Talk:Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1866)

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Edition: 1866
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"Twinkle, twinkle little bat" is, of course, playing on The Star, but what about the others? "How doth the little crocodile" was originally about a busy bee, right, but what's the full poem? Eli the Bearded 01:26, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"The Annotated Alice" has all the details on that. Ashibaka 00:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Revised formatting based on 1897 edition[edit]

When I spotted Alice's Adventures in Wonderland on Project Gutenberg, I couldn't help but notice how the ASCII restrictions had severely hurt the formatting of the original. I noticed the Wikisource text, which looks like it was based on the Gutenberg text, had the same flaws, so I decided to update it with my printed copy.

The copy I have contains the text of "the 86th thousandth, the revised edition published in 1897, containing Carroll’s final changes," according to the editor. I'm fixing any differences I find, which are mostly italics, poetic indentation, and punctuation (semicolons/colons, curly quotes, missing/misplaced commas, and em dashes). I'm also changing the quotation style to "'American' quotes," but that's a much more arbitrary choice, so if anyone wants to revert to '"British" quotes,' I'm cool with it. --Fluggo 22:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Italian Wikisource[edit]

Could an admin put the link to the Italian Source? It's Alice nel Paese delle meraviglie. Thank you. (not logged, user:Aubrey) Done--BirgitteSB 23:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Por Favor[edit]

Category:Books that have been banned in China, as per http://www.cd.sc.ehu.es/FileRoom/documents/Cases/260alice.html? Sherurcij (talk) (CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN) 21:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

While you're at it, Image:Alice 05a-1116x1492.jpg Image:John Tenniel--Alice in Wonderland.jpg Sherurcij (talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει) 11:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/tenniel/alice/gallery1.html dammit Sherurcij (talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει) 04:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Categorize[edit]

Please add [[Category:1865 works]]. Thanks in advance. --Ysangkok 20:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. —{admin} Pathoschild 06:57:37, 06 May 2007 (UTC)

Images[edit]

I've added the illustrations. There are two complete sets on Wikimedia, as well as several individual images, so I used the larger-resolution and higher-quality ones—they're all from the same set. I used my copy of Alice in Wonderland to establish where the illustrations went in the text; my copy is a 1981 Grosset & Dunlap version.

I'm going to reformat all the chapters using the <prose> and </prose> tags; this will help with image positioning, as it will be much more consistent across different browsers and resolutions. (If I shouldn't be doing this, or doing it a different way, please tell me. The style guide wasn't very conclusive on that subject at all).

Thanks. Mr. Absurd 06:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Whoops—I meant <div class="prose">, not <prose>. Mr. Absurd 06:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good. John Vandenberg 06:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Left-alignment[edit]

This might seem really nit-picky, but since I've used the <div class="prose"> tag, the text is justified on both sides, which I (personally) don't like, as it can lead to overly large word spaces, especially because there's no automatic hyphenation. I'd like to change the code to read <div class="prose" style="text-align: left"> so that the text will align left.

Here's two examples. Notice especially the spaces in the fourth line of the first paragraph—this is what I mean by large word spaces.

Justified: Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, “and what is the use of a book,” thought Alice, “without pictures or conversation?”
Left-aligned: Alice was beginning to get very tired of sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to do: once or twice she had peeped into the book her sister was reading, but it had no pictures or conversations in it, “and what is the use of a book,” thought Alice, “without pictures or conversation?”

Is this acceptable, or should I just leave it to the default? Mr. Absurd 08:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

My personal preference is plain text, as it uses the full width of the browser window. That said, you should stick with your own choices in this, or ask on Scriptorium for more opinions. John Vandenberg 08:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

All sources from Project Gutenberg - only non-commercial use?[edit]

Hi. Is this book really based on the Project Gutenberg book? As far as I know (also why I avoid Project Gutenberg as much as to my ability) is it's restriction for commercial use. The licenses used by wikisource both allow commercial use, but Project Gutenberg does not. I hope this book is not a 'derivative' of any Gutenberg books if it denies uses specified by wikisource's licenses. Kind regards.. Logictheo (talk) 23:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg has a trademark license on their name, but if you strip the header and footer, the text is perfectly free.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I just checked the book at: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19033 and it says: "Not copyrighted in the United States. If you live elsewhere check the laws of your country before downloading this ebook." This must mean it is in the public domain, and thus I was wrong about books being available from the Project Gutenberg website as available only for non-commerical use. That's good news to me. Kind regards Logictheo (talk) 01:10, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

fix to editions[edit]

many editions, particularly notable for their illustrations, are available. They include the following possibilty: Index:Carroll - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.djvu