started, Ken Cuccinelli from DHS showed up.
Q Okay.
A So there was swap-out there, but I think that was everyone in that meeting.
Q Okay. And, at this point, Mr. Donoghue, had DHS, the unit—I don't recall the acronym, the unit that examined the machines, had they done that work, or was that work in progress at this time?
A I think it was in progress at this point.
Q All right. Tell us about the discussion. What did the President say about the ASOG report or Antrim County, Michigan?
A So the President obviously was very much aware of the report. He was saying: Do you guys know about the tripped cord? Have you heard about this? This is a disaster. This is unbelievable, a 68-percent error rate. How could this be? He was going on about the Dominion machines and the Dominion software. He correctly noted that this stuff was widely used across the United States.
And, at that point, the hand recount had not been completed, and we did not have the feedback from CISA, C-I-S-A. And so we essentially said to him, Mr. President, we are aware of it. Yes. We all agree that, if there's a 68-percent error rate with Dominion voting machines, that we have a huge problem on our hands. But let's not jump to conclusions. Let's find out if this is accurate.
And, in a way, luckily, the hand recount had already been ordered and I think was already underway. And so I recall Ken Cuccinelli saying: Look, there's a hand recount underway. It's going to take 48 or 72 hours. When that's done, we will know because that's the gold standard, and we'll compare the hand recount results to what the machine said, and we'll know what the error rate really is. And, if it's 68 percent, you know, then we'll figure it out. But, right now, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
