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Hi Benn, this is just for you!

Hello, Newmanbe/Archives/2006, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. If you need help, see our help pages (especially Adding texts and Wikisource's style guide). You can discuss or ask questions from the community in general at the Scriptorium. The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page.

--Danny 00:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Author:Swami Vivekananda


Thanks for your suggestion, but I have already added several articles under Author:Swami Vivekananda/.... ,
I am not sure how easy it is to move the articles and I am not good in scripting to do this :(
I will try to figure out a solution, if I find it tough then I will continue the way it is, thanks
for you suggestion.
--Nvineeth 05:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the renaming of the page I am still confused because, The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda is compilation of all the speeches and writings of Swami Vivekananda, so I thought they will be apt under the author page, is there any guideline which can clarify doubts like this? Also moving the contents to The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda will leave the author page empty.. Can you pls clarify this dilemma :) Regarding the source, few of them are scattered around the web, even though has the collection of all the works, the html pages have obfuscated disallowing copying and making it unsearchable from search engines ( a examination of the meta info of html pages reveals it ). So I am adding the pages to wikisoure which is the best place making it easily accessible to people and making it easily searchable, also since the author has expired more than 100 years ago, there aren't any copyright issues, all his works belong to public domain... moreover I feel that everyone should read and benifit from it :) --Nvineeth 06:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think my doubt is clarified, the The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda not only includes the works of swami vivekananda, but also works from his contemporaries, so i think its better to move it to a separate page, and add a link from the author page .... you are right, thanks for your suggestion. --Nvineeth 06:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the interwiki link correction --Nvineeth 05:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Blanking pages to be speedy deleted

Hello Newmanbe. Please don't blank pages when you tag them for speedy deletion, as that means administrators have to look through the history to know what the page contained. :) —[admin] Pathoschild 06:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Not for general discussion?

Hi newmanbe:

I'm new at this...and was trying to create a page for discussion of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. I noticed you tagged it for "Speedy Deletion" because Wikisource is not for general discussion.

If the discussion tab is not for discussion, what is it to be used for?

Thanks. Just trying to figure this out.


It is for discussion of the work as it relates to Wikisource (id est, supporting Wikisource's primary mission of collecting source texts [from What Wikisource includes]). --Benn Newman 02:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Most of the titles I just checked-out that had discussion pages were all general discussion. Some had info concerning the work and the edition, but most were just general discussion about the work. That's why I thought the discussion tab was for that kind of discussion.

Too bad, could be a great learning tool to be able to discuss the works that way. Do you know if there's a place to have a general discussion about a Wikisource book? --mld

There may be discussion about what the edition or source of a text is — ideally, every page would. If you want to make material that could be used in a school (still not general discussion), you can look at Wikiversity. You can also try the rest of the World Wide Web. :) --Benn Newman 02:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for jumping in. This is an interesting thought that relates to how our project may be put to use in general. My initial thought it that there really should be no problem with focused discussion of a specific page or chapter from a text on its talk page, even if that discussion is not directly relevant to editing that page or chapter.
In Wikipedia, for instance, even though the main purpose of an article's talk page is to discuss how to improve the article, people nevertheless see no problem with asking focused questions on the topic of the article or making otherwise serious comments about it. Maybe we actually shouldn't be too strict about this. It would be a nice way to encourage the study of our texts, and is far more direct and relevant than a unit at Wikiversity would be.
Noneless, I agree with you on Tom Sawyer. A general discussion of the book has a more direct place in its Wikipedia article or maybe at Wikiversity. Dovi 20:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

My Life's Adventure

Hello, and welcome to Wikisource. We appreciate your contribution of the text My Life's Adventure, but in general we cannot accept copyrighted material. Please see Wikisource:Copyright for more information on this topic, or generally, Wikisource:Policies and guidelines. Please do not remove the copyright violation notice placed in the text or repost the suspected infringing material. Prior to removal, suspected copyright infringing texts will be discussed on Wikisource:Possible copyright violations. You are invited and encouraged to participate in the discussion. Thank you.

--Benn Newman 00:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, but I've been around for ages. I will respond at that page. Hesperian 02:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Two Years Before the Mast

Thanks for the markup on my first upload of Two Years Before the Mast. I am going to upload the rest of the chapters eventually, so now I can follow your markup example. •DanMS 00:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • P.S. Chapter IV had a footnote in it, which I added. Would you please check it and make sure the format is correct. It seems to display correctly as an endnote—although in the original book it was a footnote. •DanMS 00:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Footnotes really only work in page based mediums. On Wikisource, footnotes are usually just converted to endnotes of the section that they are referenced by. You did it correctly. Thank you for your work. --Benn Newman 00:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Emily Dickinson

On WS:BOTR you asked for removal of subcategories of Category:Emily Dickinson from texts. However, the category page itself is flagged for deletion, and the discussion concluded, in essence, "delete them all". So, just to make sure, which one would you like:

  • Removal of all categorisations beginning with Emily Dickinson?
  • Conversion of all categorisations beginning with Emily Dickinson to the Emily Dickinson root category, removing duplicates?
  • something else?

--GrafZahl 13:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless you read Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006/09#Category:Emily_Dickinson differently, I'd say delete them all. —Benn Newman (AMDG) 14:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
OK.--GrafZahl 15:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Littell's Living Age

Hello newmanbe, I have a few questions in regard to the changes you made to Dutch Guiana. Firstly, the removal of the full stop/period after the Roman numeral in the titles of the different pages. I used the full stop/period in the title because (from what I understand) it was the usual method of punctuation in the Victorian Age after a Roman numeral, like it's still done in German.

Secondly, the moving of parts I to IV to their own 'submap.' I don't see why this would be desirable/necessary, since by definition only one part of the work appears in one issue of LLA, and since the separate issues appear in their own 'submaps,' I do not see what is gained from moving Dutch Guiana - Part III. from ../Volume 128/Issue 1658/Dutch Guiana - Part III. to ../Volume 128/Issue 1658/Dutch Guiana/Part III or Dutch Guiana - Part IV. from ../Volume 129/Issue 1666/Dutch Guiana - Part IV. to ../Volume 129/Issue 1666/Dutch Guiana/Part IV.

If the changes were made on account of the rules of Wikisource, I'd be happy to make the adjustments in my future additions to LLA. This would however make it quite a bit more work ... especially moving every separate part of a work to their own individual 'submap,' the full stop/periods much less so.

Anyway, I hope I made sense, I tend to have a bit of trouble expressing myself in English at times, that's why I tend to stick to contributing other people's work to Wikisource, rather than my own to Wikipedia :D Dedden

Sorry, I didn't know about the Roman numeral rule. I don't think you have to change from ../Volume 129/Issue 1666/Dutch Guiana - Part IV. to ../Volume 129/Issue 1666/Dutch Guiana/Part IV., the former is more like the standard naming scheme (it looks less out of place with the rest of Wikisource).
No need to apologize, I appreciate comments from someone with a fresh look. And I think I will from now on remove the full stop/period from the end of the page title. However, if possible, I would appreciate it if you could place the 'Parts' back in their parent folders (sans .), it might look a bit weird, but it really makes more sense with magazines like LLA. Then I'd be able to correct the linking pages at the same time as removing the full stop/periods.
On a side note; I saw in your profile that you're involved with poetry on Wikisource, and I was hoping you could help me with something. There's quite a lot of poetry in LLA magazines, and I was wondering how to categorize these? If I just add Category:Poems, the poems show up with their full pathname in the index, which just looks bad, would you happen to know a way to make just the title of the poem show up in the index?
For any category: [[Category:Category name|Index]]. That will organise them by the index, but will not remove the rest of the title. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 12:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Hi Benn, thanks for welcoming me! And a quick question if you don't mind: why some poems are included within categories and some, like Yeats', are not? or some (few) also appear on the lists such as Wikisource:Poetry/Modern/Titles. What's the best way of organizing nowadays :) - Introvert 02:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Because we are really bad at organising things lazy. :) Categories are easy enough, if you know which one you want to use, but the indexes pages take more work to update, and often they are not. The best way would be to use both. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 03:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Benn, will try and do my best, at least on the easy part. Have yet to figure out the indexes. - Introvert 22:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

George W. Bush

HI. I would like to recretae Bush's page as Dubya, 'cause it's his real name. I like it, and I'M STICKIN' TO IT! 22:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 22:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you ina bad mood today? 22:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

GET A LIFE, AND RESPOND TO ME! 22:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

NOW! 22:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, 'cause that's not his real name. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 22:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yu annoyed yet? 22:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Just kidding. I'll stop now alright? 22:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Can i kill you yet? Your getting to annoy me, Mr.Newman? Drini 22:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hand-book of Volapük

Hi! I am trying to adapt this text to the format of the English wikisource. It comes from an online source, and the html codes didn't always translate well. Besides, I see you've marked it as a text that needs to be split in several sessions. I've had some experience in the German and Italian wikisources (where I'm also trying to put books about Volapük), and I see each place has slightly different rules and habits. Of course, I'd appreciate all the help and wisdom others are willing to share. In this case -- what are the guidelines for splitting texts? Is there a maxmal size? What is the procedure for dividing texts (templates, format, details etc.)? Also, if you could tell me in how many ways (other than the obvious transfer errors) this text does not fit the Wikisource standards, that would help me knowing what to fix. (Suggestions about how to do it are also welcome!) --Smeira 01:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I was going to tell you that we try not to use HTML, then I looked at the work closer; I'm not sure exactly how you would want to format it. There isn't a specific maximum size limit, the software recommends no more than 32kb because some browsers have trouble editing more than that. Texts are usually divided in the form Work/Chapter #, but as this work does not seem to have chapter numbers, you'd probably just have to use names. I think the formatting errors are really the main problem right now. (I'm sure I'll think of some more in the morn'. ;)) --Benn Newman (AMDG) 02:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Declaration of the Breakdown of Chile’s Democracy

I think it is not fair nor democratic to delete an important page without providing clarification about the reasons, this comment is valid in general for all deletions on Wikipedia.

In particular you deleted this page alleging it was copyrighted material, but you don't say who holds the copyright and also you don't say how comes an official document as the "Agreement of the Chamber of Deputies of Chile of August 22, 1973" is copyrighted.

I would like to know how to report misuse of admin rights to someone at wikipedia, maybe you can help... unsigned comment by Gobbo712 (talk) .

The reasons are at Wikisource:Possible copyright violations. I do not know whether the works of the government of Chile are copyrighted, and I did not need to because José Piñera, as the translator holds the copyright. I am not very familiar with the administrator policy at Wikipedia, so I cannot help you there. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 21:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Emily Dickenson's "There Is A Word".

You said that you didn't understand my changes to this classic poem. The changes I made presented the actual, real, and correct poem without the severe spelling errors and missing content. What don't you get?


Actually, I renamed it, too.. See: Image:Header screenshot (split tutorial).png. I'm sorta in the process of creating a help file for splitting texts. -- SatyrTN 23:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! When you get a chance, maybe you can review what I've put together for Help:Split_texts? -- SatyrTN 23:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Chapters getting Their Own Page?

I was looking for someones opinion on this. I'm working on adding some of Augustine's books to wikisource but would like to know if the chapters should get there own page or just sections. I like the way The Confessions of Saint Augustine turned out with just sections for the chapters. Since the source for The City of God has it listed the chapters as individual pages I'm not sure if it will be such a good thing to use sections rather than pages for that book. Each chapter is really short and I think it would make for easier navigating through the book if they were posted in sections. I just don't want to go over the 32kb max standard which a few of the books from The Confessions of Saint Augustine happened to do...but they were only slightly bigger the 32kb. What do you think? Pbarnes 00:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at it before — the chapters are really more like paragraphs. The 32kb is really only a recommendation. I think just splitting it by section is fine. --Benn Newman (AMDG) 02:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Chapter naming

One more thing, the titles for each chapter are fairly lengthy sentences. For example, the first chapter of book 14 is called

 1. Of the two lines of the human race which from first to last divide it.[1]

Should I make the first chapter always be the first section and not include a number because the content box does that automatically or should I do something different? See The City of God/Book I. Pbarnes 23:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)