User talk:Beardo

Welcome to Wikisource

Hello, Beardo, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Again, welcome! PseudoSkull (talk) 17:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Beardo (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Author Redirects

Hello,

Not sure if you were aware, but many authors have redirects, so that you don't have to use the override_author section of the header template. Note that this changes the header from three lines to two, e.g. Men without Women/The Killers. If you preferred the former, feel free to revert my change, if not, I can adjust the rest of the transclusion to match; I just generally prefer headers that aren't so large.

Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - thanks. I was aware of the redirects (though I don't know if I had realised there is one for Hemingway). I see what you mean about the header - why does it do that ? I wonder if there is a way to get it so it doesn't happen like that ? -- Beardo (talk) 03:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo I'm afraid I don't know why it puts the extra line break in. Maybe if someone more knowledgeable in these matters happens past this comment, we could both find out. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Men Without Women

Hello again,

In future, please (please please) create the main page for a work before creating all the subpages. It avoids any issues with having to move subpages because they aren't linked to the main page, all because of a lowercase "w"...

Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - I think that there are really two separate things. The w/W was because I followed the style used for the index and source pages. I think that official wikisource policy would prefer "Men without women" - both lower case w. But I think as you have it looks better. Sorry about that.

On creating the main page, I am not sure that I feel confident enough to create those - especially when there wasn't even an index. The page would have been mostly red links. -- Beardo (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo I agree that the naming conventions can be confusing, and am rarely confident with naming myself, but I am fairly sure that the main page for a work is title case (Wikisource_talk:Naming_conventions). Also, even if you just transclude a single page (without a TOC or whatever else), and use the work incomplete tag, I would still recommend creating the main page first. Then you can check all the links on the subpages work, and that they are subpages of the intended main page. But maybe that is just me. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@TeysaKarlov - I see a conversation about case there, but no clear conclusion. The Style Guide states "Sentence form (most words lowercase) is preferred, unless an original capitalisation is consistently used." - Wikisource:Style_guide#Page_titles -- Beardo (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Preferred style

Hi. You can see that I have played with some works from WT, per special:diff/13051650. We prefer that the works are set as subpages and retain their components of their parent work, also noting the full relative links, and the use of contributor. I will get back to seeing I can find the authors at a later time. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst - Noted, thank you. When I first started doing these pages for stories in WT, I followed other pages already done in the same issues. I later realised that issues in later years are done with a different format. -- Beardo (talk) 16:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Yep, and as we started to build the collections of periodicals we adapted and changed.AND the WSes all differ a little. All a bit of a neverending story the clean up of old pages, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway my philosophy is to present solutions, not apply fault or get stuck on problems, so thanks for being understanding. Have a good one! — billinghurst sDrewth 19:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Billinghurst - I note that Weird Tales later in the year, and Amazing Stories no. 3 are similar to yours but include the editor - I suspect we need that. (Amazing Stories no. 2 is a mess - referring to Amazing Stories by H. G. Wells, Amazing Stories by Jules Verne etc.). I will have a go a tidying up the Weird Tales where I have been working, before moving back to the earlier ones. -- Beardo (talk) 23:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beardo: Good-o. I would think that we would only be adding editor as a field at volume/issue level, not at article level. I would also think that we can build a list of editors at Portal:Amazing Stories. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

special:prefixindex/Amazing Stories <= building a link in to see what we are facing — billinghurst sDrewth 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I have link fixed the Amazing Stories/Volume 02, though will need to go back to the old version to make sure that none of the pages actually are from the volume and move them into place. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Explanation

We're dealing with a couple of banned people who are trying to push their (irrelevant) points of view on various talk pages, thus at present we're being fairly tough on talk page comments that aren't directly about improving a page. In answer to your question, IIRC Christie was one of the originators of the trope. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle - ah, OK. Sorry. -- Beardo (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

PG

Wikisource no longer accepts new works that are copied from Project Gutenberg. Secondary transcriptions of works are no longer accepted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey - I am aware of that. So what ? Are we not allowed to include links to Project Gutenberg ? Where does it say that ? -- Beardo (talk) 11:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

The reason to put links on Author pages is to provide a source for adding the work here. Ideally, the link scan should be checked. As a result, we shouldn't link PG from Author pages any longer. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Technically speaking, policy prohibits such links altogether. See Wikisource:Wikilinks: "Links to non-Wikimedia pages are not acceptable." But we've been more flexible with links to scans, DOI links, and such on Author pages because they provide future editors with a source from which to pull a work into Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested work

Under the Hau Tree, in 1925 Weird Tales, by Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates. I'm interested to see what she wrote here, as I'm finishing up the works by her published in their own right. PseudoSkull (talk) 16:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull - OK. -- Beardo (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@PseudoSkull - It is now at Weird Tales/Volume 6/Issue 5/Under the Hau Tree -- Beardo (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Fostered content..

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/fostered Much reduced, and if you can solve some remaining ones much appreciated :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Alongside the ongoing delint for bold/italics, Can you think of any non-cosmetic Wikisource specfic Checkwiki tasks that could be semi-automated?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Delinting...

I compiled these using PAWS:-

• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_pair
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_space
• https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_pair

It would be nice to try and remove any inadvertent U,S,B,I tags caused by OCR at the same time.

(The goal here is to allow for eventual automated conversion of these tags to equivalent wikitext markup.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Delinting unclosed formatting:-

You may find this useful:- https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt

And thanks for looking into the remaining namespace lints :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Index:Notes and Queries - Series 12 - Volume 10.djvu

Resolved. 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Constitution of the Esthonian Republic (1920)

If the source is not known, then how do you know the translation was published before 1929? It is the original that was published in 1920. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

True. I have changed. -- Beardo (talk) 03:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Mystery of the Blue Train and The Black Mask

Hi! I finished proofreading the book if you were interested in validating it at all.

Also I saw your interest in Samuel Dashiell Hammett. I'm pretty excited for the serialized version of Maltese Falcon to be public domain next year. I've reached out to the California Archives since they have a large collection of the magazines to see if they could digitize any of them. As well as to the University of Louisville who has some from 1928 and 1929. And I found a cover from 1923 that I uploaded as well. Best, SDudley (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@SDudley - thanks for those messages. I haven't been doing much proofreading recently, but will try to get back to finish off the Christie.

Hammett - yes. He was one of the first that I looked at when I started here. I was disappointed how little of his there is here. I wasn't aware about The Maltese Falcon - though I note that the last part appeared in the January 1930 issue - I don't know if that means that we will have to wait until the following year to finish. I see that the stories that made up The Dain Curse are now PD, and those for Red Harvest will be next year. It would be good to get those as well. Cheers -- Beardo (talk) 04:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly the January 1930 edition was copyrighted in December 1929, so the whole serial will be public domain next year.

UCLA said they wouldn’t do any scans, but I have gotten some confirmation from Louisville. I think I got 2 chapters of The Dain Curse, so I’ll hopefully get around to uploading those this week.

and thanks for any validating you could do :) SDudley (talk) 13:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

@SDudley - oh great. I knew that it was common for magazines to be published earlier than the cover date, but didn't know if the copyright date matched the cover date or the actual publication. -- Beardo (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Beardo! Here are the two stories of The Dain Curse that are already public domain from 1928. I got the scans today from Louisville University. I'm not certain if they would be subject to a transcription project or not, but please do with them what you like. Glad to help support your interest in this author. And if you care at all about The Black Mask as a publication I'll be uploading some covers of that as well. SDudley (talk) 00:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I may have acted too quickly

I just proposed deletion of Patimokkha. I see you have recently updated its copyright banners, so maybe you were working on getting a clearer answer yourself. Apologies if I made a mess of things. -Pete (talk) 04:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth - thanks - no problem. What you did is fine. With some of these translation, I have been adding that template so it is clear that they need two licences, especially if the original licence is clear, but haven't been doing much to follow up. -- Beardo (talk) 04:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks. That makes sense. Just hard to tell sometimes, whether somebody is actively working on something, or just doing a bunch of organizing and tidying. Appreciate your efforts on translations etc. -Pete (talk) 08:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikisource:Scriptorium#With_a_Difference

So, I just wrote this about With a Difference and thought you might like to comment or watch. Don't worry: it is nothing scary or whiney or combative or otherwise unflattering or worse.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

When I first started working on the copyright banner backlog, it contained in excess of 1,500 pages. As of today it's 400. More times than not, when I would click into a page, I'd find that you had been there first, offering insightful results from your research and knowledge. I don't think anybody has contributed more to this recent backlog clearing push than you, and I commend you for your work, and thank you for your insights that have helped me improve my own Wikisource work. -Pete (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Specify a TOC on the Index page

I have been trying to specify the TOC on the Index page of this file to the "Contents" section only but not familiar with the required wikicode for it to happen. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you! Cerevisae (talk) 09:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Problem solved. I got the answer from Help:Index pages#Parameters under "Table of Contents" section. Cerevisae (talk) 11:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Cerevisae - Glad to hear that. I wouldn't have known what to say - I am not an expert on that either. Beardo (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Weird Tales request

Could you do Weird Tales/Volume 12/Issue 5/The Flying Death (1928) by Bruce Wallis, so that the disambiguation page Flying Death can be filled with one more item? Thank you. SnowyCinema (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@SnowyCinema - I haven't been doing much on wikisource recently, but I will have a go. Cheers. -- Beardo (talk) 02:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Talkback

You have new messages

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kathleen wright5 (talk) 02:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

The White Ship

The defaultsort and license templates were both intentionally removed; neither should be on a sub-page. Licenses are only appropriate for top-level pages (and sub-pages where the sub-pages represent individually published components, such as an issue of a magazine), while defaultsort is only appropriate for top-level pages. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea. - is that policy stated somewhere? It does not make sense to me. If the sub-page is placed in a category, it needs the defaultsort to be sorted in that category. And with a periodical, each individual story will have a different licence because the authors have different dates of death. -- Beardo (talk) 05:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Executive order redirects

Instead of just making a redirect to the new name, could you please do a page move? That way anyone watching the original (such as myself) will have the new page on his watchlist as well and the page history will be retained. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

@Koavf - how can I do that if the Executive Order page already exists as a properly transcluded page based on the Federal Register version ? -- Beardo (talk) 02:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I apologize. If it already exists, you can't. Sorry to waste your time. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

@Koavf - no problem. -- Beardo (talk) 02:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

More Serialized Fiction

Hello! I don't know if this is of interest to you, but I determined that the initial chapters for Irene the Stubborn Girl, the serialized version of My Man Godfrey are in the public domain. I've uploaded them to this Commons Category if you are interested at all in seeing them. It is possible that the whole of the book was serialized in this portion of the periodical that was not renewed. There is not a lot of info out there online about these, so I have to make determinations myself about the larger publication history. And I made an author page for Eric S. Hatch. Best, SDudley (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

@SDudley - thanks for the note. That doesn't look like it is my sort of thing. -- Beardo (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I want to help with the Maltese Falcon (1929)

Hi!

I was wondering if you could help me with something! I'd love to read the serialized version of The Maltese Falcon which I just uploaded to Commons. Is there some way in which I can translate that to usable in Wikisource? It isn't a scan of a text, but an already typed transcription pdf. I'd be glad to do the work, but need help with what the process would look like. And then it would help me learn.

You have always been so kind and I appreciate it! I want to help out here by getting another Hammett tale on. Since next year the 1930 book will be comparable to the earlier iteration of the story.

Best, SDudley (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

"You have to mark the page with the delete/cv template"

I've seen you say this a lot in deletion discussions. If you feel like something's off or not done right, feel free to just edit a work up for deletion / copyright discussion yourself. You can fix what's broken if you notice it. It doesn't add any value to discussions to remind someone else to do it, so please try to refrain from the reminders. (If it helps, a maintenance bot could be built to find instances of "page up for deletion, no deletion tag" because this is very commonly overlooked, so a discussion about that might be worth it?) SnowyCinema (talk) 22:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker: I would say that, though it would save time for the signaling user to fix the issue themselves, the reminders are useful, because it augments probability that the user who forgot'll remember next time. Plus, you never know, some new users may just not have read the notes at the top of the page, and not know at all they're supposed to tag, until someone tells them.

Making a bot do this seems like a good idea, and as a bot operator I'll look into it. I think it would work only for single nominations (where the title is like == [[Nominated page]] ==), as else it can't really figure what links in the nom are nominated pages, but still, the bulk of nominations are single.) — Alien  3
3 3 08:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

@SnowyCinema - I prefer not to add those tags to pages if I am not convinced that the pages warrant deletion. (Andf I am sure that I have seen other people make similar comments.) -- Beardo (talk) 03:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

@Beardo: {{delete}} and {{cv}} are procedural templates; their purpose is to note that a nomination is under discussion. Placing the template is distinct from nominating the page, in that it does not express support for the deletion of the page; it's merely bringing to the attention of someone reading the page that it's under discussion (which should be always done, so that the discussion gets input). — Alien  3
3 3 10:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

I do not understand why you keep badgering me to do something that I don't want to do ! -- Beardo (talk) 03:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Smyth translations

Yes, they are in public domain. They were published in 1922 and 1926, so they are PD in the US. Since Smyth died in 1937, they are PD in the UK as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I based my comment on the fact that Internet Archive showed the book as 1930 - I take it that the translations were published before that. -- Beardo (talk) 03:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

The Dain Curse index

I will not be adding any "improvements" to the Dain Curse index, as this seems to be a source of frustration for people working on Red Harvest. Would you like to handle the index pages once I have finished with the book text? I will be sure to validate your index pages if so to avoid this situation again.

SurprisedMewtwoFace (talk) 22:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Dear @SurprisedMewtwoFace - sorry that I did not respond previously. I wasn't sure what to say. I think that the two are different situations - for one thing, Red Harvest had been fully proofread and transcluded before that other user changed the pagelist. However, looking back, it seems that I created the pagelist for The Dain Curse whilst another user had changed that for Red Harvest, removing the ToC labels, which I prefer. (I found the Contents-1 and Contents-2 ungainly.) I think that I am happy to leave The Dain Curse as it is. -- Beardo (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't think I changed much with The Dain Curse, as I rarely change around the formatting of indexes very much once someone else has started them. Your input is much appreciated and I think we have made a lot of progress with this book. SurprisedMewtwoFace (talk) 00:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear @Beardo-Thanks for all your help with The Dain Curse, it has been invaluable! I will be taking a rare vacation in late July-early August, so I won't be recommending anything for the Challenge in July/August. When I get back (around the week of August 14) I plan on getting started on Meet the Tiger and would like your help with that text. Would that be okay with you? (It won't be in the Challenge because it doesn't have an OCR layer, meaning I'll have to use the button to manually generate one). SurprisedMewtwoFace (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

If you'll excuse the intrusion, I can give a hand for the OCR layer. — Alien  3
3 3 16:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

@SurprisedMewtwoFace - thank you, and thank you for all your work on The Dain Curse. I originally came to Wikisource a few years ago looking for Hammett's work, of which there was surprisingly little, so it is good to have these now. I will try to help with Meet the Tiger but I won't promise as I may be travelling then.

@Alien333 - thank you. I will leave @SurprisedMewtwoFace to respond. -- Beardo (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

@Alien333 Your help with OCR on Meet the Tiger will be much appreciated! As will all your help, @Beardo. Thanks to both of you, and good luck on The Maltese Falcon next year! SurprisedMewtwoFace (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology

Please do not make minor edits to the same page someone else is currently proofreading. In this instance, your minor edit caused me to lose a half page's proofreading in a long dictionary page, because you made the edit while I was proofreading the 2nd column. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:09, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry. I will keep a closer watch on those corrections in future. (Though how did you lose the work - didn't it give an edit conflict message, which would have allowed you to keep your work ?) -- Beardo (talk) 20:48, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Request for Weird Tales

Hi, I wanted to request you do "The Foot Fetish" by Howard R. Marsh in Weird Tales/1926. I saw it and thought the title was hilarious because the phrase means something, well...VERY different now than it did back then, as I'm sure you know. So, if we redirect it from Foot Fetish and The Foot Fetish, I think this is bound to bring a lot of views to our site, per the Debbie heuristic. Wanna tackle it? SnowyCinema (talk) 05:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

@SnowyCinema - I had noticed that title previously. OK - I will start that today. It's just over 12 pages. ("A group of Chinese men were kneeling, their heads touching the floor in worship of the great green foot," !). -- Beardo (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Representative American Plays/Superstition/Act 3 and other subpages

Hello. Just wanted to ask you if you agree with speedying the four subpages requested at Category:Speedy deletion requests. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek - thanks for asking. I find it a bit strange that he wrote "to streamline the downloading process, we're placing every part of each play on the same subpage, and aren't doing sub-subpages" when I can see no mention of that decision anywhere. Do you think that it is reasonable to structure this work like that ? -- Beardo (talk) 00:46, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek - it was actually EP who started that policy and having seen his comments, I accept his advice. Please speedy those pages. -- Beardo (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Done --Jan Kameníček (talk) 08:35, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

WE-Framework

Considering how much you work on creating Author pages, you might find this tool useful: w:Wikipedia:WE-Framework. It's what I use for quickly creating Wikidata items for new Author pages. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:42, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

(That said, I don't mind making the WD items myself) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl - thanks for that message. I tried adding that tool, but I don't see how to use it. I have linked a few new author pages where there was already a Wikidata item, but will leave others to create new ones.

I have noted a couple of cases where there are two wikidata items under different versions of their name - is it easy to merge them ? -- Beardo (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

The Flying Death (Adams) - Short story vs. novel

So I freely admit my instinct was wrong. I did a few comparisons between novel and 1903 serialization and it seems like the story in fact changed quite a lot from 1903 to 1905's novelized form (1905 according to the bound form's copyright date). Thanks for finding that. I was thinking about whether or not to consider them editions of the same work or separate works—but I think the same work, since one is an expansion of the other (apparently). So I'll go with that.

Also, how do you see all the unclosed italics immediately? Lol. SnowyCinema (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Given that that's I think the third one you've found today, I put in a rule to catch these in processing. transcription_text = transcription_text.replace("''", "''<<<<<<<<<") SnowyCinema (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

@SnowyCinema - with regard to "Flying Death", I noted that ISFDB listed a short story and the novel separately, with the comment "The short story was expanded in 1908 to novel length, with significant plot and story changes as well." That link to the magazine publication you had shows that it was 12 pages split in two parts (which seems odd to me).

Regarding italics, I keep a watch on new additions here. ShakespearFan showed me that. -- Beardo (talk) 00:30, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

A useful alternate template

Hi, a useful alternate welcome template is {{nothanks-inapt}}. I use it for new contributors who are obviously human and whose new item is out of scope. I don't usually use it for spam, as the vast majority of that is bot loaded rather than by a human. There is also {{nothanks-drm}} for when copyright material is uploaded. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:38, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle - thank you. I will keep those in mind for the future. -- Beardo (talk) 17:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Comments on PD welcome

Any comments at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Are the Trump plans PD Edict? would be welcome. Boud (talk) 06:37, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@Boud - I do not consider myself an expert on this, so was waiting for someone else to comment - and now see that the comment does actually confirm what I thought. The European version probably needs to be removed. -- Beardo (talk) 21:55, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Page:Joplin Tornado - May 22nd, 2011.pdf/1

Thanks for spotting it. I've got a script to handle the mass deletions etc, which among other things should avoid missing pages like this, but it looks like sometimes it unexplicably misses a page... *shrugs* — Alien  3
3 3 15:03, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Alien333 - Cheers. When I looked at the item in PDs, I noticed that link was still in blue.

By the way, I note that the reason you gave for deletion on closing was different to the one I gave in the proposal. Is that common ? -- Beardo (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

A close should reflect the discussion. That's what I try to do. Reasons I would possibly not include the nom's argument in the close:

1. people agree for deletion but disagree with the nominator's reason
2. if I have something to add (which goes in the same sense as the discussion, of course, else if I had an objection I would rather put it to discussion), such as noting that a page being deleted for being unsourced was also nearly empty or redundant to another page
3. if the most definitely valid claim is not the nom's. To clarify, I mean something like:
   • the nominator says A
   • everyone agrees for deletion, but they advance reason B
   • I see a valid or valid-ish possible response someone might make to A which would make the discussion draw on and on for nothing, which would be a shame when the outcome is clear
   • I don't include A (all this assuming of course B is valid), to try and avoid possible drama
4. if I err. PD is a lot of work, and these days I'm taking care of it mostly alone, so I may have simply misread.

Here I think it was probably case 1/3, (and of course possibly case 4). I can't be sure because I process too many PD discussions to keep track of what I thought when closing.

Someone could reply (although I personally don't agree with that argument) that we could always redact the copyrighted image(s), reupload, and all would be well. Whereas a work being out of scope is a stronger argument: no matter what file you put it in, it's not going to be good.

Also, TEA considered the file issue was "irrelevant" which may have been a start of the argument of the above line, and no one further commented on this file issue, so I probably thought better to go with an uncontroversial reason for deletion.

That being said, the file being deleted at the time is in any case a useful information to be kept a trace of somewhere, so I've amended the close to note that (the file being deleted).

Does this (admittedly long) message answer your question?

Feel free to discuss any of my closes with me any time you have an objection or a question.

Cheers, — Alien  3
3 3 18:18, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Alien333 - thank you for that very detailed reply !

If you are going to delete web-page printouts, I think there are a lot of works created by that user like that ! -- Beardo (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that at least most of them should be deleted, but trying to establish a general rule will likely be a hassle (and there are always edge cases and so on), and possibly not everyone thinks so. They'll all be examined one my one anyhow. — Alien  3
3 3 19:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Elegiac Sonnets

Hi, there are four items in the TOC for the nominated Index that will be orphaned as a result of deleting. Could you please sort out new parents for them? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle Thanks. I think that only one will be left as orphaned and that is a redirect to the other version, so I think that can stay like that. The others all have other links incoming, and are another redirect, a versions page and a disambiguation page. (Though the latter does not include a link to the other version, so I will amend that). -- Beardo (talk) 22:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. All sorted. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)