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Tech News: 2018-40[edit]

17:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Encrypted PDF of PD book[edit]

The text of this book: [5] is out of copyright (Author:George Bramwell Evens, died 1943) but is only available as an encrypted PDF to "borrow". Does anyone have suggestions for uploading it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Two points:
  • The original work is PD in the UK by the 70 pma rule, but it is PD in the US, as it was first published in 1932?
  • The copy you link to is a 2002 edition, so it's hardly surprised that access is restricted, if it contains copyrighted modern material.
BethNaught (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
not renewed here [6]; [7]; [8]; [9]; [10]; [11] and no hits at (after 1978 renewal) = i would say PD-US no renewal - do not see a 1932 scan at Internet Archive; i see there is a copy of 1946 edition at Drew University in New Jersey, and Michigan State University, i can drive down and scan a copy [12] - name your price. Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
The 2002 edition contains, AFAICT (and I'll check against my paper copy once I can access it), no new material. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I see no evidence that it was ever published in the US, so the URAA would have made it publication+95 in the US, or in copyright in the US until 2028.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
we can have that discussion on commons. Slowking4SvG's revenge 16:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Licence check: anonymous 1929 Australian article[edit]

Please can someone advise what licence should apply to this anonymous 1929 article, published in Australia: Examiner (Launceston, Tasmania)/1929/"A Romany in the Fields"? If there's a URAA issue, should it be moved to the Canadian site? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

{{PD-anon-1996|1929}}billinghurst sDrewth 14:26, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvu[edit]

Text OCR cleaned up, anyone want to Proofread? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Problematic PDF: The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912[edit]

There is a problem with File:The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912.pdf; please see c:Commons:Village pump#Problem with PDF, and advise if you can. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Some of the PDFs are overly compressed for display in Mediawiki. I think that either @Mukkakukaku, @Hrishikes: has fixed some of these previously, I cannot remember whom. We had one in the past couple of months that should be in the archives. We have a section further up to park broken files, for whatever reason. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: -- Yes check.svg Done . OCR is not there, however. If you insist on OCR layer, then I'll do some more experiment. Hrishikes (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes: Working well now, thank you, What did you do to fix it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
The file was in pdf 1.5 format with compression. I resaved it in pdf 1.4 format without compression. Hrishikes (talk) 02:48, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I guess it was a similar problem as --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams/Amounts[edit]

Mangled page numbers. It seems someone needs to rethink the module, so it is in fact COMPATIBLE with Proofread page, as currently once you are inside a section generated using {{aligned table}} the automatically generated page numbers aren't displayed correctly (Long term issue). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

As has been discussed for an extended period, within templates put the table row markers at the beginning, rather than at the end. I have never understood why people close with a row open statement, especially at the end of a table, an extra row marker is like "why?" — billinghurst sDrewth 11:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
As an extra comment, the template itself says that this is problematic for page numbering, and it is your choice to continue to use the template. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I know.. Sometimes it would be nice to have long term solutions, (It was me that documented the incompatibility originally). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:38, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
The fix you suggest about row openings would need to be made in Module:Aligned table, All other table handling in the work is based on that template. I'm using it rather than direct table syntax because of concerns about transclude limits for table rows.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, which is why I haven't fixed it. I can fix templates, LUA is beyond my capacity, or maybe that is my patience-level. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Same here. I'll consider if a different approach might work. The work will need to be split into sections anyway.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:33, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-41[edit]

23:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Google Books PDF[edit]

What's the best way to upload the PDF available here - do we have a tool for that, like ia-upload? Note that it includes a Google Books cover sheet. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: -- It can be done with url2Commons tool. Hover the cursor over the "Ebook - Free" notice, then right click the pdf option and copy the link address. Use this as the url in the first box of url2Commons. Use the main Google Books address as the source url in the second box. OAuth authorization will be required. OAuth often shows failure in case of this tool. It is false failure. Keep the OAuth screen as it is and go to the tab having the tool window to complete the transfer. If you want to remove the frontsheet, you will need to download, edit and re-upload. Hrishikes (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes: Thank you. The simulation failed, complaining about an invalid URL. I trimmed the "?" and everything after it, and then the simulation worked, but the upload failed with " ERROR: null". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: -- c:File:A Discourse on the Emigration of British Birds.pdf -- Hrishikes (talk) 16:19, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

BHL IDs[edit]

The w:Biodiversity Heritage Library is a rich source of out-of-copyright texts, and a good ally for Wikimedia projects. We store BHL author IDs in Wikidata, as P:4081. Can we add these IDs to {{Authority control}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks like a change to Module:Authority control, which seems rather straight-forward. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: -- Yes check.svg Done . It needed change in the module, not the template. Hrishikes (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Looks like it's working; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Notable printers[edit]

The plate at Page:The birds of Tierra del Fuego - Richard Crawshay.djvu/180 (like others in the same work) was printed by West Newman & Co. I have created a Wikidata item for that company, d:Q57166684. What's the best way to link them? I've used {{Reasonator}}, for now, but am open to counter suggestions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

We have created portals for some publishers, no problem for doing that for printers, though that has usually been for complete works. If it is just the images, then maybe Commons alone is sufficient. No need to replicate what is done better elsewhere. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Two-page table[edit]

The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - table from pages 92 + 93.jpg

I should be grateful if someone could verify the table on Page:The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912.pdf/114, which also incudes data from Page:The Migration of Birds - Thomas A Coward - 1912.pdf/115, and advise on formatting. I have created a single image, above, to aid this.

Is this the best way to show a table which runs horizontally over two pages? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

For maps and tables that spread, it does sound best to handle them on one page, and comment on the second. It is one of the adaptations that makes sense to me. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Match and Split bot[edit]

As reported by both @Jasonanaggie and @Beleg Tâl on Wikisource:Bot requests, the Match and Split functionality is not currently working. Going to @Phe-bot's page ( says match_and_split robot is not running. Please try again later. @Phe has been pinged at least twice about this. -Einstein95 (talk) 20:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

He has been active on another wiki recently, I have asked there if he was no longer supporting the tool whether it is something that we can migrate. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

RFC: Automating "Wikipedia" link in Header if WD main topic is activated[edit]

I have been tromping through transcluding and WD'ing Dictionary of Indian Biography which has been proofread, though predominantly, not transcluded. Quite a number have Wikipedia articles, and it is pretty tiresome to transclude, then add WD, and identify whether they have a main subject link, then have to go back to the biographic article again. Whereas where I have added "main subject" to d:Q57008414, it would be my preference if the database pulled and automagically added the Wikipedia link, rather than the extra edit.

I am trying to identify any downsides to such an approach, and apart from wrong additions (which can equally happen here. About the only one that I can identify is if someone added more than one main subject, where we would be forced to choose one (if rank preferences where used), or maybe choose none, though mark as problematic and needing resolution. Otherwise, I am unable to identify major stumblings.

@Samwilson, @Mike Peel: from your WD experience, I am guessing that this is a relatively easy data pull. [Mike this happens through {{plain sister}} which is embedded within {{header}}, and in the main ns is an indirect pull as it is a many to one relationship, unlike {{author}} which plain sister does as a straight pull of the interwiki data).

So I am seeking the community opinion on

  1. their thoughts on automating the linking;
  2. any hurdles for implementation; and
  3. the technical aspects for implementation.

Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:37, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

(comment) I think you mean this property? --Mukkakukaku (talk) 17:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


My first comment is that there already many links in place for Wikipedia, so as we have done for other migrated data, where the the parameter is implemented within the existing header it overrides any WD data pull. This approach allows projects to work out what they wish to do with their data. This allows us to identify where we have overrides in place (current situation for images and dates of life). — billinghurst sDrewth 11:43, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I can't see any issues where the data item will have a single "main subject" for biographical articles, but aren't there situations where we would pull information that isn't suitable, say for non-biographical non-dictionary data items? Some books will have a "main subject", but the WP article of primary interest is actually the WP article about the book, and not the article about the book's subject. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    Fully agree about biographical/people. Maybe that is part of our decision-making process. If it is "edition" d:Q3331189 it should one path, if it is an article, it should follow another path. Let us try mapping these. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    This does not account for editions of articles though, nor articles which themselves have wikipedia articles. In my opinion, we should either a) have the article's wp link override the subject's wp link, or b) have two wp links (like how we have two commons links for gallery and category), or c) not use plain sister but perhaps have a special template for such cases. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 11:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    Not just "editions" but also versions pages and translations pages for works, which will have any of several possible values for "instance of" (novel, poem, short story, etc.) --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
    Further to this, there are some works with multiple "main subjects", and this will need to be accounted for. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    I am guessing that multiple main subjects is due to there being no single useful subject. To me, if one is given priority (higher ranking) then we show the preferred, if two are equal, maybe we ignore them., or maybe we flag them for review, and again not displayed. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    An alternative: create a wikidata item for the group of multiple subjects and link to that from the article. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 11:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    I think that this alternative happens from case 3 of flag as problematic, with an fix eventuating. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • The code for this is demo'd at User:Mike Peel/main topic - for Dictionary of Indian Biography/Aliverdi Khan, {{User:Mike Peel/main topic|qid=Q57008414}} will show Wikipedia, and if used without a QID then it will follow the page's sitelink. It should be straightforward to migrate this to Lua and to embed it into the appropriate templates directly (it's basically a couple of Lua module calls and an if statement - just written in parser functions rather than lua right now). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:00, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
    But, as noted above, this creates more than a few problems that have yet to be solved. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Index:Charlesjarrot nytimesarticle1907.jpg[edit]

I was just attempting to validate this single page article, but have encountered an issue where the source image text is cropped early. I found a link referencing back to the original source page ( where the complete text can be found.

I have added in the missing few lines of the article, would somebody be able to recreate the source image for this page using the above link so that it can be completed?

Thanks Sp1nd01 (talk) 14:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -Einstein95 (talk) 22:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Sp1nd01 (talk) 07:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)