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Needs Further Investigation[edit]

Oddities, inconsistencies, and similar unanswered questions concerning specific Executive Orders.

Executive Order 3016[edit]
 Series of Sub-Divisions −
Always coming across these 'phantom listings' of some sort of sub-division of EO 3016, so I figure it's better to start tracking them somewhere...
It appears these are orders issued by the Alien Property Custodian himself, under delegated authority of Executive Order 3016. The text of some of them can be seen in this book. Unsure if those count as real executive orders or not. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Executive Order 6657[edit]
Never distributed & immediately superseded by 6657-A (27 March 1934)
  • See the note here
  • Both EOs are listed in Cliff Lord's listings.
  • EO 6657-A is also formally superseded by EO 7968.
Executive Order 6671[edit]
Subject: Withdrawal of Certain Described Lands in Arizona Pending Resurvey (07 April 1934)
Executive Order 6672[edit]
Subject: Withdrawal of Public Lands to be Used for Conservation and Development of Natural Resources; Wyoming (07 April 1934)
Executive Order 6692[edit]
Established Department of Justice seal (also missing)
  • EO reprinted in DOJ Order No. 2400.3 (Aug. 6, 1998), can't locate a copy as well
    • DOJ Order No. 2400.3, the Justice Property Management Regulations, § 128.1-5007(a), yeah. 1.28.1-5007 is here, but not the (a) part. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
      • Then wouldn't it be reprinted in the 1998 (or 1999?) annual compilation of the CFR? The 2012 e-CFR would be too current for that DOJ order to be listed/excerpted so that is not a surprise. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Executive Order 6786-A[edit]
Printed in "Codes of Fair Competition As Approved ... (with supplemental codes, amendments, executive and administrative orders)" (NRA Codes), Volume 12, page 623, per the Cliff Lord book. Google Books has a copy but only snippet view at best. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm... found a copy here. But that says EO 6785. The Cliff Lord book gives very similar subject matter for EOs 6785 and 6786-A. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Cliff Lord's listing may be in error here. FDR's Public Papers & Addresses does not list 6786-A for example, but that may be due to the order's inclusion in the numbered series taking place after that FDR volume was first published. If there is a citation in the NRA codes, however, it must exist. I wonder why it wasn't assigned 6785-A instead being the dates are all June 30th 1934 anyway & the content seems like a revision of 6785 is some way. Go figure. -- George Orwell III (talk) 07:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm thinking you may be right. Lord's book has the exact same NRA Codes page reference for 6785 (which is accurate). The monthly catalog only lists a single Interior Department order for that month, the 6785 one. I don't see a reference to 6786-A in the NRA codes itself (or anywhere else for that matter). Maybe it was an accidental duplicate in Lord's book? There was an absolute horde of EOs issued that week; maybe it was a mixup with 6756-A or something. The EO should at least be listed in the monthly catalog or the FDR papers. Feeling like it's a simple mistake in Lord's book. Would be nice to be able to cross-check with that CIS index. Carl Lindberg (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Executive Order 6810-A[edit]
Superseded by EO 7012. Instructions to Diplomatic Officers and consular regulations. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Executive Order 7062[edit]
Subject: Seven additional places designated as unhealthful Foreign Service posts (5 June 1935)
The full list as of 1941 is here; we could probably figure out the seven by comparing that list versus EO 5644 and EO 6942 (only added one post - Mérida, Mexico). EO 10000 modified the list. This book has a decision by the comptroller general, involving aspects of those EOs and the law, where a copy was sent to him apparently, but unfortunately was not published as part of the decision. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 :-) The seven are: Boma, Belgian Congo; Mersin, Turkey; Mombasa, Kenya; Muscat, Oman; Sandakan, British North Borneo; Santa Rosalia, Mexico; and Zanzibar. Couple of others changed names, but those are the differences. Carl Lindberg (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
So add it as another partial text one? While nailing down the 7 posts is helpful, I'd rather verify it against a complete copy now instead of adding it only to forget following up on it like the rest. -- George Orwell III (talk) 07:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, not sure it's quite enough for a partial article -- the ones we have were at least descriptions from other government sources and contain chunks of the actual language. It's better than nothing, but maybe it'd be best to wait and see if we can turn up the full EO eventually. I have found the full text of one of those partial orders before, but it's not likely at this point, short of going to the National Archives maybe. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Executive Order 8606-A[edit]
Subject: Amendment of Executive Order No. 7972 of September 15, 1938, Prescribing Currency Exchange Rates in Luxemberg (06 December 1940)
  • This order is listed in the related 1936 to 1965 Index, showing not published in Vol. 5 of the Federal Register & page 842-A in the 1938-1943 Compilation
  • This order is apparently missing from the NARA online listing
  • The Title 3, 1938-1943 Compilation doesn't seem to have a page 842-A -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Executive Order 10026-A[edit]


EOs Missing Images[edit]

{summary or description info here eventually)

File:Benton Lake Bird Refuge EO 5228 illustration.png




Carl Lindberg (talk) 03:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
George Orwell III (talk) 21:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Manual of Style[edit]

Article Naming[edit]

  • TBD

Article Formatting[edit]

  • TBD

Linking[edit]

  • TBD

Templates[edit]

  • Work in progress…
  • {{Potus-eo}} − Executive Order header template.
  • Basically does what the next two templates do as well as any typical header all-in-one with the addition of automatically figuring out which President created the Executive Order just by the EO# and creates both an external link to a government listing to verify citation info and an internal Wikisource link to the Wikilist of EO's for that President (works from FDR to Obama Administrations}. See the templates documentation for details.
  • Ex. - For the citation ``74 FR 4669´´, input the Volume No. (74) and the Page No. (4669) like so: {{USFedReg|74|4669}} to produce an output of 74 FR 4669
  • Template:CodeFedReg - The Code of Federal Regulations via GPO Access
  • … add as determined as needed

Categorization[edit]


Every plan needs to start somewhere, so here is a first pass. — MrDolomite | Talk 16:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Inventory[edit]

United States Executive Order Count by year issued
   
United States executive orders(166 C, 28 P)
 

Executive orders[edit]

Hi, I see you created the template Potus-eo, but it only currently being used on the most recent executive orders. Executive orders issued by George Bush and before all seem to be using the Header2 template. Do you need help making the conversion for all of the previous executive orders? I will be happy to help. Only thing, there are so many executive orders, a bot would be very useful to make the switch. Thoughts? Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 01:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Hello, pleased to meet you. . . yeah, that's pretty much the way I found the Executive Order category in general months ago and have tried to take a stab at making them more accessible but it's been slow going. I don't believe there was ever any agreement on applying a style guide aross whatever already existed let alone what to follow when creating new ones. Anyway, I got fed up enough try and make a template that would do some of the work for you (see the eo-potus template's documentation). I applied it to the 2 dozen or so 2009 orders generated so far but there is still some reason why it's trigging their filters for missing header. It works fine the best that I can tell but I figured I better apply it piece-meal as I happen to edit one or two for now just in case.
I'm no expert (but not exactly clueless either) so I'd appreciate any imput or ideas on what's the best way to move forward with the goal in mind of applying it to whatever exists in the category to date at some point in the near future. Thanks. George Orwell III (talk) 02:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I see. Well, I'm not sure, applying it manually would take some time. Well, I plan to be working on Author:George Herbert Walker Bush/Executive orders in the immediate future, and should I use the Potus-eo template on the executive orders' pages I create or use the Header2 template? Maximillion Pegasus (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay - I'm going to try one more request to try and clear the air on the missing header message but in the interim how you approach H.W.'s missing orders really depends on what your underlying intent is. My feeling is that without credible citations, not many will be prone to utilize the information found there. If you're just out to complete the list for the sake of completeness that's fine too. In short, if you can put up with the erroneous error message everytime you create/edit an EO then I'd use the Potus-eo template. If you are not then, I can at least thank you for time and effort in rounding out a woefully lacking section of the EO category. George Orwell III (talk) 22:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: I finally figured out what I left out of the Potus-eo header that kept causing that erroneous missing header message when editing/creating EO's under it. The auto-populate stuff for the citation bar info should work fine now with all EO's all the way back to somepoint midway through FDR's administration. Drop me a note if anybody finds something wrong when applying it. Thanks. George Orwell III (talk) 04:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sub-Page Formatting[edit]

Not quite done but figured I better back it up somewhere

Public domain This is a work by an Executive Officer or designee thereof within the Executive Office of the President of the United States, created during the course of the person's official duties.
As a work of the U.S. federal government, the work is in the public domain (see 17 U.S.C. 105).
Seal of the President of the United States.svg

George Orwell III (talk) 02:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Added to {{active projects}}[edit]

This lame duck had never noticed that there was a specific project page for EO stuff, anyway, now paid attention and added this project to the Template:Active projects. {{Active projects}} rotates through the projects and should display this project on {{welcome}} one week in five, and is active currently. At the page there is instructions about just having the banner for use for your project.

Note: for your image, I have temporarily inserted File:Emancipation proclamation typeset signed.jpg though it is hardly stimulating, so you can either update it yourself, or identify an image that you would like, and I will add it in. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)