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You said that there were 6 students in your year but I think you only named 5 of them? Harry Davis I said, yes (Fred Lafferty, Curro, Nutter and Charlton) Yup (and who was the 6th?) Long pause. I'm going to be terribly embarrassed later on when I remember it, but I'll come back to it. (there were no women students?) No no no, except in the following year there were the two women Ann Greenfield and the other lass, what was her name? No sorry, they were the year later again I think Paquita Day was one of the early ones in the year ahead with Blair Wilson, Paquita Day was ahead of us I think.
(So you have got a list of teachers that you remember, you've got Professor Cummings and Bruce Lucas, Athol Brentnal, John Hitch, Ron Voller, Jim Weller and Karl Langer. One thing I am kind of insterested in is how Cummings and Lucus talked togther, did they run Studios together as a team?) From memory, Prof usually took the design sort of aspect of it in the broad sort of thing, (Yes.) Bruce was mainly construction (Yes.) and (yes, I think later he was involved in teaching professional practise). Yes that's right, thats later in the course. (So I guess you have got a list of teachers there were they people who ran various years that you participated in?) Yes, although, say, somebody like John Hitch we had for more than one year, in fact he was the design lecturer, tutor Ron Voller on the other hand he was mainly first year and he told us how to use set squares and how to make sure that that set square was square and everything. We thought it was pretty humourous at the time but later on we realised that it was important. Laughter. (Was it Rod or Ron?) Ron. Yeah. Rod appeared later on in a very small way as far as we were concerned. Yeah. Ron is the bloke with the moustache. Yep. Yep.
(So what years did John Hitch run?) Well, I first came across him in probably, it must have been third year? Because actually what happened in third year, I think he looked round the class and thought that I was a likely lad and over the Christmas break, I got a job in the office and subsequently worked for my fourth year with Theo Thine & Associates (Right.) where John Hitch was a partner. (Yes.) And then later on I think he probably took us for design for the fourth and fifth year I think? (Right.) Yep. (So my understanding is that there is a period of time there that he was running the final year) Yes. (at the University of Queensland?). Yes. Yep. Subsequently, I think, Campbell Scott sort of slotted into the role I think. I don't know whether they worked together. No, I don't think they did because I think John Richard from down South. (Right. So Campbell taught perhaps in at the end of the 50's or early 60's perhaps?) We probably might have been going down at night perhaps (Right.) I'm not sure. (Yep.) I'm not sure. (Yep.)
(What about Karl Langer's role, was he?) Karl Langer was purely and simply town planning and certainly in our last year, I'm not sure whether there was a bit of a subject in fifth year as well but that's the only contact we had with Karl. (Was that run as as design studio? or was that run as a separate) Purely and simply as (As a subject) series of lectures and things. Yep. Yep.
(Just looking at your list of significant contemporaries, was Neville Lund one of those?) He was a man about our time but he was a year ahead of us. And some of the wording was meant by contemporary and what's read by significant, I wasn't too sure. Nev was a very keen student and a very serious, you know, practitioner of the course.
(I had the feeling that a lot of people who were students at that time were returned servicemen) Yes. (And they had their study interrupted by the war and sort of coming back) Yes. (and times were fairly loose in terms of education. Was that in your field or?) What do say loose? You mean the (Well, I suppose what I mean is that people were able to take up study much easier than subequently was the case) That, that could well be (I mean when I tried to Architecture because I didn't get senior physics, I wasn't allowed to go along a certain point) It just shows how ridiculous it was really. (and I had to stop and go and get senior physics so I could go on) I thought without knowing your detail, I'd say they probably leaned in deference to the blokes coming back in to give them a bit of a boost and fair enough, I think. Yeah. There were people like Baz Hatcher and there were probably about 4 or 5 that I can remember but can't remember their names. (Laughter).