dates of life. All that said, why oh why are we having a PDF, they simply are make work and are not good for big collaborative works. We should be getting the djvu, either through direct production from the PDF or via upload to archive.org, and grabbing a derived file. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Those cities in your Internet Archive link refer to sister publishing locations, but were all books published by Cambridge University actually produced at those locations, or do we need to look at each work case by case? As for pdf vs. jpg, I will take your word for it, because filetypes is not my bag. I will move this discussion to WS:COPYVIO as it may not be answerable by mere mortals. In the mean time I will look for instantiation of a title page of this work with an American location on it, in case the question can be mooted in this way.ResScholar (talk) 04:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Tannertsf, we took a look at the reprints of this particular work, and based on circumstantial evidence, Billinghurst and I agree it is out of copyright and can be used-as can the other 1946 and earlier volumes. We will keep the nomination open for another two weeks, but this is as a formality so far as I can tell. But if you decide to process and proofread this work as part of your teaching project or otherwise, there are two other things to be aware of. One is that the license we expect to add can be revoked if it turns out, contrary to evidence, that the estates of the individual authors or the editors own the copyrights. The details of these circumstances can be found at this link where Billinghurst and I discussed what our research showed. Secondly, Billinghurst has asked that you redo the Commons upload with a .djvu instead of the .pdf format. He is one of the few people who edit here who have a firm grasp on the benefits and difficulties of the various formats, and is able to foresee when there will be a potential for problems with them. If you need help finding the file or making the switch, you can contact me on my talk page. And thanks for your help thus far with your projects here at Wikisource. ResScholar (talk) 03:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Okay Tannertsf, as you can see by the red link for the title of this section, your work has been translated to .djvu, as you requested. The File index is now at Index:Thecambridgeancienthistoryvol1.djvu. ResScholar (talk) 05:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you. - Tannertsf (talk) 05:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

  • What happened to the pdf and why on Earth are we so opposed to pdfs? Occasionally they are a problem, but the same can be said of DjVu. I can't find the file the index was based on even, was the file on Commons?--Doug.(talk contribs) 08:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I think that the pdf had some problems so the got rid of it and made a djvu file of it. - Tannertsf (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

States code reply[edit]

I left you a reply on my own talk page to keep the conversation in one place. LegalSkeptic (talk) 11:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

Sorry, was out of town - emergency time with old colleagues in Abbottabad last week you know ;) No, but I'm active again, much thanks for your help thisfar...looks like I have my work cut out for me! Movedcolor 01:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep...i agree on that. If you need any help just ask. - Tannertsf (talk) 01:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Speech of Lord Selborne on Marriage with a Deceased Wife's Sister and Marriage with a Deceased Wife's Sister, 1873 look like duplicates. Movedcolor (talk) 02:35, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

A few notes on some of your recent additions[edit]

Hi, I'm just working through the recent new pages in mainspace and have noticed that you've added quite a few new texts. There's some interesting stuff here and I'd be willing to help with validation of the texts later on as a break from music or children's novels. Just thought I'd drop you a line about a few things that will help people when using the texts.

  • I see that you're not adding previous and next links for sub-pages. These are really helpful for readers so that they can move on to the next chapter rather than going back to the main page and then jumping. I've done the links on Confederate Military History/Volume 12 for you to see what I mean. I've used relative links per {{Header/doc}} to simplify things. Have a look at WS:STYLE#Page Titles for a different explanation of relative links.
  • For A Short History of England, did you realise that you've created a whole new set of chapters when there are already a set of chapters with text in them? The two sets appear to be the same. If there is a text that's not backed by scans and the source of the text is not clear, we make sure that we're dealing with the same edition/version and then replace the first text with the transcluded text from the scans, once the scans are proofread.
  • I'm a little puzzled by the addition of Commentaries on the Gallic War (in Latin) given that this is the English Wikisource. I see that there is already a copy of [de bello Gallico] on the Latin Wikisource. You could check with User:Doug who lives in both enWS and laWS on whether they would like this edition in addition to what they've got.

I look forward to seeing all these new works progress through the system and appear on the Main Page as New Texts. They are a useful addition to our library. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

volumes box on index file[edit]

How do I get something like the US Statutes have on their pages that list all of the volume's in a box? I'm interested in doing one for Boston's list of residents, which has 180 volumes. - Tannertsf (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I threw something together for you, {{List_of_Boston_Residents_Scans}}, and added it to Index:List_of_residents_1.djvu. If you can't follow the premise (which is nothing more than a wikitable at its core), let me know. George Orwell III (talk) 23:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Since every ward has its own volume, i was looking for something like this: http://www.bpl.org/online/govdocs/city_of_boston_residents_1922-1930.htm. I'm thinking that to have a (Year) title and then have each Ward be given a number, which will be the link to the index file. I gave you the link so you could see the breakdown of them. - Tannertsf (talk) 01:52, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

updated to use years. Look at it again. George Orwell III (talk) 03:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you. - Tannertsf (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Outlines of European History[edit]

I've blanked Index:Outlines of European History.djvu as requested. Do you have a time frame in mind for work on this book? I may come back in a few months and undelete the pages again if nothing happens and I have no further information. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Work will start soon, but will be heavy June on. - Tannertsf (talk) 00:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Admin[edit]

You seem like a great contributor, and the lack of opposing votes at Wikisource:Administrators#User:Tannertsf indicates to me that you are respected member of the project that everyone would like to have stay around. You posted your nomination over 10 days ago and the only support vote is from a new member who has been active for less time then your nomination. Maybe it is not time yet for you to run for admin, have you considered withdrawing your nomination and deferring for a few months? JeepdaySock (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes I have. - Tannertsf (talk) 20:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I see you withdrew yourself[1], I will archive it as withdrawn. When you think you are ready to try again, contact myself or any of the Admins we would be happy to work with you on preparing for a second run for adminship. JeepdaySock (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Translations and Reprints from Original Sources of European History[edit]

If you plus this work, let me know - sounds like something I'd enjoy spending time doing. Movedcolor (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok. No problem. I will let you know. - Tannertsf (talk) 22:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

While we're discussing my awesomeness, I notice Page:Cihm 08810.djvu/7 has some Hebrew and Greek text at the top; do you know the template I would use to indicate that, or how/who to add it? Movedcolor (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No idea. Sorry. - Tannertsf (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Images for Outline of European History[edit]

Hi, just wondering if there's a reason to upload these images here rather than at Commons. We would only have an image on WS if there was a reason it couldn't be uploaded at Commons (copyright or some such). I also note that there are no license tags on the files. If you're getting them from the IA file (or scanning them from a copy you own) use the same license as you used for the book. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

No special reason...just easier. Could you make me a folder for the pictures on commons? I find commons is tough on me with some things. - Tannertsf (talk) 10:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

There's already a category on Commons for this: commons:Category:Outlines of European History. Blurpeace has done Figures 1, 2 & 3. Copy what s/he's put for the fields. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Uploads[edit]

I have proofread and finished six books and am making headway on the others, I wonder if you could upload the rest when you get a chance? Movedcolor (talk) 02:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yep. No problem. - Tannertsf (talk) 09:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Guatemala Book[edit]

Hi, the Guatemala book is now loaded at Index:Narrative of an Official Visit to Guatemala.djvu. I haven't put an automated running header on it as the page number and chapter number keep swapping sides on every page and the title is split between left and right pages. There is a request in to have different automatic headers for odd and even numbered pages implemented but I don't know where in the queue this is. Let's leave transcluding the chapters until they've been proofread at least. If you want to make a start on the proofreading, I'll follow along behind with validating. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Great plan and thank you. I assume we will use running header template? The letter (pages v-vi, or vi-vii) is proofread, but if you could add in the Sire, at the beginning of it and from I Am at the end of the letter (and all the parts of 2nd page after I Am) that would be great. - Tannertsf (talk) 13:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

epub[edit]

Hi, I replied on my talk page Candalua (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for adminship[edit]

If you haven't been informed yet, you have been nominated for adminship: Wikisource:Administrators#Tannertsf. I have two questions on that page to which, if you don't mind, I would like answers before giving a firm vote of support. Good luck. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hyphenated words across a page break[edit]

Hi, It looks like you haven't discovered the {{hws}} and {{hwe}} templates yet. They're used for dealing with the situation when a word is broked across a page break. Have a look at how I've done Page:Narrative of an Official Visit to Guatemala.djvu/160 and Page:Narrative of an Official Visit to Guatemala.djvu/161 for an example of how it works. The reason we do this, is that the transclusion leaves a blank space at the end of each page unless it's over-ridden.

For more tips on things that break across pages have a look at User:Beeswaxcandle/End of page notes. It's an early version of a future help page, but it may prove useful in the meantime.

Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Index:Magic (Ellis Stanyon).djvu[edit]

Hi, this book is ready to go when you are. I've put a note on the index talk page about where to find the images. If you haven't used it before, I suggest you have a look at the documentation for {{img float}}. Using this means that the text will flow around the images in a similar way to the printed text.

By the way, you are quite right about the tables in the back of Guatemala. One of them which was split across two pages was driving me nuts trying to get it to transclude properly. I've got it working now, but ...

Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC) Ok. I'm also working through the last pages on tables. Will definitely use the img float page. - Tannertsf (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Index:Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography Volume II.djvu[edit]

Maybe, but not at a very rapid pace. Don't forget there is a third job - transcluding the djvu into articles. Plus I have to decide what to do about Volume I - the raw djvu exceeds 100Mb and won't upload. Maybe I can find a tool to split it.--Laverock ( Talk ) 22:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Pace is no worry. I will not be able to help on the third job ... section transclusion (especially dictionary transclusion), is definitely not my thing. - Tannertsf (talk) 22:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

header tag.[edit]

i can't get it to work. --Skylark92 (talk) 13:36, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Just hold on - Im figuring something out okay? - Tannertsf (talk) 13:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

sure thing take as much time as you need. --Skylark92 (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

thank you so much. --Skylark92 (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Roman History[edit]

This: Roman History appears to be the same text (compare Page:Roman History of Ammianus Marcellinus.djvu/13 with Roman History/Book XIV). Shall we match and split it?--Doug.(talk contribs) 10:00, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but you would have to do the m & s, since i'm not good with it. I had been thinking about putting those two together (I saw the original and figured it needed an upgrade), so thanks for mentioning. - Tannertsf (talk) 12:14, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting, what do you want to do with the footnotes? Do you plan to a) transcribe them all, b) transcribe none, or c) transcribe them but set up two copies of the work, one without footnotes? I don't think option c is necessary here since these are the translator's footnotes and it wouldn't be easy, but it is an option. If c is your choice I will handle things a little differently. Personally, I'd choose a as the footnotes are integral to the English translation, but I probably won't have much time to transcribe and I don't know how much time you've got. Let me know because I'll probably do a few pages as I work the beginnings and ends of sections.--Doug.(talk contribs) 13:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

A is my favorite, but hold on please if your talking about proofreading - i'm working on this book differently than usual. I've got a system I'm using to work on this book. You can go ahead and match & split, and all of that, but can you save the proofreading for me and my system?

  • Sure, though I've done a little bit on the first page (/13) and will have to work a bit on the pages where a section divides since those won't split properly. I will just set those up the way that looks best to me based on what I've seen here and elsewhere and you can change it how you like. BTW, do you have any interest in working on latin works? If so, the Latin Wikisource needs you! :-) --Doug.(talk contribs) 14:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i'm ok if you go through and format, just don't do proofreading. If you directed me to a book and gave me English instructions, I would be glad to work on Latin books. Just send them mw way! - Tannertsf (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Doug - I feel like what you have done with page 13 is good, except for the linking for the section headings. I just don't prefer that, as I believe people can find their own way around. - Tannertsf (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Although I'm not sure I agree with you entirely about no links from the toc, I don't like that particular format either and would prefer html anchors. I simply copied what's there from the mainspace. I particularly don't like the <code>==Heading X==</code> method as it makes centering difficult to impossible. I'll change it, possibly using my bot, later today if I can, though I'm not sure how much time I'm going to have and I want to get the match and split done as far as possible. Not sure how long it will take me to set up all the headings, how fast and how far do you expect to go at a time? Do you need the whole work set up before you begin?--Doug.(talk contribs) 15:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Great plan. - Tannertsf (talk) 15:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Yes and no. Yes because my system kind of does a moderately fast sweep through the book, followed by another, and another, etc. No, because you could always format around my sweeps, which will focus on the text more than formatting. - Tannertsf (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

  • OK, let me focus purely on the match and split and not on the formatting at all then. Try to ignore formatting issues as much as possible for now, I'll run some formatting scripts that won't mess with the text content and we'll work out what's best for a TOC and Chapter header system when we can. I put in the first footnote just to see how it looked but I don't plan to do others.--Doug.(talk contribs) 15:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Tannertsf, uh, I don't think you're proofreading method is really suited to this situation. We had the entire work and just needed to match it to the scans. Once matched and split they are fully transcluded so we probably need to take down the work because you are removing the transcluded text! Take a look here: Roman History/Book XIV. This was a great text for match and split but not if you were going to do this to it. Also, since we already had the work your method doesn't really seem efficient. Consider [2] or [3]. Your system may work fine for a work that is not already in the mainspace, where you can work on it in pagespace with out affecting what people can see in the normal run of things. I recommend you choose another work, one that is not transcluded.--Doug.(talk contribs) 08:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Fine. Just wanted to do this for a book I like. People on wikisource don't understand - you don't have to have books perfect and completed quickly all of the time. Tannertsf (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

  • It's not so much about completing it quickly, it is about choosing a book we don't have (or don't have the edition you want) and working on it at your own pace. The problem here is that we already had the text (without the footnotes) from the very same edition. Match and Split was obviously the answer but will still need proofreading, but if you proofread your way on a matched and split text, the mainspace article is not in good shape in the interim. If you really want to do this work, I just ask you proofread it the usual way. If you really want to use your proofreading method, please pick a text that we don't have or that we don't have your favorite edition of. Then you can work at it however quickly or slowly you want in pagespace. I wish I had realized this problem before, but I had forgotten that you had this unique way of proofreading, which I'm actually quite curious about. If you help me identify another work you are interested in then I could help you get it set up and then leave you to do your thing. It seems that your method might be ideally suited to a work that has good images but crappy OCR. Just delete the OCR and go. What do you think?--Doug.(talk contribs) 13:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah i'm good with that. I'll pick one, then send the IA link to you? - Tannertsf (talk) 13:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I saw your comment on Scriptorium today about Cicero. What proofreading method are you thinking of using? Again, I don't think your special method is suitable for Match and Split texts as it results in undoing everything the Match and Split has done. More than happy to set it up for you though. I'll look for scans tonight.--Doug.(talk contribs) 06:36, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I don't plan on using my method since we have Cicero's stuff, just not backed by an index yet. - Tannertsf (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Table[edit]

Hoping you don't mind... I noticed the table you were creating in your sandbox, and I am taking the liberty to copy your formatting for the table I'm trying to create... It's simple and sortable. So thanks—you've actually helped me out with it after all! And copying is what I do best! Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem! Glad to help. - Tannertsf (talk) 21:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

PSM List[edit]

Hi. I've placed all the existing titles in one table but this won't work because it's too large. Tomorrow, I will test with 10 volumes at a time, but now, it's very late, Take care.— Ineuw talk 08:32, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


Sandbox contents moved here[edit]

May 1872[edit]

Title Author (Translator) Volume Progress
The Study of Sociology I Herbert Spencer 1 Validated


Ineuw's comment: Your table is fine and my changes were applied only to the first line because I am not sure what you wished me to do. So, your clarifications are most welcome.— Ineuw talk 00:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

What I'm trying to do is make a list of all titles in the PSM issues, and some key info on them. Should I add anything? - Tannertsf (talk) 00:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, now I think I know what you want. The table columns are fine. Also, I can give or prepare you all the data, as I have it in on my desktop. Also, article titles and some author names are longer than the above defined columns, so they'll wrap. I set the columns according to my monitor which is the old style CRT at 1024 x 768 pixels. — Ineuw talk 01:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 


PSM progression by months[edit]

I placed a sample HERE, please copy and modify it to your liking and let me know your decision on the layout. There are several items to be considered, and I may not have covered all issues. If so, I will return to this post and add them to the list below.

  1. Inserting the titles in a table row doesn't work for me. So, each month has to be placed in a separate table.
  2. It's best you determine the column widths and the status bar width beforehand, so that I can code it. This will save you a lot of time. Status bar data has to be entered by you. I can only provide 0 values.
  3. The location of the sub pages and the breakdown of the list is your choice and you have to create them where you want. I will generate one list of the tables and the breakdown is up to you.

I hope this helps and if you have any questions you know where to find me. :-) — Ineuw talk 20:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I love it. I'm okay with how everything looks. Progress bar width = 200. Let me know whenever you have coded a table as an example for me. Thanks for all the help meanwhile. - Tannertsf (talk) 20:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The final design with two months is in the above link. It's an hour since you posted your message which I didn't notice until now because I closed my email. So, please check it again and let me know.

P.S: Also check the column order please.— Ineuw talk 21:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

This one also looks good. I definitely like it. Column order is good. - Tannertsf (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


Rule Segment - Span - 40px.svg Rule Segment - Span - 40px.svg Rule Segment - Flare Left - 12px.svg Rule Segment - Span - 5px.svg Rule Segment - Circle - 6px.svg Rule Segment - Span - 5px.svg Rule Segment - Flare Right - 12px.svg Rule Segment - Span - 40px.svg Rule Segment - Span - 40px.svg


Yes check.svg Done

You will find all the currently existing titles in your Sandbox.— Ineuw talk 22:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. But can you make it in actual tables? My computer won't load it good enough to save it. - Tannertsf (talk) 23:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

One cannot make all articles into a single web page. It's too large. You have to decide on your own how many volumes you wish to place on a page. Each volume is about 110 to 115 articles. My

sample contains 2 volumes of about 225 articles. When you decided on your breakdown, you have to create your own sub pages, or reuse the existing ones. 5 volumes = ~ 550=570 articles. All you have to do is copy the range of volumes from the sandbox into the sub page, without the codes. Save it and it'll be all there. Unfortunately, I haven't the time to do it because I must leave for awhile. — Ineuw talk 23:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I see. Thanks for the help. - Tannertsf (talk) 23:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Just returned and checked our earlier effort of the breakdowns by 10 volumes per page. It opens very slowly. I recommend no more that 4 volumes max. Try before you finalize, and then create the the new subpages accordingly. For this, I strongly recommend to create an additional 2 Sandboxes with different volume counts. Additionally, as an example, look at the PSM Multi part article page which has ~550 articles. Another good example is the PSM Authors' pages alphabetically broken down for the same reason. It was originally designed for ~300 author records per page. As the number of articles and authors increase, I will have to reorganize them. In your case, this is not a concern because the count is done. I hope this helps your plans. — Ineuw talk 01:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
PS: Take into consideration that the Status bars slow a page down considerably.01:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

My plan is to do 1 page for every year. Easy to load that way. Thanks for those tips. I'm going to go through it manually just because that's what I'm best at. - Tannertsf (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

A best choice. :-) If you have any questions - just ask. — Ineuw talk 01:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Volume 6[edit]

Hi, I just found this page in the Mainspace. I've moved it to User:Tannertsf/Volume 6 as it seems to belong there better. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

PSM V92 Page 55 images are on the Commons[edit]

I uploaded the images for that page.— Ineuw talk 18:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Asking for deletions - if you wish to clean up info no longer needed.[edit]

Hi. I noticed you did some cleanup. On your page, I created these five folders containing PSM article titles. If you wish these folders and their contents to be deleted, all you need to do is put the following template at the top line of each folder and one of the admins will remove them when they have the chance:

{{db|No longer needed.~~~~}}

db stands for "Delete because"

PSM Volume 1 to 10
PSM Volume 11 to 20
PSM Volume 21 to 30
PSM Volume 31 to 40
PSM Volume 41 to 50 <- 41 to 46 and 68

PSM Volume 51 to 60
PSM Volume 61 to 70
PSM Volume 71 to 80
PSM Volume 81 to 90

Once they are gone, the text will change to red (not existent), and you can remove the folder names yourself:

When you want just ask and I will generate you a new list. I hope this helps. — Ineuw talk 19:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does. Thanks! - Tannertsf (talk) 20:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Now you can edit your page and remove all the red text which points to non-existent pages.— Ineuw talk 23:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Just did that task. - Tannertsf (talk) 23:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


m dash[edit]

  • Tannertsf, why is it that we connect the m dash between words (Products—Her..........Population—Political) when it makes the text look bad? Often it would look better if the m dash were not connected to words such as Products — Her Population — Political.


  • Your user page shows that you are "a teacher in real life." What do you teach?


  • Are you going to assist on the Southern Historical Society volumes that you asked me about?


Thank you for all that you do on Wikisource, —William Maury Morris II Talk 14:38, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't connect them, and don't know why others do. I teach history in a pseudo-online classroom. I also am a "collector" of historical books for my school's library. Basically, I am an in and out teacher/assistant at my school. I do plan on assisting with the SHS soon. - Tannertsf (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't connect them either when they will make the text look bad. I also am a collector of history books circa 1800s. Typically I like historical _explorations_ and often this will be about the navy. Thank you for answering my questions. Best regards, —William Maury Morris II Talk 15:59, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Let me make a clarification; when I stated that I don't connect the m dash I was writing about those instances, as in table of contents, where it "stretches" the text — spaces words in a book so far apart that it looks absurd as in the example I gave. Indeed, there are many, if not most times, where I do use the m dash within the book's text body.—William Maury Morris II Talk 15:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Benjamin's Treatise on the Law of Sale of Personal Property[edit]

As requested, the book is now available here: Index:Benjamins Treatise 1888.djvu. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! - Tannertsf (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Removing of old PSM data[edit]

Hi. I removed the article title lists from User:Ineuw/Sandbox8. If you decide to renew your work with the PSM progress displays, let me know, and I will recreate them — Ineuw talk 19:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

PSM images on the Commons[edit]

Hi. I noticed that you have uploaded some images to the commons, and sorry to say that they are not acceptable for several reasons:

  1. Improperly named.
  2. Very low quality.
  3. Yellow.
  4. Infobox information is incorrect.
  5. Missing categories.

THIS PAGE has instructions where to get the correct images, how to name them and how to process them. If you need help, please contact me and I will gladly explain and demonstrate.— Ineuw talk 03:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

PS: Replaced the images and I realize that the process is a very long one and unfortunately it can't be a collaborative effort, meaning that we can't edit the same image, but must upload another. FYI, the image originals are poor in all volumes, partially due to the technology of the times, but more the result of Appleton's holding down publication costs. ...And for what it's worth, your proofreading is great. Thanks.— Ineuw talk 07:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Premature creation of main ns pages[edit]

Hi. I feel you are doing a good job with proofreading and with your effort of bringing in valuable books on WS. Though I think that premature page creation in the main namespace can mislead readers. See for example The Iliad of Homer, the reader might think this is a complete work as everything is blue. Red links in a TOC might be acceptable as it attracts readers to proofread but on the other side a mass of redlinks will confuse the reader once he will start reading. There is no right or wrong but it boils down in finding the right balance between the different needs. If you feel the need of having parts of the work transcluded, you can always do it in your User space and move it once it is complete. Pls give a thought on this and on how to manage the different stages your work, keeping in mind the end user perspective of your effort. Bye --Mpaa (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree it can, which is why I just recently started to put them in my sandbox. Sorry about the Iliad one being there. I just am not like other people, who do their book in a few weeks. I can't stay focused on one book for too long, especially the Iliad. - Tannertsf (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Good Worker[edit]

You have done a lot of good work! I have not read all that you have worked on but I have looked at the work you have done on various books. I have just finished looking at what you did on the Southern Historical Society Papers and that is excellent work. All in all, you are a very precise worker. I just wanted to stop by and tell you that there is always someone who appreciates you and your work. Kind regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris II Talk 05:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: File:Gettysburg, 1863.jpg[edit]

Hi. Can you provide the source URL of this image you uploaded? I am trying to move it to the commons but it's rejecting it, probably because of the missing URL. "United States Marine Corps" is insufficient. Thanks.— Ineuw talk 18:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I got it from here: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/service_pubs/mcdp1_3.pdf - hope this helps. Haven't dealt with this book in a long time. - Tannertsf (talk) 18:18, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, this ought to help in the transfer. — Ineuw talk 19:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


Message from Movedcolor[edit]

I finished Letters in Favour of a Repeal of the Law which Prohibits Marriage with the Sister of a Deceased Wife is it possible to go on the front page? Movedcolor (talk) 04:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

If you go to new texts there should be an add button. It will give you instructions, if you don't understand them talk to an admin.

I assumed you had disappeared. - Tannertsf (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Replies to your Scriptorium thread[edit]

In March you started this thread on Scriptorium. I wanted to make sure you knew there had been responses.--Doug.(talk contribs) 08:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Popular Science Monthly[edit]

Hi. I just stopped by to say hello and a thank you for your contributions to the PSM project. :-) — Ineuw talk 15:58, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


Tannertsf, "Has Come Home"[edit]

Tannertsf, please come back to Wikisource or at least contact me via e-mail which is shown on my email page. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Tannertsf! It's wonderful to find that you are back home! When you left I and AdamBMorgan were sad to see you go and we both said so in the open. I stated it and then AdamBMorgan stated that he missed you and wished you had not left too. You asked me about anything you could help with so here goes. Please look at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Abraham_Lincoln_address_%281909%29.djvu and notice the Title is red. The book is not transcluded. It is less that 50 pages. Would you please remedy these two things? Again, it's wonderful to know you have come back home. I never knew anything about your daughter. I thought that alias was a guy. I am older than you and I very much miss having my sons to play with like little cub bears. I miss that a lot. They have their own families now and stay so busy I often feel left out. Well, anyhow, I am very glad you came back.

Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 03:21, 12 January 2014 (UTC) Glad to know I was missed - a lot of times it felt like my work was stuff no one cared about. I will work on the Lincoln transclusion soon. - Tannertsf (talk) 04:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I think a lot of people feel like that. I know I do. Sometimes I wonder. "why do this any longer" There seems to be no feedback nor praise in most of the works we do here. However, there really is. The "proofread of the month" with its little "awards" is feedback and praise for me. There often is no help here and that bothers me but then again there is help here. One can get a certain feeling and focus upon it and that person will keep seeing the same thing. I focus upon the book as feedback for myself once it gets completed by me or with help from someone else. You were here and knew what you were doing when I came here. I recall you asking me to "validate" some pages and now I can tell you that I had no idea what "validating a book meant" I didn't want to state that and show my ignorance at that time. It had nothing to do with you and I didn't know you at that time. I did see you asked administrators to (I think it was) start a new and often long book for you asap and someone asked why you so often where in a hurry to start another book when your previous book was not finished. That was a valid question for them. You stated something to the effect that you don't work that way that you went from one book to another and back again. I do that even now but I don't have to ask anyone. I learned how to bring books here myself. I keep several books going at a time but I keep working even though I go from one to another. I get them all completed over time. It's simply that I love diversity when working with books. I go from one topic to another but still I do get them completed as far as I am allowed. I cannot validate my own books so I have to ask another just as you did with me. However, the completion of a good book here has to be, to a great extent, all of the praise one needs. Work on any book you like but the praise comes from also working on the proofread of the month and collecting awards -- as if they are badges of honor because that is exactly what they are. Meanwhile the completion of your personal book is a silent badge of honor. Too, generations behind us will see what their gggg-grandfather did for God knows how many generations. They expect they will be inspired towards education and not just games. As they get older and more mature they will know games are not as of as much value as a solid education. They will view their ancestry here as a pioneer in education. It will be an inspiration because out of all of the descendants any person has there are those who care about such things as family and history and often there are people interested in genealogy who look for things their ancestry did, worthy things. We cannot expect to be praised or looked up to here by aliases and people we don't know. These are some of the things why I use my full and real name. I fully intend to get credit for every book I complete and whatever I do. I refuse to become an unknown alias. —Maury (talk) 04:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

Hi, please let me add my welcome back as well. I too have missed you and I kept Index:The Mediaeval Mind Vol 1.djvu pretty much where it was when we paused in the hope that you would return. I finished Chapter X so that it could be transcluded, but left the rest.

The other project of yours that I've been working on is History of England (Froude). You had made a start on Volume 1. When looking at it, I got hooked and I've worked through to the end of Volume 5. I've paused for the moment, partly to work on other things and partly because I can't find a copy of Volume 6 to work on. Volumes 7 to 11 are available, but 6 and 12 don't seem to be around—which is frustrating as Volume 6 covers the transition from Mary to Elizabeth and I want to read them in order. Oh, yes, I've also proofread Froude's supplementary volume Index:Divorce of Catherine of Aragon.djvu.

The major things that have happened in your absence is that we can now enter music and there is now a Translations: namespace for Wikisource translations. I can't think of anything else to tell you at present, other than to reiterate the welcome. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! I loved Medieval Mind, and it was the best side-by-side work I have done on Wikisource. It will be great to get that going again. - Tannertsf (talk) 04:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
THANK YOU FOR FIXING THAT LINCOLN BOOK! Beeswaxcandle's Music transciprions? are awesome! We can now hear music that has not been played for lord only knows how long -- once again like New! He even did this on a book on Mexico that had a lot of music notes and it is amazing to hear that music from the long ago and probably forgotten Sounds of Music. Click on it and it plays music that once pleased many a heart and people danced to! It's like something from the Twilight Zone. —Maury (talk) 05:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Tannertsf, since you offered, I will ask. Will you please validate the few pages here and Transclude this work on Matthew Fontaine Maury? It has sat there for a long time now, and as you might expect, with nobody helping even by validating the short work. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Matthew_Fontaine_Maury_1806-1873.pdf

Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 05:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Tannertsf, thank you for validating those pages on Matthew Fontaine Maury. When that work is completed tell me what you would like for me to help you with. We can help each other. Kindest regards, Maury

No problem. I am planning to work next on The Medieval Mind with Beeswaxcandle. - Tannertsf (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Just remembered[edit]

Just remembered something else to tell you. That book on Magic (Magic (Ellis Stanyon)) we worked on together was featured on the Mainpage in July 2013. This means that not only was it an interesting work for us to do, it was also considered by the enWS community to be "among the most complete and highest quality works in Wikisource." Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

That's great! I am glad we chose that book - it was very interesting to read as we did it. - Tannertsf (talk) 12:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

A Colonial Wooing[edit]

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Hi again, tannertsf. I've just gone through and validated the Introduction for A Colonial Wooing. The only thing I noticed that you might want to keep an eye out for and/or remember to do is that when the paragraph ends at the end of a page, it needs to be followed by the {{nop}} template on a new line. This will force a new paragraph in the main namespace. Otherwise, great work! Mukkakukaku (talk) 02:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good. Will do that from now on. It is an interesting read so far, as well as not being too hard to proof! - Tannertsf (talk) 10:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)