User:Dream Focus

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Editing the Rape article on Wikipedia, I removed a link to some rape porn which someone had added to it. Going to that article, I found the entire book is on Wikisource, so came here to question that. Since someone had already had a question about the book in question, I just posted my question there. [1] I am curious where the rules are listed at, and who decides what sort of thing can be included. Is it every single thing ever written, even if it promotes hatred and violence against others, encouraging and glorifying criminal behavior? Dream Focus (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Update: archive linked is [2] Dream Focus (talk) 09:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

My suggested guideline change[edit]

At [3] I suggested a guideline change.

Suggest guidelines[edit]

Keep the current system for anything of historical or educational value. For fictional works whose only purpose is entertainment, I suggest we make a certain rule.

  1. If the entire story is nothing more than pornography, and it glorifies kidnapping, torture, brainwashing, and rape of women, encouraging all the young perverts out there to do so themselves, telling them its alright because she'll enjoy it and thank you later, and keep coming back for more, then it shall not be allowed.

I do not believe things such as The Way of a Man with a Maid have any reason to remain here. Regular pornography I have no problem with, as long as it does not glorify and thus encourage rape.

Dream Focus (talk) 10:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Donations a bit misleading[edit]

"Do you want to donate to something that adds to the educational qualify of life? Poor children can't get access to this any other way."

"They can afford a computer and internet access. That's way more expensive than a set of encyclopedia."

"Yes, but we're easier to find information through, and give far more information about worthy topics."

"What? I thought most of Wikipedia was just articles covering entertainment, comic book characters and popular cartoons."

"Yes, most articles are entertainment only. Among the educational ones, the sex articles are the most popular by far. We also preserve historical publications in Wikisource."

"Oh, that sounds nice."

"The most popular articles that people access are pornography. Would you like to make a donation to allow quick and free hosting for pornographic material? Think of all the poor children in oppressed countries that can't get access to this by any other means!"

Seriously. Seems like a reason for many nations to block access to Wikipedia or at least Wikisource entirely, some nations blocking access to any website that host porn in any form. Dream Focus (talk) 10:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


To educate and to entertain[edit]

The regular Wikipedia has:

  • Things covering real life(notable people, events, locations, inventions, math, science, etc.)
  • Things covering fictional entertainment media(comic book characters, anime, television episodes for a series, etc.)

Those who donate thinking they are helping with the educational part, having seen the pie chart stats showing that most people just access articles about anime, comic books, and sex articles. Don't remember where I saw the actual list at. http://stats.grok.se/ shows which articles got the most hits each month though. I don't see any summaries of year by year unfortunately.

Wikisource can be put into things that exist to educate people, and those that exist solely to entertain:

  • Educational material(speeches of notable people, historic publications, textbooks out of copyright, etc)
  • Entertainment, any out of copyright publications.

I have nothing against the entertainment aspects, as long as we don't use "free speech" as an excuse for anarchy. I'd like those who donate the Wikipedia to be able to decide whether they wish to support everything, or just certain things, what group of servers their money would go to buy and maintain. Have to put things on different machines for that purpose of course. Give them a list.

  1. Articles of of non-educational commercial products that come out, such as books(fiction), toys, video games, comic books, cartoons, movies, etc. so people can learn about this without having to see an ad banner to cover the cost.
  2. Articles of all educational things such as books(non-fiction), historical figures, noteworthy events, science, math, catalog of every species in existence, etc.

And those who support the entertainment things can decide whether or not this includes full text of pornographic stories on Wikisource. Dream Focus (talk) 10:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)