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Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource

See also Wikisource:Scan lab

Poems of cabin and field

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Latest comment: 25 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Should be moved to Poems of Cabin and Field as the title itself is capitalized as that. Nighfidelity (talk) 12:37, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Other discussions

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Tech News: 2026-35

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Latest comment: 22 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion

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OCR tool not working

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Latest comment: 22 days ago4 comments4 people in discussion

The OCR tool is not working for me. It returns the following error.

Error from the OCR tool: Image URL must be for one of the following domain names: upload_wikimedia.org and uploadwikimedia-betawmflabs.org Chrisguise (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm getting the same. I've had that (or something similar before) but it cleared shortly after. -- Beardo (talk) 19:10, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Same for everyone everywhere it would seem; it has been flagged and will apparently be fixed in a few hrs: phab:T436551 Psephos (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Tech News: 2026-36

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DjVu failing for me for the first time

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Latest comment: 22 days ago5 comments4 people in discussion

I began proofreading Index:Anaximander and the Origins of Greek Cosmology (1960).djvu for this month's MC, then suddenly lost the ability to see pages from the scan. Purging / refreshing has not helped. This is the first time this has happened for a DjVu, and (as I say) it was working until a few minutes ago. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:22, 1 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Wishlist 2027, invitation to share feedback

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Latest comment: 26 days ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Hi, I’m Sonja and I lead some of the teams at the Foundation who will be responsible for picking up wish work under the new wishlist process.

As you may know, the Community Wishlist started out as an annual process through which Wikimedia contributors submit and vote on technical improvements they would like the Wikimedia Foundation to work on. The main goal of it is and has been to improve the editing experience by making changes and features the community asks for specifically.

In recent years, the process behind the wishlist has changed, and we’ve heard from many of you that it no longer meets many community members’ needs. So now, the Foundation is designing a new process with the community to improve how wishes are triaged, voted on, and prioritized in a way that is transparent, balanced across project families and language editions, and takes into account what the Foundation can deliver.

I would like to get community input specifically on these three stages of the Wishlist process:

  • The triage stage, meaning how wishes are fleshed out, organized and filtered prior to voting
    • We recommend to have a working group, including volunteers from various wikis and Wikimedia Foundation staff to work through this together
  • The voting stage, including who may vote and how votes are structured
  • The post-vote stage, including how to bring equity into what work is prioritized
    • One way to do this is to rank wishes within 3 categories: Large Wikipedias or covering all wikis, small and medium-sized Wikipedias, and sister projects, so that top-voted wishes from smaller projects also get attention

This message is an abstract of the full proposed process. As you read the proposed ideas on Meta (available in your language), please speak up about whether you think this will work well or if there are ways to make it stronger.

Regarding the timeline, this consultation is open for two weeks. You can post your feedback on Meta (in your preferred language) or in response below.

For this year’s cycle, we plan to have the wish submission period in late October/early November and the triage process completed by late November. To respect the end-of-year holiday season, voting would happen in early to mid January. This first voting cycle is meant as a first step to try out a new process, and there will be more opportunities to provide feedback along the way, so that we can figure out the best process for future years together.

SPerry-WMF, delivered by Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:52, 1 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Thank you to everyone who engaged in the discussion around the proposal from August 26. We've processed your feedback and made changes accordingly. Note that we weren’t able to implement all of it for this cycle, mostly for logistical reasons, but this is merely meant to be a first step and we will continue to improve this process with you all before we run through the next cycle. We plan to use this updated version for the Wishlist 2027, and we look forward to hearing from you all during the submission and voting periods.
SPerry-WMF, delivered by Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Book subtitle

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Latest comment: 29 days ago6 comments3 people in discussion

Hi, I added "book subtitle" in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json, and it can now be added in indexes. But it doesn't display, e.g. Index:David-Neel - My Journey to Lhasa.pdf or My Journey to Lhasa/Introduction. Any idea? Thanks, Yann (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

May need to be added to Module:Proofreadpage index template? --YodinT 11:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, the module controls what is displayed. The json only controls the forms that are in the page.
I've added the option to the module. — Alien  3
3 3 21:03, 12 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Alien: Thanks, but something is still missing. The subtitle doesn't display either here or here. Yann (talk) 20:49, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
You asked for a subtitle parameter to indexes. Adding it to mainspace pages is a whole other question. — Alien  3
3 3 17:29, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Well, what would be the point to have them in indexes if subtitles do not display in pages? Yann (talk) 17:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Tech News: 2026-37

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WikiProject Organized Labour

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Latest comment: 22 days ago3 comments3 people in discussion

From 1 to 30 September 2026, a month long online community editing event dedicated to all topics covered under WikiProject Organized Labour including strike actions, trade unions, labor law, union busting etc.

This edit-a-thon is inspired by the Wiki Workers United campaign and shows its solidarity by improving coverage of union-related topics across the different wiki projects in a policy compliant manner.

— m:Event:WikiProject Organized Labour Month Online Campaign

For anyone who wants to contribute to this WikiProject here on English Wikisource, I have created a local project page at Wikisource:WikiProject Organized Labour Month Online Campaign. —Beleg Âlt BT (talk) 14:07, 8 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I linked to the scans of the fundamental conventions as published in the UN Treaty Series. One other topic might be collecting primary source material on various strikes (e.g. Lowell, Pullman, Homestead, Lawrence, 1926 General strike, etc.) MarkLSteadman (talk) 20:23, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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WSExport

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Latest comment: 5 days ago8 comments3 people in discussion

I haven't seen any other discussions of this here, so just to say it seems the WSExport tool for exporting ebooks, etc. is currently down. --YodinT 10:51, 9 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Now fixed. --YodinT 09:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Great. And even the .pdf is now working, which it hadn't for quite a while. -- Beardo (talk) 17:48, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

This problem appears to be back again. I got a report (see ticket:2026092710006585) and when trying the same, PDF export fails for me as well. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:50, 7 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I too have found the .pdf export failing again recently. -- Beardo (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Epub seems to be working fine, but I'm also getting a 503 error when trying to export as pdf. Have raised this on the Phab task. @AFBorchert are you saying that pdf export is not working for you at OTRS, or here, or both? --YodinT 09:57, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Yodin: This is a misunderstanding. We have an open VRT (it is no longer called OTRS) ticket about PDF export not working at Wikisource. There is no such thing as an export function for VRT. I am just talking about Wikisource and I am one of the few who responds to VRT tickets related to Wikisource. Thanks for updating the phrabicator ticket. --AFBorchert (talk) 10:34, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Ah! I see, thanks for the clarification. --YodinT 10:46, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Latest comment: 17 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Among the sister projects links there is a link to a "Commons gallery", but it goes to the category of the work for some reason, while the Commons category link goes correctly to the category of this specific edition. There is no gallery related to this work or edition on Commons. Why is it happening? -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

This seems to be from Wikidata, probably because Letters from England is an "edition or translation of" (P629) Anglické listy. Module:Plain sister seems to get data from these items (P629) on line 143, but probably doesn't apply the same logic to them, as Anglické listy only has a Commons category, not a gallery. --YodinT 11:51, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Does anybody have any idea how to fix it? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:09, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Vandalism

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Latest comment: 22 days ago3 comments3 people in discussion

@~2026-49013-57 needs to get banned for doing vandalism like this. Eievie (talk) 16:42, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Done, thanks for the report. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Request for adjustment to Author module

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Latest comment: 17 days ago6 comments3 people in discussion

Hello all!

I am looking for consensus on adding a couple of new categories in Module:Author/data to assist in better disambiguation between various denominations of authors that are part of groups related to the Latter Day Saint movement (Portal:Mormonism).

I think it would be beneficial to make it so that there were individual author links (at least for the three larger movements)—Latter-day Saints (specifically the group that uses the hyphen and the lowercase "d", i.e. Portal:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), Community of Christ, and the Strangites. The views of these various denominations are so different that I don't think it is beneficial to lump them all under the same heading of "Category:Mormon authors." I think that Category:Mormon authors could be used for authors linked to Q747802 in wikidata, which could help encompass some of the smaller splinter groups unless enough works were found to warrant a new discussion in the future to change this further.

So I am specifically seeking consensus for the following changes:

(1) Change: "Q42504 = 'Mormon authors'," to "Q747802 = 'Mormon authors',"

(2) Add the following subs underneath that new section—

(2.1) Q42504 = 'Latter-day Saint authors'

(2.2) Q520362 = 'Strangite authors'

(2.3) Q625363 = 'Community of Christ authors'

Erblanchard57 (talk) 23:08, 12 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I am not an expert here, but per Latter Day Saint movement and Community of Christ the "Community of Christ authors" would consider themselves "Latter-day Saint authors", as part of the "Latter Day Saint movement", while not part of "Latter-day Saint Church", and if that is correct I would have Q42504 sub into "Church of Later-day Saints authors" MarkLSteadman (talk) 20:36, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree that Community of Christ authors could be considered Latter Day Saint authors in the broader movemental sense. I think the distinction here is that pretty much all of these groups would consider themselves Latter Day Saints in that broader sense, as part of the Latter Day Saint movement. That is actually why I think something more specific than “Latter Day Saint authors” or “Mormon authors” is useful for disambiguation.
I am using “Latter-day Saint authors” intentionally for Q42504 because the hyphenated, lowercase-d form is the designation specifically associated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am using “Latter Day Saint” without the hyphen for the broader movemental sense. So my proposal is to have the broader “Mormon authors”—or “Latter Day Saint authors,” I’m open to both; I agree that members of all those groups would probably prefer “Latter Day Saint authors”—(Q747802) encompass the movement, with separate subcategories for Latter-day Saint (Q42504), Strangite (Q520362), and Community of Christ (Q625363) authors.
So my clarified proposal would be as follows (edited, to add "Movement" for better clarity):
Latter Day Saint Movement authors (Q747802)
→ Latter-day Saint authors (Q42504)
→ Strangite authors (Q520362)
→ Community of Christ authors (Q625363)
Erblanchard57 (talk) 23:52, 13 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I will note, I was suggesting "Latter-day Saint authors" for the sake of having a shorter alternative than "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints authors". I agree it is a completely visual difference (Latter-day Saints being members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, vs. Latter Day Saints being members of the other groups of the Latter Day Saint movement), but that is the established usage, as I've seen it. If consensus wants to do
Latter Day Saint Movement authors (Q747802)
→ Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints authors (Q42504)
→ Strangite authors (Q520362)
→ Community of Christ authors (Q625363)
I'd be okay with that too.
Erblanchard57 (talk) 18:35, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Nobody seems to object to this, so I suggest you modify the category tree as you consider appropriate. If there is no opposition within a reasonable period of time, the categories can then be added to the module. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
My final suggestion would be
Latter Day Saint Movement authors (Q747802)
→ Latter-day Saint authors (Q42504)
→ Strangite authors (Q520362)
→ Community of Christ authors (Q625363)
With the one listed in my most recent message ("Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints authors") as my second if there is any opposition to this. Does that work?
Thanks, Erblanchard57 (talk) 13:55, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

The Einstein Theory of Relativity (Lorentz)

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Latest comment: 29 days ago5 comments3 people in discussion

Hi, Why does the source link points to a non-existent page while the index is at Index:LorentzStatement1920.djvu (I have tried purging). Any idea? Yann (talk) 13:52, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

The file on Commons was moved. So the source link is looking for the index under the new name. I think the Index needs to be moved to match that, but perhaps someone who is more of an expert can confirm. -- Beardo (talk) 14:09, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Correct. We should request index/page moves above. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:21, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK fixed. Thanks a lot! Yann (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Tech News: 2026-38

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Server switch - Your wiki will be read-only for a short time soon

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Latest comment: 28 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Trizek (WMF) 12:58, 15 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Move “Display Options” to the Appearance section

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Latest comment: 27 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Display Options should be moved to the Appearance section that is available in the default Vector skin. It’s incoherent to show these options on the opposite side of the page. Thanks. Midleading (talk) 03:39, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Yellow area instead of some pages of File:A hundred years hence repaired.djvu

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Latest comment: 23 days ago9 comments6 people in discussion

Does anybody have any idea what might have happened with the scan of File:A hundred years hence repaired.djvu? Instead of pages >192 only yellow area is displayed, see e.g. Page:A hundred years hence repaired.djvu/247. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I guess the DjVu file is damaged. Yann (talk) 14:02, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That is weird, it apparently was not after it was uploaded and when it was proofread. How can it "get damaged" while being on Commons? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:26, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Note that a lot (or all ?) the proofread Pages were moved from Index:A hundred years hence - the expectations of an optimist (IA hundredyearshenc00russrich).pdf. Perhaps something went wrong with that repairing? -- Beardo (talk) 15:26, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Ping Arcorann. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
The Djvu is clearly damaged; when I download it and examine it, it's broken at that point.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:22, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Jan.Kamenicek: I've reloaded the DjVu file from IA, it looks good. • M-le-mot-dit (talk) 08:36, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I re-fixed the duplicated pages that were in the IA file. Should be good now. Arcorann (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Will check the DjVu later today. Possibly there was an error in the conversion process, it was done a while ago so I need to verify the images. Arcorann (talk) 23:42, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Zambaonga City Ordinances

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Latest comment: 24 days ago4 comments4 people in discussion

There are two categories - Category:Zamboanga City Ordinances and Category:Zamboanga City Local Ordinances (Regulatory) - the latter has a lot of detail which looks unusual for a category.

As well as those pages included in the categories, there are also:

A lot of the work on these was done by User:KenJstn who is now blocked.

(There is also Portal:Local Government of Zamboanga City.)

Do we do anything with those categories? Perhaps combine them?

And do we do anything about all those indexes? -- Beardo (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Indexes are fine if there is no copyright issue. Yann (talk) 14:01, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • I have worked on some of these before (from Urbiztondo and Mayantoc), and there don’t seem to be any copyright issues; these are just local urban ordinances. Alien333: Did you CheckUser before the block, or was it based entirely on circumstantial evidence? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
    I did not checkuser because there are no checkusers, and because this was a pretty clear case.
    (Five users suddenly appearing at the same time, to make bot creations, on the same topics, with the exact same edit summaries, can hardly be a coincidence. See User talk:KenJstn.) — Alien  3
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ia-upload

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Latest comment: 22 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion

ia-upload seems to have fallen over (items queued for the last 6 hours or more); can anyone here restart it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:29, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Working now. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:33, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Page:LorentzGravitation1916.djvu/31

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Latest comment: 22 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi, It seems that in this page, the notes are shifted: they should be 1 -> 2, 2 -> 3, 3 -> 4, 4 -> 5, 5 -> 1. Am I right? Yann (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Weird. This is just a manual error, not some weird technical thing. After the text "...form a covariant tensor of the fourth order", there should be the "This means..." note, but it's not put there. The solution is just rearranging the text to be correct. Odd. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:29, 21 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yes, thanks. I thought may be I missed something. Fixed. Yann (talk) 15:53, 21 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Block request

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Latest comment: 20 days ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Can @~2026-51115-73 / their IP be blocked for a spam edit?

Thanks, Erblanchard57 (talk) 15:43, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

This is rather vandalism than spam, or simply testing by a new user. I don't think a block would achieve anything, as it was a single edit, and the user has probably already changed address. Yann (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Okay, thank you Erblanchard57 (talk) 18:59, 23 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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LilyPond multi-page scores question

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Latest comment: 17 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion

If this is the wrong place to ask, please direct me elsewhere. I’m transcribing musical scores that span multiple pages. I’ve noticed that some of the existing transcriptions on the site put all of the LilyPond code in a single <score> block and then use Template:elsewhere score on the subsequent pages. My question is whether I should include explicit page breaks in the LilyPond source. This is a tradeoff: If I don’t, then anyone wanting to print the score will get proper page layouting from LilyPond, but it won’t match the original scanned paper. If I do, it will match the original but you will sometimes get staffs that are too smushed together or too spaced out. What should I do? — Timwi (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I haven't been using explicit page breaks when doing scores that span pages. See Fugue (Prout) for examples of my approach. Stick to enabling proper Lilypond page layouts. The amount of a score on the original printed page is an artifact of the publishing process, which we're not reproducing in the transcluded mainspace version.
I also don't use the {{elsewhere score}} template. I didn't know it existed until you mentioned it. I've just left comments on the pages where I've taken parts of the scores forwards and backwards, which is sufficient. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:00, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your reply. I notice that you didn’t use line breaks either (\break) to replicate the original layout. I guess that makes sense as we’re not replicating the exact line breaks in prose either. Is it worth going through the scores I’ve already posted and removing all of the \breaks? Timwi (talk) 18:59, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I principally use a break when I need to ensure that a section (say a verse or chorus) begins on a new line. Or, if it's a short score snippet that will look best on two lines rather just one. Otherwise I let Lilypond do what it needs to. In terms of going back through what you've already done, it's probably not worth it. Leave it to the Validator's decision on what's best. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:40, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
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(Apologies for posting in English. You can help by translating it)

Hello, I’m Danny from Wikimedia Deutschland’s Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects team.
We have been investigating and examining how Wikidata’s use in the Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist pages can be made to be more useful, or less ‘noisy’ (fewer edits that have little value to the reader).

We are currently exploring to make a change in the volume and the type of Wikidata edits that appear in these pages, and we need your feedback to help us ensure this is a positive change for the Wikis and won’t disrupt your workflows.
Language links are also known as sitelinks or interlanguage links and describe when a Wikidata item is connected to a Wiki, adding it to the language dropdown tool for other connected Wikis.

A variety of "Language Link" edits as seen in the Recent Changes feed

The request for feedback is whether you support the removal of these language link edits from the Recent Changes and Watchlist feed, or would you oppose such a change and if so, why? Please share you thoughts on the dedicated metawiki Talk page.

Further information about this change: m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Hide_Language_Link_edits

Thank you for any participation or feedback you give, -- User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 12:18, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

How to clear right-floats?

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Latest comment: 17 days ago8 comments3 people in discussion

Consider a start of a page like this:

HURSLEY. (L. M.) 𝅗𝅥 = 88. Abridged from melody in
Katholisches Gesangbuch, Vienna (c. 1774).

Note how the right-floating text pushes the template box to the left. The same happens to the sheet music when it’s inserted. In HTML/CSS I would fix this using clear: both. What is the correct fix for this in wiki syntax?

Also, separate question, how do I make the text inside it right-aligned? I tried putting a {{right}} inside it (i.e., {{float right|{{right|text here}}}}), but that seems to make the above problem even worse.

Any help would be appreciated. — Timwi (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm struggling to understand without an example. Can you give me a particular page where you're trying to do this so I can see it? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:43, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I pasted an example right here above. Just click edit to see the wikitext. (The example is from here but edited to make the right-floating element two lines.) Timwi (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I don't see the problem with the page as it exists now. I guess I'll have to bow out since I'm too stupid to understand the problem. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:08, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Well I wasn’t asking you to look at the page as it exists now, but the example that I posted right here in this Scriptorium posting, above. — Timwi (talk) 06:56, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
For making text right aligned just put style=text-align:right in float template. I've edited the page to show this. ToxicPea (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind for the future. — Timwi (talk) 06:55, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Done — I’ve figured it out, the answer is {{-}}. — Timwi (talk) 07:10, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Deprecating category parameter in headers

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Including categories directly in the header is a pain; among other things, it is not compatible with the HotCat tool. I therefore suggest that the categories parameter be deprecated. The issue was already discussed a few years ago (see Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2020-09#Deprecate category parameter in headers) where it was agreed that it makes maintenance difficult, but the outcome was never implemented. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:50, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Just for clarification: I suggest just disabling the manual categorization through the header parameter, categorization through Wikidata should stay, of course. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:55, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
The only categories which are regularly added are Category:Monthly Challenge. What would be done with them? I find Category:Translated indexes quite useful. Yann (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Also categories can be very well added with HotCat: . Yann (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
That is not what I mean. I just suggest disabling the categories parameter in the header of the mainspace pages, so that edits like this one would not be possible. Although it is still possible to add new categories with HotCat, those added from the header are not possible to be changed or removed with this tool. I cannot see any advantage to this approach. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 08:59, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK, understood. I don't have a definitive opinion on that. Yann (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree that there's no reason for the parameter; all categories can be added at the end of the page as normal. --YodinT 11:20, 2 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

@CalendulaAsteraceae: as the major editor of Module:Header–Do you think you could provide this? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Jan.Kamenicek: Sure, I'm happy to take care of editing the module. If we have consensus, I can edit the documentation to say the category parameter has been deprecated, and I can disable it once we've cleared out the pages in Category:Works using categories parameter. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 21:24, 9 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Inactive “News” page linked from Main Page

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Latest comment: 17 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hey all, I just randomly noticed that the Main Page has a prominent link titled “News” that links to WikiSource:News which in turn says:

This page is inactive and has been retained for historical interest.

I don’t think that link should be quite so prominent on the Main Page. Just letting you guys know in case someone wants to fix it. — Timwi (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Done. Thanks for the heads-up! --Jan Kameníček (talk) 09:05, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Proofread of the Month

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The Proofread of the Month work is completed. Should a new work be added right now, or should we wait for October 1st? Yann (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Yann Usually, when it is close to the end of the month, I believe Wikisource:Validation of the Month (or something like it) is displayed instead. Not sure how to make that happen though. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:55, 27 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK, good idea. So I added Index:Popular Science Monthly Volume 19.djvu, which is one of the index to be validated in the waiting list. It also fits within the "Science/Technology" them. Only I don't know what to do about the author, since there is none. Yann (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
The cover says "Conducted by E. L. and W. J. Youmans" - shouldn't they be shown as editors? -- Beardo (talk) 02:44, 28 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Help naming author

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What should I name the author page for w:Donald Mackenzie (trader)? Donald Mackenzie needs to be a disambig page for both him and Donald Alexander Mackenzie. He doesn't have an established birth year for a lifetime spread. Eievie (talk) 22:09, 28 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hathi thinks that the Donald Mackenzie who wrote The Khalifate of the West https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001609171 is the same "Donald Alexander Mackenzie" and The Flooding of the Sahara https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005725886 is at least "Donald A. Mackenzie". Does anyone know any authorship research tricks to figure out whether this is actually true? Eievie (talk) 22:20, 28 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
For the first question, maybe "Donald Mackenzie (1840-)"? for now
I don't have any fancy tricks and unfortunately I don't think HathiTrust links to a unique author identifier, but from the VIAF entries I'd say the one born c. 1840 could maybe also just have the same name. At least we know for sure that Flooding of the Sahara published 1877 could only have been authored by the Mackenzie born 1840 and not the one born 1873. And the description of The Khalifate of the West then only matches the biography of the former, too. Neon700 (talk) 07:49, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
If I were creating it, I would name it Author:Donald Mackenzie (b. c. 1840) (b.c. meaning born circa, if that wasn't clear)—Beleg Âlt BT (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
This is an interesting one; after looking into it in as much detail as I can, there are very few records that say when he was born (only one secondary source I came across says "around 1840", and that seems to be a guess; passenger records suggest he was born in 1849), and none that say when he died. As an anti-slavery and prison reform campaigner, who founded a town of 8,000 people as recently as 1882 (see the before and after pictures here), I'm surprised so little is known about his early and later life. Quite a few books and articles say he was the author of both The Flooding of the Sahara and The Khalifate of the West, so I think it's a pretty safe assumption. I've added what I've found for now at Author talk:Donald Mackenzie (1840–), and hope to add more details if/when I find more, as well as uploading his portrait to Commons/Wikidata. @Eievie: would you object if I moved the page to Author:Donald Mackenzie (1849–) or Author:Donald Mackenzie (b. 1849) based on this? --YodinT 20:31, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I see that the works lists has The Khalifate of the West listed under both - as does Wikipedia.-- Beardo (talk) 20:39, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
It's definitely not by Donald Alexander Mackenzie, and the list here seems to be copied from Wikipedia, so I've removed it here and on Wikipedia. --YodinT 21:10, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
FYI I see records for him living up until 1913 in Woodcot, South Godstone Surrey, followed by a move to Neville House, Tatsfield where he is registered as a voter in 1914. MarkLSteadman (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Category removals in watchlist?

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Latest comment: 12 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi! I’ve had Category:Texts with missing musical scores on my watchlist for a while. Plus, I’ve transcribed a few musical scores myself, causing some pages to be removed from the category. Indeed I’m seeing the number of pages in the category go down. However, I’m not seeing the category removals on my watchlist — neither my own nor anyone else’s. Is this expected behaviour? Is there something I’m doing wrong? Is there a way to get a list of most recently transcribed music scores? — Timwi (talk) 07:32, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I should have mentioned: I did turn on “Category changes” in the filter, and I did turn off “Hide categorization of pages” in the User Preferences. — Timwi (talk) 07:55, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think that the watchlist would only show changes to the actual text on that category page - if you click on edit, you will see what is there. The pages that are in the category are populated automatically, and so changes in them are not reflected in the watchlist. -- Beardo (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Done — The answer is that Category:Texts with missing musical scores is a hidden category, and for that to show up, in addition to the two options I already mentioned, you also need to enable “Show hidden categories” in Preferences → Appearance → Advanced options. — Timwi (talk) 15:22, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
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(Apologies for cross-posting in English, translating it will help spread the message)

Editors on group 1 wikis, including Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, and Wikisource, will no longer see notifications on Recent Changes and Watchlist when a link to another language version of a page is added, removed, or changed in its Wikidata item. This change will begin on October 5 at 07:00 UTC as a two-week trial to reduce high-volume, low-value notifications and make higher-value changes easier to identify. Editors who rely on these notifications should be aware of the change and can share feedback or concerns on the project or talk page.
Please reach out if you have any questions, thank you! -- Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) sent via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:42, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Google OCR not working

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Latest comment: 11 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Now I get the error: Resource has been exhausted (e.g. check quota)

Does Google restrict access from Wikimedia? Ankry (talk) 19:02, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Are you still getting this error message? It seems to be working for me, and I haven't noticed any problems recently, but it has occasionally stopped working in the past. --YodinT 11:23, 2 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Problem with LST section headers

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The behavior for LST headers (##s1) has changed. Now, there is no line break, causing issues like this page, where all of the sections blend together. This is obviously unintended and undesirable behavior because of some coding change; could this change be reversed? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:16, 1 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Could this be because of Parsoid? --YodinT 11:15, 2 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Have just checked this by clicking "Switch to legacy parser" for the page, which does resolve it. The Parsoid team are quite responsive to reports here and it doesn't seem to be listed at the Known Issues or Known differences pages, so I think they'd appreciate the feedback that they've broken something! --YodinT 11:30, 2 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Only one interface administrator

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In my opinion, since there is only one interface administrator (Xover), I would probably recommend the community to at least elect one or two more interface administrators, instead of only having one. Thank you. Codename Noreste /// ⭐️✨ 23:21, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

We had three, but due to inactivity two of them were not confirmed at their most recent !vote. The community expectation for interface administrators has been that they are experienced administrators here already and that they have an interest in and the appropriate knowledge for administering the interface. If any of the current administrators would be interested in adding the role, please let me or @BD2412: know. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:05, 4 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Wikisource:Interface administrators has very little information. I am not an admin here (I am on mul:), but I am knowledgeable enough about CSS and MediaWiki (and a little bit about JavaScript), and I have these rights on other WMF wikis, so I would be willing to assist here as well. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:17, 4 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Slash and burn

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If I understand it right, this is a translation of a book originally published in Norwegian, but never published in English besides this "Wiki version". At the same time the translation was done by the author himself and released through OTRS, but added to Wikisource by a different user. I am not sure what to do with this, as the mainspace is for previously published works. Should it be moved to the translation NS, although it was not translated by a Wikisource user? -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Now I have noticed that the pictures used for illustration are not from the original publication. It seems that our version is not just a simple translation, but in fact a new compiled edition of the work which has never existed outside Wikisource. The Norwegian Wikisource version contains different pictures, and as it is not scanbacked, I suspect it is another compilation different from ours (for example File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison-no.png, which is included in the no.ws version, could surely not have been included in the original book). --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:52, 6 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Chapter titles in The Story of My Experiments With Truth

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The chapter titles of the two volumes are formatted the same but are transcribed differently Volume 1 uses {{asc}} and Volume 2 uses {{smaller}}. Could we have someone change one of them for consistency? ToxicPea (talk) 06:38, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Isn't the result exactly the same? If yes, why would it matter? Yann (talk) 15:40, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
{{smaller}} is bigger than {{asc}}. It's {{x-smaller}} that the size of {{asc}} is equivalent to. ToxicPea (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
It's not a huge difference, but {{asc}} does also squash the capital letters a bit (a vs. A vs. A), and copies as a lower-case letter, rather than a capital. --YodinT 16:26, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK. So what should be chosen: {{asc}} or {{smaller}}? The later is more work, as all titles have to be changed to capitals. Yann (talk) 19:05, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
All the titles are already capitals anyway so it doesn't matter. ToxicPea (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
The book looks like it's using small caps to me rather than a smaller font size. --YodinT 11:04, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK, I will fix that with {{asc}}. Yann (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Transclusion logistics

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I just created Flower Fairies of the Spring, which uses {{side by side pages}}, and I noticed the work's CSS seems absent. I then tried creating {{flexbox side by side pages}}, hoping to iron out the issues of {{side by side pages}}.

A normal 

<pages index="file name.djvu" include=5 />

doesn't seem to work when the index name is a variable. {{side by side pages}} gets around this by using 

{{#section:PageTitle|file name.djvu/5}}

This seems to be what cuts out the CSS file. Can anyone give me insight into how this works?? Eievie (talk) 00:06, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I figured out that 
<pages index="file name.djvu" include=5 />
works if I call it from a Lua module. However, pages transcluded that way don't mark as transcluded from the index "Transclusion check". Does anyone know how to fix that? Eievie (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
WhatLinksHere for the individual scan pages also doesn't list them as being transcluded into mainspace. This sounds like a bug worth reporting on Phabricator. --YodinT 09:39, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

<ref follow=""></ref> is behaving like a normal footnote in page namespace

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I'm finding that footnotes within <ref follow="pxxx"></ref> now have inline links in page namespace. See for example this page:

Page:The Dissertations of Maximus Tyrius - Vol I & II.djvu/205

The footnote which is a continuation from the previous page now has a [2] superscript link, and it's listed as footnote 2 on the page. Pasicles (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

This is another Parsoid issue (the footnote works as expected if you use the "Switch to legacy parser" link in the Tools menu). TE(æ)A,ea reported this here a couple of days ago, as well as some other Parsoid-related issues a bit over a week ago, but there doesn't seem to be a reply from the Parsoid team yet. --YodinT 13:14, 12 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Footnote quirk inside Ppoem

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If you use '+>' at the beginning of a line that immediately follows a line with a footnote in it, the footnote appears twice in Page space (it also does so when the page is transcluded). As an example, if you replace {{hidden text|Him with his legions.}} with '+>' on Page:The Poetical Works of Samuel Rogers (1892, revised Aldine edition).djvu/240, you should hopefully see the effect. It seems to occur regardless of where the footnote is within the line. Chrisguise (talk) 14:38, 12 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

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