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Reaching out[edit]

for your help and/or guidance.

Long story short - I could really use a fully functioning TOOL located on ToolServer that currently seems to crap out and recycle the same 1st 50 titles instead of building one complete list. Is there anyway that I can produce the same desired ouput here locally or something? -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look and I only have a fuzzy idea what this tool does; or more specifically, what information you are wanting out of it. Can you explain please? Hesperian 03:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Did you run it? (add en for lang & select wikisource for .org). It runs all the way through - producing the various sections and comparisons - but the problem is that its original query is limited to the 1st 50 API returns and subsequent queries (to build the entire list) don't start at the 51st, 101st, 151st, 201st, 251st, etc. items but repeats the same 1 through 50. Thus, while the tool process to the end, its only using a list based on the same partial query of items 1 through 50. Better? -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I ran it. I saw where it was going wrong too. It is basically just a list of site messages compared to their defaults? Hesperian 04:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much - but the "needed part" is when we currently host messages that A.) aren't part of the defaults and B) any defaults that aren't coming "up" or coming "through" for us locally. I found one of these latter oddball ones yesterday for example. I'm hoping the tool will reveal some more (or at least provide me more clues) than having to go through each one manually. -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here's what you're looking for being fed out of the API: [1] (the few entries where a default has been over-ridden have a default parameter). It would be trivial to write a script to suck this data in and massage it into a wikitable. Shall I proceed? Hesperian 11:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
and Special:AllMessages, or am I missing the import of the message. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you are, then so am I. Special:AllMessages does seem to provide what I was offering. Hesperian 13:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the internal Special:AllMessages one is suspect - even though (I'm guessing) its based on the same API calls mentioned. It did not produce a superseeded listing until I cleared the retired variant of it first for example - which is why I went on this little quest to begin with. Unfortunately, most of it (some ~10,300 entries) has litle to do with en.WS but its those "clues" it can provide in locating such weirdness was the motivation in looking for an alternative.
The tool was ideal because it provided duplicates to the defaults, manually overriden defaults and existing local messages outside of the defaults coming down to us from the server. If salvaging that tool is not possible, then anything would be better than the straight API output I suppose. So yes please, if a scripted table is possible, I'd like to see what it turns up (if anything at all). -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have posted into my sandbox a table of all over-ridden system messages. (I dumped the messages into a table without even escaping the pipes and to my surprise it seems to be rendering fine!) I hope I understood the request correctly and this is what you're after. Feel free to relocate it or edit it in place, whichever you'd prefer, and let me know how you'd like it tweaked and/or when you want a fresh run. (@) Hesperian 00:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Crosses[edit]

Hello, Hesperian. I hope that you feel well today. Now, to the point, the area you found on Silver Crosses and Indian Mounds where I had stated I would do the images was created as an excerpt as far as I can tell. His name is shown there as Nikola Smolenski. I have never heard of this person. I was indeed intending to add images and he left the "source". I went to that source moments ago and learned the images are removed from that Google book (Don't you just love Google!) which is apparently why I never did the images. However, I plan to do those images if I can find them. I will search for an intact book tomorrow (today). I am presently working on two abandoned books. They are Historic Girls and the images for that Panama book where the editor used your raw images. I am placing the correct images in that. There are a lot of images totaled as well as text in one of the books so I am staying busy as any good person would. I just wanted you to know these things. BTW, that complete book is about Anthropology which would be an excellent addition to our library. If I can find that complete book with images that Google has removed (why do they do that and then place it on IA? Sales with the images?) I would like to place it on en.ws -- as long as it has all of the images.

Also, in a different situation, I am convinced, from looking at two of the same books with different frontispieces, that Google is using yet another tactic to mark their books in a new way. These colored images not match the contents of the book nor each other. They stand out loud, in color, as being totally unrelated to the book in any manner. My bedtime! 1:33 AM Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 07:33, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Maury, yes I'm well. And you?
<shrug> I leave a trail of unfinished stuff behind me. Wikisource is just a hobby and I decided long ago never to feel pressured to finish or start something that I don't feel like finishing or starting. So I'm in no position to criticise others for unfinished / forgotten / overlooked business. I shouldn't like to think that my removing those in use templates served as a criticism; I removed them simply because I fancied I was improving Wikisource by doing so.
Re Google, that's a huge worry. There's not much use us trying to faithfully represent scans if the scans themselves aren't faithfully to the book as published.
Hesperian 11:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I usually feel very good and I feel very good now after a few hours of sleep. I do not know of anyone who desires to "criticize" another here on en.ws and certainly not you. You were correct in removing outdated "in use" statements. Too, I hinted to you to remove "RAW images" that I replaced yesterday on the Panama book as I saw you do very recently.

That extracted section about Silver Crosses and Indian Mounds came from a book dated 1881 or '82 and I cannot find another copy. Google removed the images and placed the rest on Internet Archives so even the cited link on that ws page is worthless except for text. It is an article with no images and with a bad source. I looked on HathiTrust and the same book is not there but a different year is there. It is a book on Anthropology which is a subject I hope to get to. Presently, I have an overload of books I am working on with two being abandoned. Raul of Mexico City and I are working on these two abandoned works (we work well together) plus The Story of the House of Cassell[famous publisher]

I am headed offline to work on some of the Panama book next.

I believe I know what to do with Google's new tactic of placing false images as the frontispiece (1) don't include them in a transclusion. It is what Google expects just as they place other watermarks on most every page. (2) Strip them out with all Google's watermarks and then upload a clean text to Internet Archives to be made into a .djvu file. Google does not expect someone to go to the trouble of removing all watermarks on a book of many pages but I have. en.ws is not just a hobby for me. It is beyond that - it is in a higher realm of just a good deed for people in the present and future to learn. Education is vital for a good life and sources in libraries & archives are vital. —Maury (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hesperian/Indices[edit]

Whats the update frequency on this? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is none. I update it if someone asks me to or I want updated info myself. Hesperian 23:09, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Detecting the Author[edit]

Hello Again! It's been a long time since we've chatted, but I've been plugging away at several of the Swift volumes in the meantime. There are a couple of questions that I've been mulling over, and, since you are a fan of Jonathan Swift, I am hoping that you have answers for me.

First, I've been adding links to many Wikipedia articles on people, battles, and other assorted topics. Sometimes I see that, if the authors of some of the articles could read the Swift volumes, they would be able to not only give references to some of the facts in the Wikipedia articles, but they could correct some of the facts included. Yes, I know that I can make changes to Wikipedia, but I consider myself a lover of literature, and not a historian. Is there someone I can contact (when I'm done) to suggest that they look at these volumes?

Second, as you know, Swift was a master of satire. There are times when the editor of these volumes attributes a particular work to an author, but I suspect that the true author was Swift instead. For instance, there is a series of articles about John Partridge in volume 5 -- apparently, Swift didn't think much of him. The articles are the second through the sixth articles of the volume. The fifth one, the fourth of the series, is Squire Bickerstaff Detected. As you can see, the article is supposedly written by John Partridge. However, the editor included a note that it was really written by Dr. Yalden, so that's who I identified as the author. However, in reading the work itself, I find that it is completely in the style of Jonathan Swift. Dr. Yalden at the time of the article was a preacher, and wrote poetry and translations. There is nothing in his Wikipedia article that indicates he ever wrote articles such as Squire Bickerstaff Detected. So, I am tempted to name Swift as the author instead. What do you think? If I do change it to Swift, should I indicate in the notes or something my reasons for changing the author?

Thanks for your help! Susan Susanarb (talk) 03:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Susan,
I'm not sure how you could promote the inclusion of this information into Wikipedia articles, short of including it yourself. Most articles are written in bursts by an author who then monitors their work with declining passion. Eventually they completely move on. I suspect you are better off thinking of these Wikipedia articles as 'orphaned'. Most likely there is no-one who cares more than you do about Wikipedia having accurate information on Swift... so you have a decision to make: do you make the leap and start fixing Wikipedia articles yourself, or do you let it go?
I came here from a Wikipedia background where it is all about neutrally presenting what the sources say, and original research is forbidden, so I would never change an attribution without a source. If I were happy with the attribution, I would put down authorship as "nominally John Partridge; actually Dr. Yalden". If I were doubtful about the attribution, I would put down authorship as "nominally John Partridge; attributed to Dr. Yalden". That's about as far as I personally would feel comfortable going.
Hope this helps. Just my opinions really; I appreciate you listening, now feel free to do the opposite if the opposite is what works best for you.
Hesperian 07:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This does help -- thank you much! Also, just to catch you up, I've proof-read 11 of the 19 volumes, and still working! Susan Susanarb (talk) 15:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I check in on your progress every now and then; I'm very impressed by your persistence! Hesperian 00:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I just found another question, and this is about font. This page has a full section in an old English type of font. I've seen it once before (I think it was also in volume 5, so I should be able to find it again). I looked in the Special Characters section for different font types, and checked several Help sections, but couldn't find any instructions for dealing with it. Swift was clearly trying to make a point by using this font, as here, he was relating Merlin's prophesy from years ago. I believed that last time I just used a combination of bold and italics to set the type apart. Is there another code that could better reproduce this font? Susan Susanarb (talk) 01:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And thank you again! Susan Susanarb (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That font style is called "blackletter", "fraktur" or sometimes rather inaccurately "gothic". We have template {{blackletter}} for it.... Oh, I see George has just done that for you. Hesperian 03:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you did it! I think I have a lot of elves watching over me. :-) Susan Susanarb (talk) 03:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quote[edit]

Hi Hesperian, I quoted you on Wikidata.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heavens! I'm famous! Hesperian 08:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you're famous. But Erasmo is now infamous. May I have your autograph, Erasmo? —Maury (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bots[edit]

It has been about a week, but not sure if you saw the discussion Wikisource:Scriptorium#Bot_flag_for_User:EmausBot. Looks like an approved bot to me. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 20:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up; I hadn't seen it. Granted. Hesperian 01:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Index moved[edit]

Hi. Pls note that this Index has been moved: Index:Talesofjohnolive00hobb.djvu so "Page:Talesofjohnolive00hobb/xx" pages are now floating. Bye--Mpaa (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks mate. Hesperian 01:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Moved those that could be, deleted the remainder. Not sure how that happened as I had moved the File/Index prior to the creation of those pages, and I had checked. Weird. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Might be my bad, sorry. Hesperian 07:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Htonl & Checkuser[edit]

Hi, we've now reached 25 support votes + my nomination = 26 support and no dissent. When you've time, can you please initiate the process? Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yay at last! Hesperian
Considering you two fellows, after years, just point me to it and I will add my support. —Maury (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

HesperianBot[edit]

Hesperian, if you can find the time would you please run your bot through my book to mark missing images? I would like to turn the pages without images purple so I can find them easier. The book I am working on is named Our Neighbor-Mexico. If you cannot do this, I thank you for the consideration. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 01:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, initiating now. It is a slow background job but should be done some time today. Hesperian 01:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Hesperian. —Maury (talk) 06:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The uploaded DjVu file is not the same as the IA one linked to as the source. I can't extract and upload images if the source link is wrong. Hesperian 11:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unexpected. I had four files (books) to choose from so I guess I got one I didn't expect. I will get it worked out. Thank you once again, —Maury (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Raw images[edit]

Hi Hesperian, I noticed that here for example you created a page with the edit summary "raw image". At the moment the page has the message at the top saying "There was a problem when proofreading this page". What needs to be done with raw images? Nev1 (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The image is not a nice clean picture; it is a raw scan of the page. My bot makes it easier for you to provide nice illustrations by uploading raw page scans of the pertinent pages. If you click on the image you'll see instructions on what to do. Hesperian 00:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox in maintenance cats[edit]

FYI, your sandbox is showing up in maintenance cats, eg. Category:No reference tag — billinghurst sDrewth 00:53, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks mate. I couldn't pinpoint the cause so I've blanked it for now. I'm sure George will let me know if he was still using it. Hesperian 01:19, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Your Files to Wikimedia Commons[edit]

Don't worry. He's watching your back. And yes, he's hosted on Commons.

Hello Hesperian/Archive 14!

First, thank you for your contributions to Wikisource. Any contributions are always very much appreciated. While searching around, I noticed that you have some files that you uploaded to Wikisource that would probably serve the community better if it was on Wikimedia Commons, a media file repository. You can view your files to see which ones I'm referring to. See the Image Guidelines for more information.

Why should you do this?

As an example, let's pretend you extracted a hard-to-find image from a book written in 1870. If you upload it to Wikisource, only Wikisource users can use it. What if a user from Japan is writing an article about a similar topic? If your file is on Wikisource, it's unlikely he'll find it, and if he's lucky enough to find it, he still won't be able to use it easily. However, if you uploaded it to Commons, it's much more likely he'll find it and be able to use it. (Files hosted on Commons are accessible from any sister project) The same goes for any PDF or DJVU files you upload as well.

Note: To "move" a page from Wikisource to Commons is simple, but somewhat confusing if you don't know how to. First, upload the file to Commons with the same file name as you did here. Add the same information, making sure you put in the correct license. I suggest adding the {{Wikisource image}} template to its Commons page. Then edit the file's page at Wikisource and add the template {{Now Commons}}. Soon an administrator will complete the "move" by deleting the Wikisource copy (as it's no longer needed). You don't need to change any tags on Wikisource as they'll automatically point to the new file. Awesome!

If you have any questions or concerns, don't be afraid to ask.

The Haz talk 04:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

<chuckle> but seriously, please don't move any files without discussing it with me first. Hesperian 04:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scribners Monthly v.12[edit]

Hello, Hesperian The book you asked GO3 about is also on HathiTrust. It totals to 900+ pps. Do you know the pages you want? Why not upload only those pages instead of leaving an unfinished book behind on en.ws? You only want a portion right? I downloaded the .PDF version out of curiosity to see what Google does to it. Yes, on Google, they all are behind a captcha.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.32000000681819;view=thumb;seq=69

Notice that his name (Henry James Jr) carries "Jr."
Are these what you want, all that you want from Scribners Monthly v.12?
Crawford's Consistency by Henry James Jr. 569-584
Ghostly Rental, The by Henry James Jr. 664-679

This work (above) by Henry James Jr. is good reading! What do you think about extracting the pages you want and uploading them? —Maury (talk) 05:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Maury,

Hello, I feel like I have been here before <smile> —Maury (talk) 06:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In some ancient Latin classic or another — something of Virgil's I suspect — "Hesperia" was a "land looking west". In the more recent past, at a time when a gentleman was expected to show off his classical education from time to time, various westward-looking lands were honoured with the name. One such place is Western Australia, where I was born and still live. The name is still used a little bit here; for example, one of the leading publishers on Western Australian history calls itself Hesperian Press. In short, my user name is a geographical parochialism: it is an impressive-sounding synonym for "Western Australian".

I looked up the word Hesperian in wikipedia as seen by the wikipedia link on the word above. Apparently, from the information on wikipedia, Mars must be "west" of earth. <smile>

Per Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Excerpts: "Random or selected sections of a larger work, are generally not acceptable." And I agree with that.

I was not aware of that and on recall I remember that the story on "Silver crosses", unfinished, is an extract by someone. I don't know if I agree with the rule or not. But I think so because it would become awkward if someone wanted to place the entire work on wikisource after an excerpt were already here

It is true that I will only transcribe those two stories. However I will leave the work with a solid landing page that makes it easy for others to contribute the other stories; for example see The Continental Monthly/Volume 5 and The Continental Monthly/Volume 5/Number 2. I think this is a much better outcome than uploading an excerpt.

Yes, that makes sense. I have seen where you have done this before now and felt regrets that nobody else was helping you with large works like the link you have presented here. So, I edited some of the pages but I don't recall the book.

I was also trying to help because I have seen excerpts on wikisource but not with the page images AND because all of the Google watermarks would have to be removed, 900 pps worth. That is a task!

Hesperian 05:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. James identified as "Henry James, Jr" in his early works, at which time his father was living. On his father's decease, he dropped the "Jr". Thus the majority of his output, and all of his best known works, are attributed to "Henry James". Hesperian 06:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: create an email account on hotmail.com and I can send you the .PDF there. Ineuw and I did similar with a book Ineuw could not get and we did it for Beeswaxcandle (Flowers of New Zealand). —Maury (talk) 06:55, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All that you have written is interesting. I thank you for the education. You have removed some of my ignorance. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 06:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hesperian, I recall you tried to download a .PDF from Google. I can email you that exact book from Google. I don't know if I can send it to your email here via wikisource's email option or not as it is rather large. I can place it on wikisource upload for you to download and work with -- or any other ideas you may have. It's sitting on my computer now. —Maury (talk) 06:40, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, home away from home. The new paint job here looks good. Hesperian, have you received a reply in from George Orwell III yet regarding your request? You and he seem to have disappeared. He may be removing all of those Google watermarks. —Maury (talk) 19:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Ah, home away from home. :-) Thank you for the offer, Maury. It isn't possible to email attachments through the Wikimedia email interface, but if I email you through it, then you'll have my email address and can forward it to me. Does that sound okay? There is no need for me to create a temporary address, as I have no objection to you having my permanent address. Hesperian 00:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go for it bro! Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 00:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hesperian, would you please email me a heads up with the url when you get Scribners Monthly, Volume 12 on en.ws? I saw a couple of articles I may want to do (not the same as yours :0)

I liked the idea of short articles. I am used to doing full books and some validations for others around en.ws Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wilco :-) Hesperian 00:55, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Maury, IA derivation failed: "Module threw exception: /t/_Httpbooks.google.com.aubooksidD6_PAAAAMAAJ/Scribners_Monthly_v12_jp2 exceeds 2 GB, quitting here to flag need for investigation."[2] Hesperian 02:51, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Pray, professional help will soon be on the way. —Maury (talk) 14:37, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Will gladly download/upload any book I can have access to but I need a proper web link. In the meanwhile, assuming that this exists on IA, I will look for it, but would like a confirmation. — Ineuw talk 17:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I found this IA page and it's HTTPS folder and they are all downloadable. Please let me know which files to download and where to upload. If it's the .jp2 file you want (Hesperian), how can I transfer it to you?— Ineuw talk 18:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Sorry for jumping in here. Just a heads up that if any Djvu scan is on IA it takes exactly 2 seconds to import it to Commons with the metadata via this awesome tool. Solomon7968 (talk) 18:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're most welcome to jump in and thanks for the link - I've been looking for it. I believe that the issue is about the .jp2 file which is ~760MB and is of no use on the Commons as is. It's for extracting hi res pictures. So, it's best if we wait for Hesperian to come online and clarify what he would like. — Ineuw talk 19:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hesperian. What I can do is download the .jp2 file to my desktop, delete the text page images, trim the image pages by removing the text portion, - in effect reduce the file size - convert to grayscale .jpg or .png as you like, repackage the images and upload them to Imageshack, PickFront, or any online public image file site so that you can download them.— Ineuw talk 19:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

update[edit]

Hesperian's original plea is seen on GO3's Talk page #42 request File on Google.

Waited but no reply from GO3.

Maury makes offer to Hesperian to get the book off Google and does so.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=D6_PAAAAMAAJ
Scribners Monthly, Volume 12 (1876)
Maury asks which articles but Hesperian wants entire file so Maury attempts to email entire file. Large file of about 900 pps .PDF fails due to mailbox size so Maury next places .PDF on Internet Archives (Archive .org)
Hesperian downloads entire .PDF file.
What Hesperian does with large .PDF file Maury does not know other than Hesperian wants only 3 stories from entire file. Complete file is for the sake of others while Hesperian extracts wanted pages for articles. —Maury (talk) 23:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I followed everything above. Can't you extract the files he wants using pdfsam (PDF Split and Merge)? If not, I can do it. All in all, I still want to wait to Hesperian to come online. — Ineuw talk 23:24, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ineuw, Hesperian does not want extracted files. He wants the entire file placed on ws. Reading near the beginning you should see that I too thought Hesperian wanted to extract files, and yes, I can extract them. He seeks only the stories by Henry James and there are 2 of them I listed above when I thought that was what Hesperian wanted extracted but again, he wants the entire file on WS as shown above in our conversation. —Maury (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ineuw, in the Scribner's Monthly vol 12 "new" that you found on IA I see that there is,

VII. The Grand Canal, Henry James p531 -- that I found when seeking the name in the text file. Hesperian is collecting all Henry James short stories. Hesperian wants full books on WS and not extractions. Again, that is in the conversation above with the first book. I agree, "wait" for "The Return of Hesperian" —Maury (talk) 23:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maury, there are some discrepancies between the Google and the IA versions. IA says 1877 and you wrote 1876. Also, the Google cover is different. — Ineuw talk 23:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
downloaded this IA volume 12, and we are both wrong. The publication year is 1892 and NOT 1876, or 1877. So, we better wait.— Ineuw talk 23:45, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Google version I used did not say "new" on the end of it. They are two different magazines. Note the dates and the covers you have seen. —Maury (talk) 23:48, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just finished downloading the same file Hesperian wants again. It downloads as a .PDF file from Google. It shows the following:
Scribner's Monthly
Vol. XII
May, 1876,
No.I.
Portraiture of William Penn
931 pages

—Maury (talk) 00:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The file is Scribner's Monthly. You show a link above to "VOLUME XII JULY-DECEMBER" (1892?) whereas I have May 1876 as shown above. They are two different publications with correct monthly dates. —Maury (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Even at ~900 pages & filled with "images" throughout, there really is no reason for the above PDF to come out to ~113Mb - especially when Google always strips any text-layer that might have been present prior to local download. My gut tells me something is "off" if not internally corrupted within the PDFs structure itself. Let me D/L it and run through PreFlight to see if it can't be "saved" to the point to where at least it can be converted to a .DjVu or something -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it, GO3. I seriously do like professionals! —Maury (talk) 00:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that we are talking about two different files, the word "newy" at the end of the file has nothing to do with it. Many other downloads end with the word.— Ineuw talk 01:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
newy is just something I noticed on the file you pointed out with a link whereas the file I looked at did not have it and is not a 1892 work with the 1st article being, "AMONG THE POOR OF CHICAGO". I downloaded both and looked at them. They are not the same works -- no way. I did not rely upon just "newy" and especially since files can be renamed. Thank you for all you do and teach Ineuw and as an aside, our friend Raul is now in Southern Mexico to talk with some high officials about government funding. Raul is a fascinating man and a "workaholic" <smile> Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Oh, I almost hesitate to comment here; things are getting done in my absence so I should stay absent. Too bad I need my Wikisource fix.

In summary:

  1. I want to transcribe all Henry James' stories. I am making solid progress but I have a very long way to go. See User:Hesperian/Notes/Henry James#Stories if you're interested.
  2. Wikisource now has an edition of every Henry James story from 1864 through to 1875. Next on my list are two 1876 stories that appeared in Scribner's Monthly 12 and were never collected in book form in James' lifetime, nor even before 1923. One first appeared in book form in 1948, the other in 1950. Very likely both books are in the public domain due to non-renewal after 28 years, but that's not much help to me if the scans aren't available. Therefore I am looking to transcribe these two stories direct from Scribner's Monthly.
  3. I don't like to work with extracts. I like to upload the entire work. It is true that I will only transcribe two stories, and leave the rest of the work untranscribed. However I will leave it with a solid landing page that makes it easy for others to contribute the other stories; for example see The Continental Monthly/Volume 5 and The Continental Monthly/Volume 5/Number 2. I understand that some people disapprove of this practice, but I think it is a pretty good outcome and much better than uploading an excerpt.
  4. I couldn't download the PDF from Google Books due to it being unavailable here in Australia. Maury was so good as to upload it to IA for me, but IA processing failed due to the size of the file.
  5. I await George's results; if all else fails then I will use ImageMagick and DjVuLibre to build a DjVu file page by page, then upload and proof without a text layer.
  6. Meanwhile I have gone onto Daisy Miller so there is no rush. ;-)

Thanks all for your willingness to pitch in and help! Hesperian 03:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am tempted to cut that file into several parts and send them to IA, or you, as part1, part2, &c. Then you (or I) could then upload them that way [can .djvu files be added together?] and place each part on WS (or I could) then the files could be transcribed. If George cannot get the needed file in deju format then I probably will do as I have suggested. I have never seen a file like this which is perhaps is why Google has kept it on their site. But George does so well I believe he could crack the "Fort Knocks" safe.

Hesperian, a Happy Valentine's Day to you and "Daisy Miller" smiley —Maury (talk) 04:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Never have I encountered a young American girl of so pronounced a type as this. Certainly she is very charming, but how deucedly sociable! Is she simply a pretty girl from New York State? are they all like that, the pretty girls who have a good deal of gentlemen's society? Or is she also a designing, an audacious, an unscrupulous young person? I've lost my instinct in this matter, and my reason cannot help me. Miss Daisy Miller looks extremely innocent. Some people have told me that, after all, American girls are exceedingly innocent; and others have told me that, after all, they are not. I am inclined to think Miss Daisy Miller is a flirt—a pretty American flirt.... Hesperian 04:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
1 Hesperian 04:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Either you folks cool your jets and work on something else for the next day or two & let me work the problem to an end or tell be to blow. I will let you know if I fail on this end as soon as I'm sure.

The PDF is indeed filled with "bloat" caused by fragmented images (images that include/overlap text just to form a proper square or rectangle object). PreFlight failed to complete several times when I tried to merge these fragments. I will try Maury's idea and split the file into 3month sections and see if I can't get it to work that way - merging them back into one before IA processing. But that won't be until Sat. nite - all this effin snow is killing my schedule.

As for NY girls, you'll have to expierence them yourself - you'd never believe me otherwise. :) -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We should have been looking for Scribner's Monthly or Century illustrated monthly![edit]

Sorry for posting this here but thought that this would help. Started this new section because I was confused until I read our own (WS) notes on Scribner's which led me to search IA. The magazine & stories that Hesperian wants appears under the name of Century illustrated monthly on the cover but, inside it says Scribner's Monthly. (Volume 12, 1876) There are several articles in it by Henry James. I really hope it helps.— Ineuw talk 01:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Lord - please let that be a suitable substitute. I'd gladly swap covers / pages as needed rather than deal with the entire mess found in the linked GooBoo PDF. Please report back either way. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My word! How very clever of you Ineuw! Thank you very much. George, at first glance it appears this is the solution — sorry for wasting your time, and yours too Maury and Ineuw — I will take it from here and should any internal issues arise I will try to give you a break and overcome them myself. Hesperian 01:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll freeze what I have until further notice. PLEASE do not hesitate to reach out if you need further help with this new avenue to hosting the work however. Let us know what happens regardless. Prost. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Google gives me no access so I can't match the contents. However, you can see the IA copy if there stories you want are there. Besides, every Google donation to IA is missing the images. If it's the right copy, and you say "Go", I can download the .jp2 file for hi-res images for cleaning & upload to the commons.— Ineuw talk 02:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ineuw. It is definitely the right file; I just need to check the completeness and correctness of the scan. If it is good enough then I'll be using it. Hesperian 02:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're most welcome and let me know about the .jp2 images.— Ineuw talk 02:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


File is missing two pages: 900 and 901. I've uploaded it as is because there are 900 pages there that we can safely make a start on. Pretty sure I can muddle through the extraction and insertion of those missing pages over the next week or so, unless you wish to take it on, George? Ineuw, I am going ahead with this so if you are looking for an image cleaning project then go for it! Hesperian 10:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also missing 284 and 285. I didn't notice before because 288 and 289 are duplicated which brings it back into alignment. Hesperian 13:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I am downloading the .jp2. It's sort of a busman's holiday.— Ineuw talk 17:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm extracting the missing 4 pages into 4 PDFs to manipulate as needed. --- George Orwell III (talk) 22:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks George; that was extremely helpful. I've inserted those pages now and hopefully I'm right in thinking the file is ready "to be proofread". Hesperian 10:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


I am looking forward to seeing how well George does with those smaller files. He excels in what he does and I learn by watching him. I believe he can succeed in anything he tries and partly because he doesn't quit. He is a very determined fellow who apparently dislikes any failure. I admire such a trait. The end goal is to place those files on WS. The Saga continues. ... —Maury (talk) 05:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commons image location[edit]

Hesperian, I uploaded the first 30 imges into this newly created Commons category. Usually, its where I keep the .djvu file. I hope this helps. — Ineuw talk 05:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Ineuw, you really do bring life into those old scans! They're beautiful and highly detailed. It looks like you perfect each one as far, or perhaps further, than they have ever previously existed. Amazing..... - not a new experience for your work though. —Maury (talk) 06:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ineuw! [3] :-) Hesperian 07:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Daisy Miller, A Study[edit]

Daisy Miller, A Study

Done —Maury (talk) 18:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Maury! (and Billinghurst) I hope you enjoyed it. I've nominated this one for a featured text. Hesperian 04:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Images relevant to particular articles of your interest[edit]

Hi. Uploaded another batch, and thought that it may be better if you tell me the range of .djvu numbers you are going to proofread and transclude, and I will clean those first. I can work in any order.— Ineuw talk 01:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ineuw. I've proofed both stories, and neither one was illustrated! However in making the landing pages I needed to transcribe and partially transclude the first page of issue Number 4 (Page:Scribner's Monthly, Volume 12 (May–October 1876).djvu/455) and the first page of issue Number 5 (Page:Scribner's Monthly, Volume 12 (May–October 1876).djvu/615). Both of those pages have {{missing image}}s that it would be nice to fix. Other than that your image cleaning is benefiting some unknown future proofreader! Hesperian 02:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Ineuw talk 03:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, thanks! Hesperian 03:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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