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Please help start a list of text that need to be proofread. Larger text are preferred because we hope to have a large group of people working on the text of the month. Here is a great place to start looking for text to be proofread.

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[edit] A list of potential PotM candidates

On the transcription project, there is a good list of text that are ready to be proofread. That list is available here. This list continues to grow so it would be great if we could knock it down. --Mattwj2002 11:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc

I would like to suggest Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc, A large classical work of over 500 pages. Jeepday (talk) 11:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I support this nomination and will work on it. I suggest using hair spaces around the em dashes (using template:—) and using typographical quotation marks/apostrophes (“ ” ‘ ’). See this page for an example. Psychless 00:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I also support it. This work is ranked 16th on google:"Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc". Perhaps with a bit of work we can increase that ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 06:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Since there is already a human proofread version of it ([1]), I support On the Vital Principle for October. Psychless 19:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Proofreed - Euclid (Todhunter)

Formally requesting that the Todhunter Euclid that was located be the POTM for January:

Index:The Elements of Euclid for the Use of Schools and Colleges - 1872.djvu

I've been working on this myself, but would appreciated someone to assist in diagram creation, typsetting and validation..

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

My only concern with choosing this text is that many of the pages require the additon of images. This is a relatively complex task which may be too much to expect for proofreaders. What do others think? Would it be possible to put a step by step guide for adding images on the Index talk page (ie. get image from page, crop, name blah blah blah, load to this category in commons, etc.) Suicidalhamster (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
How many images are there? I will be happy to help a little but I can't do much.---Zyephyrus (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Well it probably averages over one per page. The book proper starts on page 25 and page 26 needs 4 images and the pages following need: 2, 8, 2, 0, 1, 1, 2, 1. Hopefully that gives you some idea. Suicidalhamster (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes it does, thank you, Suicidalhamster. I don't think I can help much for the how-to, but I think I can try and do some images, if not alone to do it. ---Zyephyrus (talk) 20:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


[edit] PotM June 2009?

Any ideas? --Zyephyrus (talk) 12:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I have found two tools with which editing has been far easier than it was before. --Zyephyrus (talk) 09:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I think just pick something? I've no personal preference... Jude (talk) 12:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

While I have some of my favourites, one of these four volumes may be of interest ...

Found it and uploaded on a whim. There is no base page for them yet. :-/ billinghurst (talk) 14:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, interesting :) --Zyephyrus (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

or this is a quirky book ...

-- billinghurst (talk) 14:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that the Dictionary of Music and Musicians is a useful book and it would be a useful work to do; Omnibuses and cabs on the other hand are pleasant and easier to work on so I'd like to chose it too... so, both choices are good for me. Which one do you prefer? --Zyephyrus (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I love quirky and would like to see how we go with Index:Omnibuses and Cabs.djvu. Interesting to watch what happens with the response to the quirky. Music and Musicians can be in the mix for a later period, and I think would better be served by having some information and support behind it. -- billinghurst (talk) 21:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I second the vote for Omnibuses and Cabs. Sounds awesome! Jude (talk) 04:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)Yes check.svg Done


[edit] PotM July 2009?

Do we want to do Index:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu for July? It has a level of complexity, and may be one of those works that sits around, though it may be good for drumming up some interest.

Otherwise, I have a whole backlog selected for eventual contribution at archive.org bookmarks. I have also recently uploaded File:The Life of Thomas Linacre.djvu though haven't done an index page yet. -- billinghurst (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There are lots of possible choices in your list. For instance I'd like this one but there are lots of possibilities as well. --Zyephyrus (talk) 01:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
or more detailed and with nice images this one. --Zyephyrus (talk) 01:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I personally like Index:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu for July. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 05:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Index:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu is ok for me. --Zyephyrus (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions for August 2009

Thought that it would be nice to compile a list of potentials early in the month. So please add below those that you would like considered.

One or the other, as you wish: I like both! --Zyephyrus (talk) 19:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
NOT FAIR! I think that the latter is sexier, and achievable for the month, and the former is of personal benefit. Someone else can have an opinion too -- billinghurst (talk) 22:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Index:The English Constitution (1894).djvu is somewhat topical, I believe, in that Bagehot suggested that the legal apparatus should be wheeled out of the House of Lords; and they are just about to do this at long last. Anyway Bagehot is good value, and should have an author page at least ... Charles Matthews (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Author page started Yes check.svg Done -- billinghurst (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Does a book exist about singing a Constitution in a church? ;-) If there is no such book we will have to choose. Which one is the most different from the previous ones?
Omnibuses and Cabs by Henry Charles Moore - A Brief History of Modern Philosophy by Harald Høffding - Fables of Aesop and other eminent mythologists by Roger L'Estrange - Popular Science Monthly #86 (1915) by Various Authors - Lays of Marie de France by Marie de France. - Our American Holidays - Christmas (1907) by Robert Haven Schauffler. - Poems (1890) by Emily Dickinson. - On the Vital Principle (1855) by Aristotle. - The Pilgrim Cookbook (1921) by Pilgrim Ladies' Aid Society - - Equitation by Henry L. de Bussigny - The Wind in the Willows by Kenneth Grahame
The Constitution one seems more different, don't you think so? I would suggest this one first, and keep the other two for next months. What do you think of this idea? --Zyephyrus (talk) 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Always nice to have historical documents. -- billinghurst (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I think my preference would be for the constitution book too, seems an attainable length too. Jarry1250 (talk) 11:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] September 2009

What do we want to do for September, it is almost here?--BirgitteSB 02:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

There were a couple of nominations left over from August. Either suits me, though my juvenile vote is for One Hundred English Folksongs (1916)' (as above) - cute and manageable, broader appeal. Happy to go and grab it billinghurst (talk) 04:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I would enjoy working on One Hundred English Folksongs. For all of the songs only about a few minutes is required for each one to proofread it, so it's definitely doable for the month of September.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 13:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Extra thought. The work does have a whole lot of the bars and notes, so we can only do the words unless we have a better means of reproducing the musical notation. That may put some off. Anyway, I have uploaded it to Commons, and created the Index page at Index:One Hundred English Folksongs (1916).djvu.-- billinghurst (talk) 06:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
That should teach me to not peruse the actual file. That seems extremely tricky to do, especially since nothing like Lilypond is actually enabled here on WS. I personally think we'd have a more successful PotM if we got a work that didn't require typesetting features we currently aren't equipped to handle.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 23:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion. That we work on the text, get it to proofed stage, and we can come back and worry about the music at a later time. The only issue comes down to how well we can OCR (probably badly) and whether a TYPING PotM is acceptable. -- billinghurst (talk) 03:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
River Tarnell (IRC nick flyingparchment) suggested that if we were to consider sheet music that the extensions mw:Extension:ABC may be more to our cup of tea. Also made the following quote billinghurst (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
“ btw, Cecil Sharp censored most of his work for publication - if you add that, you might want to look for his private works where he wrote down the real words for the songs. ”
Hm, that's one suggestion. And not a bad one. I could go for proofing text now and then adding music later. Would the ABC extension be able to typeset all the music on the sheet or does it have limitations that would prevent it? (I just don't know how fully featured ABC is compared to other typesetting software.)—Zhaladshar (Talk) 12:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
ABC's been available for months though. If they haven't enabled it by now, who knows if they ever will. I tend to think that is dev was willing make it live; we would have already. I think this work is not desirable to do without music notation available.--BirgitteSB 00:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
How about we bump Songs until we can approach it with fuller information. Correspondingly, I believe that the only existing other nomination for September is Index:Notes on the churches in the counties of Kent, Sussex, and Surrey.djvu -- billinghurst (talk) 00:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, this seems to be the best solution for me too. We'll take the songs later when we have further information about the music transcription; for now, welcome to Kent, Surrey and Sussex churches! --Zyephyrus (talk) 07:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] October 2009

For the next PotM (October 2009), I would like to propose we do the text Old-Time Recipes for Home Made Wines Cordials and Liqueurs. It is a short text and appears pretty easy to do, so hopefully we could complete it in a month. It also has a great root beer recipe in it. What do you guys think? Anyways, that is my 2 cents. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 06:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Birgitte and Matt have been bold and imposed their choice upon us. -- billinghurst (talk) 10:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, a pleasant choice :) --Zyephyrus (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Slightly roguish suggestion for November

Looking at the number of pages that we have proofread, and not validated, I would like for us to consider picking ten works that we would like to have further completed to get from Category:Proofread to Category:Validated Call it a catch up month.-- billinghurst (talk) 10:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree Billinghurst. There are lots of works out there that are Proofread but need to be Validated. I think your idea of a 'catch up month' sounds like a good idea. Angelprincess72 (talk) 14:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Alternatively, things that look quirky that we have already are

-- billinghurst (talk) 11:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Then again there is this one that Zhal may like A book of nursery rhymes : being Mother Goose's melodies arranged in the order of attractiveness and interest (1901) billinghurst (talk)
I love that little nursery rhymes book, but I think the number of pictures will make that book a pain to do. I actually think it might be a good idea to do a clean up month and get some indices validated. Since we've had some trouble finishing a larger works, I've picked some short works that I think we could do:
—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have selected eight titles and they are on a three hourly rotation. As we start to put them away, we can put in other options from Special:IndexPages

{{#switch: {{#expr:{{CURRENTHOUR}}/3 round 0}}
| 1 = [[Index:The Martyrdom of Ferrer.djvu|The Martyrdom of Ferre]]
| 2 = [[Index:The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - copy D.djvu|The Marriage of Heaven and Hell]]
| 3 = [[Index:The Idea of Progress.djvu|The Idea of Progress]]
| 4 = [[Index:The Origins of Totalitarianism.djvu|The Origins of Totalitarianism]]
| 5 = [[Index:Plato or Protagoras.djvu|Plato or Protagoras]]
| 6 = [[Index:A study in scarlet.djvu|A study in scarlet]]
| 7 = [[Index:Transactions of the Geological Society, 1st series, vol. 2.djvu|Transactions of the | 1  Geological Society, 1st series, vol. 2]]
| 8 = [[Index:Index:MKGandhi patriot.djvu|M. K. Gandhi]]
}}

I have prepared the files, we just need to reinstate

when we are agreed and ready to go. billinghurst (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, with pleasure --Zyephyrus (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Sounds great.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 16:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
As a note in response, we have already completed at least one work and by 2 Nov., and I have had the pleasure of modifying the rotation already ... +1 / -1. billinghurst (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
and another completed, rotation modified billinghurst (talk) 02:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
and another (see below) billinghurst (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
This work Documents from the Den of Espionage was added to the rotation. I have removed it as the general proosal was to work upon fully proofread works, and not to work upon not proofread. I would suggest that we could probably add this work as something for a future PotM. billinghurst (talk) 07:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Mea culpa, I misunderstood validation/proofread - we can do it for December or something instead, my mistake. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 17:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Additional

Smaller works worth of adding

One page remaining at Index:The Myth of Occams Razor.djvu Yes check.svg Done

I will look at a better means to continue this, though at a lower level. billinghurst (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A nominee to be added to the mix?

May I request that Index:Fair Circumvention.djvu (50pp) be added to the rotation at some point? It does not have to be this month, but I am giving a talk at a legal education conference in January that will refer to it and direct readers to this source, so having at least a few pages reach Validated status by that point would be very useful. Tarmstro99 (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done

[edit] Formatting question

In general, for this text, is it preferable to use Small caps for the last names, as done in this validated page, or regular MAJUSCULE, as done here? Thanks, Wrelwser43 (talk) 06:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

As per the look of the page. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, I have run a script through the page and corrected it. Shhhh! We want say how many iterations I had to go through to get it right. <eyeroll> billinghurst (talk) 07:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

For any subsequent readers, the answer for this project is: Small caps. (Thanks, Billinghurst for the fixup!)

[edit] Three pages to go and some Greek characters

I am pulling Index:Plato or Protagoras.djvu from the rotation as there are only three pages to go, and two of them have Greek characters and someone with some nous can have a go. billinghurst (talk) 10:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal for Dec 2009 POTM

Documents seized from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran - they're all PD-USGovt, and it'd be great to put these together. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 22:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Before we did anything, would it be possible to get it as a DjVu, and OCR'd? -- billinghurst (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Both done, some pages even proofed, though it still needs a lot of work. We good for this for December? Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 00:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Where is the DJVU file? I think this would be a good serious project for POTM. I'd prefer a more jovial theme for December ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 09:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I still would like to go with A Christmas Faggot and this one was signed for Oscar Wilde. billinghurst (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Alternatively John suggested to finish Index:Our American Holidays - Christmas.djvu billinghurst (talk) 10:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Good point, definitely a Christmas theme is a good idea for December. Index:Documents from the Den of Espionage.djvu for January, perhaps. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 20:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Principia proofreading versus the bots?

A note to say that I just did a part-proof-read and correct of Principia section 1.12. The comparison text is the printed version of 1729. There are some non-modern things (spelling, punctuation, use of apostrophes) in the original, and I've kept to the original forms in the proofreading corrections. Is there any risk that a bot will revert them to modernized form? How to protect against that? With good wishes, Terry0051 (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

We don't run bots for spelling errors, so it should be okay. We occasionally run bots under controlled conditions for OCR errors, however, they are things like tiie for the. Thanks for your efforts and your interest. Welcome. billinghurst (talk) 21:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PotM Adding Text To Be Validated Proposal

How do you guys feel about replacing the spot where we currently have last month's text shown with a text to be validated? Since the validated text idea has been such a success we were thinking about continuing that. How does everyone feel about this? This would show up with the PotM template and the Collaboration template. This would really help to get are validated text count up. Please share your views on this. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 08:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A good text for a PotM

Hi guys, I would like to suggest doing Index:The Time Machine.djvu because it is a featured but we don't have a proofread djvu file for this text. It is a classic text and one of the best H. G. Wells' works. What do you guys think? This might not work for December because of Christmas but what do you guys think of this for January? --Mattwj2002 (talk) 04:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

For Steamy goodness I'll always prefer 20,000 Leagues to Journey/Machine, but I'm sure I'm game for 5-10 pages anyways. And frankly, I'd consider the idea of getting rid of "Featured" texts in the traditional sense and using "Validated Texts" instead; so it's one category, not two. To be "featured" you have to be validated. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 23:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The version of TM that Matt brought in does not align with our version. :-( So I am not in favour of this proposal until we have sorted the nitty-gritty. I am also not in favour of making a second version of an existing text as PotM. Also, with TV's new match and split technology, I think that we have a better means for handling works that exist on WS without scans. billinghurst (talk) 23:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] For Dec PotM

I picked an existing work about Handel by Romain Rolland, as it has a fair bit about Messiah which is a Xmas-type work. billinghurst (talk) 10:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Perfect for me. --Zyephyrus (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm... sounds like a musical-christmas work. Great choice, that's perfect! I love those kind of works.Angelprincess72 (talk) 13:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Works: Short and Interesting

(Not so short)

Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Thomas Carlyle. 04:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
About The Story of Alexander's Empire, the address above links to an incomplete book, only a Preface, doesn't it? The whole book is here:, 378 pages. --Zyephyrus (talk) 10:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Damn, you're right - nixed it from the list. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Thomas Carlyle. 17:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PotM January 2010

More quirky selections

  • Index:The Passenger Pigeon - Mershon.djvu (1907) ~250pp, about pigeons, and it seems to be a compilation of authors writing about pigeons from various 'authoritative' perspectives. Has some nice colour plates that would make some good illustrations. Text looks in good condition, and been botted into place. billinghurst (talk) 11:21, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good and unique. I think it would be great to have a text based around the subject of pigeons.Angelprincess72 (talk)

I've just noticed that the text is still copyright in my country, I think. The author died 66 years ago and the copyright term in the U.K. is 70 years after the author's death. Is it still copyright for me? Can I still contribute with that text? Angelprincess72 (talk) 20:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

You can work on it. You would be unable to print it out and sell it in the UK without permission until it goes out of copyright. billinghurst (talk) 02:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Billinghurst Angelprincess72 (talk) 13:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

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