User talk:CyrMatt

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Again, welcome! --Jan Kameníček (talk) 08:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC) Thank you for the welcome! --CyrMatt (talk) 08:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Provenance?

Where are you getting the texts for Commentary and critical notes on the Bible? I peeked at a couple scanned books online and can't even identify which publishing date the texts might match? Any information you could put into Talk:Commentary and critical notes on the Bible? Shenme (talk) 00:13, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, the crosswire society has a module for this work. But when the contributor left the group we lost the place where he found the source. This text comes from https://www.sacred-texts.com/ I compared it with the module text and it's pretty good. Just in psalms some parts are missing. But sacred text has the introductions and crosswire not. CyrMatt (talk) 06:21, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Bible (Webster's)/Genesis

The thing you are going to want to do is fill out Index:Webster-Bible.pdf (specially pages 1 to 43). Then you can do the match-and-split part. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MJL

I tried the match but it fails asking for a djvu file. I found a djvu file, I tried to udpate it with https://ia-upload.wmcloud.org/ but it fails to!!

~ CyrMatt (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I just succeed to upload the djvu, can you help me to remove the pdf for the djvu?

Bible (Updated King James Version)

This needs to have its source and publication data added. Without a source, it cannot be hosted here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I have also started a discussion at Wikisource:Copyright discussions. This work may not be in the public domain. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @EncycloPetey, The author (see the preface) wanted to put directly their work in the Public domain. Is this not good? The date is 2000 as mentioned in the Preface. The preface mention also the permission to use this bible freely.

If we keep not this bible in wikisource it will be lost. I thought it could be hosted by wikisource like other community Bible projects that are also on wikisource and do not have a print edition because only available in their digital version (which is the case for the UKJV)

Example: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Interlinear_Greek_Translation:Bible CyrMatt (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

But where did this text come from? Where was it published? There is no publication information on the copy you added to Wikisource. Without that information, we cannot host it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

it comes from an old website, now down. I used archive.org tor backup it. I'm volunteer for the Crosswire bible society we had this bible in our sources with the "free copyright". Have look to the site: https://web.archive.org/web/20091020073044/http://geocities.com/updatedkjv/ CyrMatt (talk) 11:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, if this is an old website, then it does not meet the criteria for hosting on Wikisource. Wikisource does not archive web pages from sites like geocities. This looks like someone's personal project, and as such, we cannot host it here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

All works are personal no? CyrMatt (talk) 15:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Biblical commentary

Hi CyrMatt,

Biblical commentary the Old Testament/Volume III. Early Prophets/Job and Biblical commentary the Old Testament/Volume IV. Poetical Books/Proverbs are way way too large and are causing technical problems. I'm guessing many other pages within Biblical commentary are similarly large but just haven't happened to show up in the tracking categories I'm working on just now. Texts on Wikisource should be split up into roughly chapter-sized chunks. Something like 30–50 book pages, max, per wikipage; whether that happens to correspond with a chapter, or sub-chapter, or section, or whatever division best matches in the work as published. We can stretch those numbers a bit to match the divisions in the published book, but as a rule of thumb that should be where you start looking for a place to split it up. It's not a problem if some "chapters" are just one page, or five pages, or whatever. But somewhere north of that 30–50 page rule of thumb the sheer size is going to start causing problems, and will be inconvenient for most readers to navigate.

PS. When we make subpages, we use subpage names "Volume 1" and "Chapter 1", and don't use chapter or volume titles in the page names. The page structure for this work should probably be something like Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament/Volume 3/Chapter 1, or possibly even with another level of subpages Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament/Volume 3/Section 2/Chapter 1 since this work almost 2000 pages. It's a pain to work with nested page structures like this, but it's sort of necessary for these huge honkin' books. Xover (talk) 20:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Xover,

Thank you for the report. Do you know a way to do this manually? CyrMatt (talk) 17:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "manually". Transcluding pages is a mostly manual process. See Help:Transclusion for an overview. The short version is that for each division along the lines of the (red) links I outlined above you transclude the corresponding pages from the book. So if chapter 1 of section 2 of volume 3 ran from physical pages 14 through 56 in the book, you would transclude from=15 to=56 in Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament/Volume 3/Section 2/Chapter 1.

This all is quite confusing when you're new to it, so if you're having trouble wrapping your head around it you're in good company. Please do feel free to ask for assistance. Xover (talk) 09:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I just cut in two or three parts, before someone can do better the two books indicated as well as Genesis. Hope this help. If you find other books with problem, just report it here, I'll try to do it. CyrMatt (talk) 10:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hyphenation in the Old Testament Books of Bible (King James)

Hello CyrMatt,

Due to the peculiar nature of how Bible (King James) has been put together, in some places the displayed text is more faithful than the source text. For example, I noticed that you recently added the hyphens to the page-facing text of Judges 6:34 and 8:2. However, over at Bible (King James)/Judges, I've already added in those hyphens, and probably all the other hyphens that need added in at Judges. So if you're looking to find the hyphenated words in for a book such as Judges, all you'd need to do is just head over to Bible (King James)/Judges and Ctrl+F for "-", and you'd pretty quickly get all or nearly all the hyphenated words presented to you.

This is true for the Old Testament. I haven't yet made sure the hyphens are all showing up in the NT. And it's always possible I've missed some, so a second pair of eyes is always welcome.

If you're planning to replace the displayed text of Judges as it currently stands with transcluded text, it probably wouldn't hurt to make a run through for the hyphens first. Or, if you plan to do that and don't have the time to go hunting for all the hyphens, if there's any way you could give me a warning you're going to do it to a book, I could go through and "transfer" all the hyphens myself. I'm not completely familiar with all the terminology here on Wikisource, so I hope what I've said makes some kind of sense.

Anyhow, thanks for your edits to Bible (King James). It's good to see there's someone else out there working on it. MPlasky (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for this information. However I don't understand why the text is less reliable than the source. Nor what are the issues for the hyphens. Personally I collaborate on a biblical project of the Crosswire Society which proposes a module with the KJV. I took the opportunity to correct the errors that are also reported to us on Wikisource.

I take the opportunity to point out that the end of the Old Testament is still missing from Wikisource. We have the text up to Jeremiah, then the DC, and the New Testament. Do you have a complete source text? CyrMatt (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello CyrMatt,

I'm a relative new-comer to the KJV text project here, but the history is a little bit convoluted. Originally, when the KJV text here was assembled, Genesis was provided from an obscure Debian package, while the rest of the OT and NT were provided from a 1992 Project Gutenberg Bible, and the Apocrypha came ultimately from a 1987 electronic edition produced or distributed by the University of Pennsylvania.

The result of all this was a KJV text that didn't exactly match any single printed edition, with all sorts of typos and a few interesting deficits, like almost never including hyphens were it should. The original Wikisource text was thrown together in this haphazard way around 2004.

In 2007, someone announced, probably due to a misunderstanding of the history of the KJV text, that the Wikisource edition was the "1769 Oxford Standard Text". This wasn't true, but was displayed anyhow, possibly due to no one knowing better, and a widespread misconception that post-1769 KJV texts are all the same.

In 2017 and 2018, some users uploaded scanned "sources" consisting of the 1769 Blayney quarto for the Old Testament (not including Apocrypha) and a 1772 edition for the NT.

Lately, I've been trying to clean things up, and added hyphens throughout the Old Testament to the displayed text. I corrected probably nearly all instances of spelling and punctuation issues (about 335 places, not including pilcrows and italics) for the OT as well. I'm currently working on the Apocrypha, which appears to have about 900.

Things are a little bit messy here. There is now, as of 2023, a complete copy of the 1769 Blayney folio available online: [1].

(As a side note, I've been digging in a bit into comparing different editions of the KJV lately. If the Crosswire one is publicly available, I'd be interested in taking a peek at it to see how it compares with the other electronic KJV texts I've been looking at lately.)MPlasky (talk) 23:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)