2 INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PROPAQANDA IIe Ohen testified that MacGuire sug esteil that be gather 200 or 800 nien ud pry their exl>eilsesto tlre 811icago corivaitiun, the liur- pose king at the proper ~no~lielitto have these men recognize Butler ancl cleniwid tbnt he make u speecll alid that the11 Uutler was to illtlke tlic slweeli on bellalf of the gold standard, wllich lle suys hacl hen Iiai~cktito Iliin. \Yllen Uutler asked 3IutGt1ire, uccording to the hstia~ony,wllere tlle 111onej7 was coming froiu, Butler testified that BllrcGuire told llhi "that we have plenty of moiley and have hacl sonle god-sized contributions." - Butler then testified that lie saw hfacGnire again ant1 that Mac- Guire u1)pearcd in his hotel rooni in Newurk during the reunion of the TII-enty-ninth Division in Septenilror 1033 and while in Butler's rooiil took a wallet frcnil llis pocket, tllrew e bnncll of $1,000 bills oil the l)cti ant1 tliut when I311tler uskd liinl " IIOW1l111dlhoney lluve you got tllera ", MacGuire is alleged to have replied " $18 000 ", ant1 on further questioning is alleged to have told Butler that he got the ~uoneyfrom contributions the niglrt before and lias not had an olqn)rtn~lit-yto clelmsit tlle~uand wantcil to give theni to I311tler for liis Belp. Butler further test.ifie(1 tllat he told ~ac~bire,"~onYtyou try to give me any tllousand-dollar bill. Rerne~nber,I was a CO once. Every one of tlre nu~nberson these bills has been token. f know yoa people and what you are trying to .do. You are jnst trying to gct IIIC by tlict ~leck. If I try to ctrsll one of tllost! tliotismd-dollar bills, yoa wonltl liave ~i~e by the neck." 'h whidl MucGnire is ul- lcge(1 to ltuve replied, "IVe can cliange them into smaller de~io~ni: ni~tions." The comalittee llas learned that the reunion of the Twenty-ninth Division took place at Newark Saturday, Septen~ber16, and Sunday, Septeulber If, 1933, und ~nentitinsthese dates J this pint because tll~are iii1pol4mt. &w)r(liling to Dutlerystesti~i~ony,lie then urged 3facGoire to send one of the principals to him (Butler), as he realizecl thrt MacOuire was only an agent, and that MacGiuire agreed to send ltobert Sterlin Clurlr and explained to Butler that Clark had been in the Anny an hat1 known Butler in China, ancl that Clark had inherited millions. f l)cTorc! hiit(r(;~iir~left Nawurk, utx'ortling to I3utlc!r, lie toltl the general tliut tllcy were n~~xious" to sec the soldiers' hmus paid in gold. We don't want the soldier to lluve rubber money." I311tlertestified that dnring that meek he had a telepllone call from Clerk ancl tbut lie and his wife niet Clark at the railroad station in Pliiladel~liiathe following Sunday. 'rllut lie curried a bag, evi- tle~ltly])reparet1for traveling, and that they took to their home i~tiYowto~vnS(p~are,\t.hc~-etli~,yolI~tltt(!di~lfor~~ii~lly, Ilad 1111~clieo11, allcl that then Butler and Clark had r convel-sation. 13atler testified that tile question of the speecli which MacGuire lint1 left with lii~llcame 11p, and that Clark urged llim to make it arid iuliolig (Aller thiilgs, xuicl, " Yo~ii~nderstontljust Ilow we are Axed. I lrsre pot i3O lliillion ~OIIUMand T don't witnt to lose it. I an1 willing to s1~\11tlIrtdf of tllo 30 ~~lilliotito si~v~ tlla otllrr Ir:llf. If yo~~ go out ant1 mclkc this s~ntcr41in Cliic.i~go,I 11111 eerttliil that they will atlopt tlic ~-rsolulio~l:\nd tl~t\\.ill be oar step to~\.ar(lthe rc4urn to goltl, INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PBOPAGANDA C) to lnve soldiers stand un for it. We can get the soldiers to go out .- - in great bodies to stand ill).for it." Testi~nonythen shows that nntler claiiils he told Clark that 1% wonlil not go to Chicago, altlmoogh Clark offered the use of a private car; that 1le would not be li~ixctlup in it; that he took an oath to sustain tllc di~~cwrac.yant1 tllnt he \ro~lltl(10 that and notlling else nntl tlrtlt lie clit1 11ot l)rol)ose to ~wtsoldiers niurclling around and -- .- -..... . stirl-e(1t11>at~bo~ittlle Butler claiais tlld ronlo overtures regardin%$he niortga e on his lionie, 1)nt tlint after silowing Clark tlw flap, an- ners, t~kens of estWln, 21nd nieclt~lsof honor that he had weived, that lie felt confi:letit tl~atCl~lrkwoultl not discus the subject f nrther. 13ntter states ttl~utC1a1.k hesitated a few minutes and usecl tlis nntler t~leplioneto cull Mac4ui1-e at the Pallxier House stating: "General I3ntler is tie$ conling to the convention. He has given Ine his reasons and they rls excellent ones wuc! I almlo lze to him for nly connection wit11 it. I am not coming either. l'%can pub this tl~ingacros. Yml have. got $35,000. can send th~ felegrams. YOI~will have to (10 it that wa . 'l'llr genentl is not eomlng anti I can SW wliy. 1 goin r to d);nsda to rest. If yo~need me, you how where you cnn fin$ me. You have got enough money to go through with-it." Later the Butlers took Mr. Clark to the train and Butler stated that the bill for the tclephono call was ,aid by himself. l'lle Anioricun Legion convention in llicugo passed tlm resolution b endorsing tlle gold stundnrrl; and according to Butler, after the MacGuire stopped by to see llim and suggested that But- ler go to B&on to attend e veterans' dinner again for the purpose of atlvocating the gold standard, which the general says he refused to do. According to the nutler Wimony, he then dicl not henr from 3f~cOnil.elt~ltilhe received pwtal carcls froin Italy, Germa~ly,B %in, md Paris and was amazed in Aug~st1934 to get et call from hnc- Guire snying that he was coming oat to Philadelphia and would Butler nimt'him there. Butler stated that Ile did meet hfacGnire at the nellevne-Stratford Hotel ant1 11uB a very long talk with llinl while seated in an unnwd -. (lining 1-00111. In the course of this conversation, Butler stated that MacGuil-e told him that he went abrculd to study the pert that tl~ veterans play in the various governments over there. That Ile had gone to Italy and discovered that the veterans are tlre back ound of Mtlos* Ibi, but th~tthat sct-np would not (10 in the ~nite?~htcs. 3fac43uire, crccwrding to Butler, continued that he had gone to Gernlany to see what IIitle: was doing, and found that that situa- tion would not do in the Unitd States either, and thrt he had been in France, where he found just ex~ctl;ythe organization thrt we ou ht to have in this country and called it m or5anidonof super- .ofliars b~ttthak Butler did not remember t e Franch name for that orKa;iizatim. Butler further testified that MacGuire at that time told him that this French suporganization was co~nposedof about 500,000 men,
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