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Again, welcome! --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Page:The Ganas or Republics of Ancient India.pdf/1[edit]

Hi, about your proofreading of the page. Curly quotes are against the house style here. Straight quotes are to be used except when special justification exists for curly quotes. Secondly, the references are clubbed together on the last page. So, when you put the references in their appropriate spots, they should be within the includeonly tag, so that the post-proofreading display conforms to the scan but the refs come up during transclusion. The refs clubbed on the last page should be within noinclude tag, so that they are not transcluded. Thanks. Hrishikes (talk) 07:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikicode and tables[edit]

Mediawiki wikicode for tables needs to see all the html equivalents of <tr><td> on new lines, so when we patch pages together with transclusion the first line of each new pages needs a little wiki-hypnotism to tell it new line, not continuing paragraph. In the Page: namespace {{nopt}} at the top of a page for us acts as a placeholder, then on a new line start your row marker.

As a FYI. Please don't terminate pages with a new row marker, that is problematic. It is an incorrect coding that came into this house at some stage, and still seems to proliferate at times. When validating please feel fit to replace it through the length of these extended tables. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

  • It appears that it was User:Jasonanaggie who did that, not I. I don’t know very much about formatting pages for transclusion, and I merely create the tables individually on the separate pages. I do thank you for the information on table transclusion, however. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC).

hws and hwe and 'when'[edit]

I had already mentioned to another editor (Jasonanaggie) that I was confused about what to do with originally-hyphenated words mid-page. Jason had hyphenated words either side of a picture (e.g. mid- then -dle) where in one place I’d elected to just combine and shift the word to one side.

Here you wanted to conform to the usual {{hws}} / {{hwe}} usage to handle/control hyphenation. However, the result was not good for the resulting displayed text. (check the display) Very likely the added picture being right-aligned confused things.

Did you do this hws/hwe usage elsewhere where I could check how that actually turned out with less complicated picture placement? Then maybe we could approach the longer-lived residents for a determination. Cuz my lament to Jason included "I wish there was a per-project style guide in the discussion page. Shenme (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Robert Treat Paine[edit]

Robert Treat Paine, Jr., died in 1811 [1]. Your Robert Treat Paine must be a different one.

Also, Wikisource does not include "Jr." in author pages as a rule, since it is not part of the person's name. We usually use birth & death dates to dismabiguate, as with Author:Thomas Wilson (1773-1858) for example. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

  • There are two people named Robert Treat Paine, Jr., the elder, who died in 1811, and the younger, who died in 1910. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC).
    This is why we do not add "Jr." to page names, instead we use dates to disambiguate individuals with the same name. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Medicina de quadrupedibus[edit]

You've marked several pages as "without text" that clearly contain substantial text, including the publication wrapper and series adverts. While we do not require that these pages be included in the transcluded copy, they should still be transcribed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The North Star[edit]

There are a lot of works (especially American works related to slavery) that share this title. It would be much easier to set the work at a disambiguated title now (as a new work) than to move everything later. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Remaines of Gentilisme and Judaisme[edit]

The source file was corrected; it is the correction of the file that has caused created pages to be misaligned. The problem is in the Page namespace and with the Index. There is nothing wrong with the source file. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Quotation Marks[edit]

Wikisource:Style_guide#Formatting says "Use typewriter quotation marks (straight, not curly)." Please don't change straight quotes to curly ones.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

A buzz overhead[edit]

I was peeking at recent changes and noticed the activity at "A profitable instruction of the perfite ordering of Bees" and page Page:A_profitable_instruction_of_the_perfite_ordering_of_Bees.djvu/43. I was noticing the haggard state of blackletter in the merged pages as at A_profitable_instruction_of_the_perfect_ordering_of_Bees/First_Treatise/Chapter_23, so thought I'd look if earlier pages were done differently.

Immediately I noticed something completely differently different. In that first page I looked at, I was intrigued to see the faithful rendering of "then" seen as "thē" (4th line). But in looking at earlier pages I came across the first preface page, which contains a word "long" (8th line), written "lōg", but here transcribed as "as by his log ſtudy", using {{SIC}}.

Is this an isolated mistranscription? Perhaps a note in project discussion that these compressed forms should be preserved using special characters (e.g. 'ē', 'ō') would be useful? Shenme (talk) 04:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

scores of scores![edit]

I was unable to determine from the documentation what the best way to leave the lyrics of a score so that a person using the score making software might more easily use them when transcribing the sheet music.

Do you have a preference for this?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I wonder about those even numbers before every other bar. I thought I could see them in the rendering code, but it was just a thought.
Also, I like curly quotes and dislike style guides but I also get bored with changing them as well. (I read some of your other comments....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

A profitable instruction of the perfite ordering of Bees.[edit]

Perfite ordering of Bees 0006.jpg

I can fairly easily put this on a similar background (brown clapboard or some such) if you prefer.

Or, I can make a table of the whole image so that the text elements can be text. I have at the commons an example of that where it worked quite well and one in which it didn't work.

Didn't work-->commons:Category:Evangeline, Tale of Acadie (1883)/Cover

Worked quite well here:-->Page:The Pilgrims Progress (1890).djvu/9 with 13 image files!! commons:Category:The Pilgrim's Progress (1890)/Title --RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, I found this: It is called "REVERSED ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET". And this: called, uniquely enough "ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET"--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I am not going to do any more image work until the banner season has passed. Which is sad, because I like it and I am good at it and it doesn't hurt people. I don't even think it hurts their soul or their purpose or place on this earth.

Had I been trading with BWC, about 40 of those songs would have been done by now. I am plenty used to unfair trades as I probably value my work more than others and I am the idiot both locally and in the world for continuing with it when every one else is just as happy or even more happy with button push image processing.

But when the banner is there and the download is probably from right in this building in which I have heard for the last almost 7 years that I am truly not wanted; I got to respect the constant message and give my creepy feelings an out. That both can be accomplished in a simple way is a glaring truth.

So, sorry? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Primary Christmas Songs and Jingle-Bells[edit]

I was going to move Jingle Bells to make room for your version.

The Primary Christmas Songs lists a different author than the version here.

Also, if you upload the whole pdf to the commons, they have an OCR thing here which will generate the editable pages. (Preferences-->Gadgets-->Page namespace-->OCR)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Johnson's Lives of the Poets[edit]

Thanks for the opportunity to work on the Swift section. I've finished it. However, I also started on The Philosophy Review a while back, and would like to continue with it. When I'm done with it (it will be a while -- many volumes) I’ll check back on the Johnson. Susanarb (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Index:The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana.djvu[edit]

I don't see any discussion linked to this index. What is the problem with the source file? --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

It would be better to put the note on the Talk page. Few people will think to scroll down to the bottom of the table of contents to find that information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Index:Meat for Thrifty Meals.djvu[edit]

Want to do this an 'unoffical' POTM? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Index:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu[edit]

Excellent effort, But please note you have to close italic or bold formating inside template parameters. Unmatched or ' tags cause issues. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Another work for proofreading...[edit]

Another interesting oddity:

Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvuShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I tend to mark stuff as not-proofread when cleaning up against the scan, using the OCR text.

I've got no objection to someone like you that knows what they are doing looking through my back efforts at OCR cleanup, to find items for proofreading or validation, which should be very straightforward. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

January not July[edit]

Some page number confusion on my part with the IA file. July soon.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Terminating formatting...[edit]

Don't forget that '' '' to set italics MUST be paired. I am fixing a large number of pages you nominally proofread, with unterminated formatting. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

And PLEASE get an editor that doesn't mangle these, I am having to correct a large number of pages I KNOW I had matched up the pairs on only for them to be broken when you did your nominal proofreading.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:54, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Correcting status[edit]

Edits like these are not "correcting status". You might want to read about the philosophy behind how we label pages, and consider why certain pages are marked the way we do, and why others are not. I certainly don't understand why you chose to double-indicate some blank pages that are part of the numbering sequence, but decided the blank back cover of the book, which is not transcluded, needed a special name.

I have left some lengthy discussions with User:Xover on his talk page. You might start with those. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

edit I did not make....[edit]

I am not sure what is going on here. I have been credited for making this edit:

but I did not make it. I would like to know who did make it because the same ad occurs in the January edition Page:Motoring Magazine and Motor Life January 1915.djvu/21 which I am leaving in a mess....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

cropping problem....[edit]


I am weak-minded maybe but there are so many images in that book and most are so incredibly boring--I cringe about additional time spent with them.

I poked around some and located meta:Extension:EditImage to see if that would allow me to continue to avoid the additional cropping....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


I grabbed Hawthorne's Wonderbook (external scan) (which is not here yet). The Rhinegold & Valkeryie (external scan) (also not here yet, and a great read, imo and if this is the version I read....) and Gullivers Travels (external scan) which is here, but not illustrated.

Unless you have an opinion, I'm going to start mostly with Hawthorne, but working on more than one at a time (for me) is good; as they can be stored at commons until needed -- just let me know what you would like.

What fun!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

It was difficult to choose, so if you want to pick one or a few, let me know.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
commons:Category:A Wonder Book (1922).--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

migrate to[edit]

In this case the text does not need to be migrated to the DjVu, since the DjVu has been fully proofread. Migration of text is only necessary when the Pages of the DjVu file have not been proofread. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

When that happens, we simply transclude the proofread text into the unsourced version. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

en dash vs. em dash[edit]

Hi there,

Can you make sure that you use em dashes (—) in Index:Poems by Cushag.djvu. I'm getting a bit tired tidying them and the curly quotes to conform to Wikisource's standards.

Thanks. -Einstein95 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Same issue in Harlem Shadows. You're using en-dashes where you should be using em-dashes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Deprecated formatting[edit]

Please see Help:Transclusion regarding the deprecated transclusion method you are using (e.g. {{Page:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu/5}}). Yes, it still works, but it is no longer the recommended practice for transcluding pages, and has not been for a very long time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

From the style Guide[edit]

"Use typewriter quotation marks (straight, not curly)."

You should know better by now. Please stop introducing curly quotes into works that should not have them. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

This is your warning that you will be blocked if you persist in violating Community style. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
You have been blocked again for a repeat offense of deliberately and systematically violating the WS Style Guide. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Altering style[edit]

When you validate the work prepared by another editor, you must be careful not to introduce problems or to alter a style that the previous editor consistently applied.

I have noticed in your editing that you often break syntax in headers or footer, or randomly alter certain elements of the header/footer, or inconsistently remove elements from some header/footer pages in a work, but not others.

It is important to be aware of this and not do it. If you are using some editing tool, then it is not working correctly.

It is also important to respect style choices of the previous editor, and not eliminate items consistently and purposefully applied without discussing those changes. You regularly remove {{dhr}} spacing from works, though not consistently, and this is not OK. If the editor who established the work included those templates as part of a consistently applied style, then removing them as you are doing, without discussion, can be construed as vandalism, as it reduces the quality of the overall work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

As I said, you're breaking syntax in headers. See here where your edit removed the "close italics" from the header formatting. You have been doing this across multiple pages on at least two different works. Please correct this issue. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Songs of Long Ago[edit]

You have a source/scan? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Saintly Women[edit]

Hi, I'm wondering why you're using the "override_author" field on these articles. The normal use for this field is allow for non-linking of author or multiple authors. However, there's only one author who has an author page. If you are doing it to save typing the full name onto each page, then create an author: space redirect and put the shorter form into the author field. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

US Statutes at large...[edit]

Thanks, Can you check with the linthint script when you add pages , because I am seeing a LOT of missmatched P and SPAN tags, possibly resulting from a template that was wrong being subst? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Transclusion preferentially should use <pages> syntax than template:page[edit]

Hi. The community style is to transclude pages using the mul:Wikisource:ProofreadPage syntax rather than the rather old and less preferred template:Page. It would be great if you could migrate your coding to this form. There may be the rare occasions when one needs to use {{page}} or even the base #LST, however, that usage should be quite rare and exceptional. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

As some notes, on subpages it is usual to utilise title = [[../]] to wikilink to the root page of the work, and it is less than usual to transclude the section pages like /29 on Sonnets and Ballate of Guido Cavalcanti/Sonnets. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Umm, who are you to determine a consensus?[edit]

Hello. For someone who is reasonably new to this community, you are acting in a very forward way. This community does things more slowly than the WPs, and you should be relying on those experienced heads within the community. Please do not self-appoint to implement decisions of this community or to determine when there is a consensus. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I do not agree that it was TE(æ)A,ea's fault when he tried to end the voting in good faith. The main problem is completely different: absence of clear rules guiding the voting process and it is a big pity that the experienced heads have not created any so far. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Long s[edit]

Hello. I have noticed you have nominated a A Letter from a Noble-Man Abroad, to his Friend in England for validation. I have got just one point to raise before the validation starts: According to Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography#Phonetically equivalent archaic letter forms long s should be transcribed using the template {{ls}}, which keeps the original form of the letter "ſ" in the page namespace, but transcribes it as ordinary "s" in the main namespace. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

And more than once. Please reply, so we can have this conversation about style, and presentation per the community guidelines. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Table of Contents to root page[edit]

With works at Wikisource, for proper output through our EPUB/MOBI/PDF book tool (link in sidebar), the table of contents needs to appear on the root page of the work, otherwise when the conversion takes place all the subpages are not generated in the work. I have made that change for A Wonder Book, though I am guessing that you will have others that require that conversion. Let me know if you need a hand. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Use of ſ in works[edit]

Would you please explain your use of archaic characters ſ and the like in An Admonition against Profane and Common Swearing and persuade me why that usage should remain rather than the use of {{long s}} which would be our typical style as explained at Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography, or simply just use the character s. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:54, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

And to please note that a "Talk" page is for talking, which we would normally consider a two-way conversation, rather than a place where other people leave notes. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Useful titles of factual works[edit]

Hi. With something like United Nations Treaty Series/Volume 1/1/3 and similar works, we would normally look to give some useful text visual title that is going to make sense to those reading the work. Straight ... 1/1/3 means nothing to anybody, so sometimes a little license needs to be taken. Often you will find that the treaties have common names that applied and that is a reasonable approach to utilise those common names for the subpages to the series. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

double quotes[edit]

The Template:dq seems to be using xml entity notation. &ldquo;. One of my definitions of cool (and also very browser friendly) is to make a completely ascii document which renders in perfect utf-8. Would you consider this?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

A daunting text from 1561[edit]

The sourcerers seem to be unhappy with the Chaucer that is here and I agree with them. I am getting ready to do some moving so that all of the previously uploaded and orphaned versions can be listed sensibly, and the list can take the correct spot at wikidata, etc., etc.

I found woorkes of Geffrey Chaucer which is 778 pages of double columned illuminated old- or middle-English poetry. My second thought was that maybe you would not find this as daunting as I do. I would help and I would clean the illuminated letters and other illustrations. And, truth be told, I would have more understanding of you not wanting to get involved but be truly glad if you would consider it.

I also found illustrated version which, if I still had a computer at home, the illustrations would be close to being completed and uploaded at commons by now.

I have a computer that needs a monitor and perhaps a new power-supply (I never determined what took it out). As it is right now, I am going to remove the network card before I plug it in. I caught the people I live with and at this point in time, they are using up future trust as I have to trust them now and have no reason to. Honestly, if you have to lie (and this lie was dreadful) probably you should not lie. That seems simple to me. Okay, sorry to ramble about problems on the homefront, it is just going to take a lot more time given the current situation.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I just found this: Canterbury Tales (ed. Skeat). So maybe the 778 pages of old tome is really too much....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Toccata (Nancarrow)[edit]

This work needs source information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Self-closing tags[edit]

Hi. Please avoid self-closing tags, they are flagged as lint errors, see [2]. E.g. I fixed this here. I could not figure out how to add an extra [ before the link, so I just followed your steps but with explicit closing tags. Thanks. Mpaa (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

And pease also pay attention to properly nest <div>-based and <span>-based templates. Otherwise a lint error will be flagged. Thanks. Mpaa (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Please pay attention to the self-closing tags. It is not that difficult. I cannot keep on clean them forever. Thanks Mpaa (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


Is there some reason you don't want the page numbers to be displayed? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Template:New texts[edit]

Please consider adding your recent completed work to this template, so that it will display on the main page. Add to top, and drop the bottom to the archive section. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

SIC indicated on Page:Fur and the Fur Trade.djvu/17[edit]

"kid" is a type of goat-leather. see w:Kidskin , so in context it's use on this page is NOT a mistake. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Please do not use page template[edit]

I have mentioned this previously, please do not use {{Page}} unless it is absolutely necessary, please utilise <pages>. It is a relatively simple process to transclude a single page. This

{{Page:William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu/1}}

becomes either of these

<pages index="William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu" include=1 />
{{#tag:pages||index=William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu|include=1}}

Using Page, unnecessarily fouls up page numbering in the left margin, and that truly should be avoided. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh, and rather than use "override_author" where you wish to display an author's name in a more abbreviated form, it is preferred that you create a redirect for the author's name. This is actually much preferred as it also reduces duplication of author pages for variations of name. Override_author is useful, though it is not a perfect solution as it inhibits or makes more complex some maintenance activities and functions. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

<i />[edit]

Please don't use this sort of code, it upsets the renderers and spits out errors and puts pages into Category:Pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags. If you need to stick in a square bracket, you can use a unicode character &#91; [. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Sappho and the Sapphic Metre in English[edit]

Part of the reason this wasn't linked is that the source file has serious issues. There are two pages on each scan page, making page numbering impossible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The Republic[edit]

The introduction is by a different author, with a later date of death, and so will need a different license from the rest of the work. It should therefore appear on a separate pages from the table of contents. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Imperative to follow style guide[edit]

I do not understand your resistance to our style guide. This formatting is simply not acceptable. All the requirements to get page numbering on the side obfuscated by your approach. Why?

Are you wishing to have every edit of yours reviewed and deemed acceptable, or would you like to be a trusted editor. Do you truly wish for me to bring this matter to the broader community? Would you prefer that abuse filters are written so that this type of editing cannot be undertaken just for you? I would love to see you moved to trusted editor status but you continue to be a maverick who thinks they know better and do not follow our guidance. Please tell me how you would like to progress. I am sure that you are sick of me repeating the same thing over and over. I know that I would prefer to not be here talking about our rudimentaries over and over. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

It is preferred that override_author is not used unless necessary, and the preferred formatting using <pages> either directly or as tags, per this edit. Similarly when doing subpages, we look to use relative links for title and previous/next. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

"Improperly deleted"?[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure what you mean by "improperly deleted". There was a deletion discussion (now at Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2013-06#Pages in category "Index - Text Layer Requested") at the time and and the decision was to delete until such time as better scans were available. As far as I can see you've just recreated with the old (hopeless) scan. What do you intend to do with it? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

NLS works[edit]

Please leave the NLS works to the team of their staff that are working on them. They are getting to their works, and they have processes in place to manage. They are also putting them to the names of the works, not whatever non-standard model you are working to. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Hymn moves[edit]

Hi. Do you have evidence that the hymns that you moved were all sourced as you have described to A Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists. Works are not moved to subpages of a work unless there is an evidentiary basis that the works were from that edition. Where no evidence then the works should remain at the root level. I am not seeing the evidence, what am I missing? — billinghurst sDrewth 13:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

A Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists[edit]

I was moving what individual hymns I could find as part of this collection to sub-pages of this collection. I had intended to standardise the formatting of the hymns, along with any printing errors, to the edition I am viewing (here). Generally speaking, all of the hymns should be given as sub-pages; but I would have to search through more of his collections. The main page for this collection was already created, so I moved the hymns to sub-pages. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC).

But that is not the way that we handle these things. If you don't know the source of the work, we don't force it into another work where it appeared. We can have multiple copies of the same work, and that is why we have {{versions}} page. I will move the pages back, noting though that some will need to be moved if these pages need to make way for version pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
If the version we have has no identified source, but is identical (or substantially identical, with minor differences in layout or punctuation or spelling), then it is still worth backing it against the Collection of Hymns edition. Most unsourced hymns on Wikisource are taken from online databases and are composites that match no published edition, so in the end we would need to match them to a substantially identical published version or delete them as beyond scope. (Also, if we keep them as separate versions that are identical to the published versions, then they will be deleted as CSD G4 Redundant anyway.) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Removing header parameters[edit]

Why did you do that here? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

JW - co-incidence?[edit]

Fun aside: is it co-incidence that the Targum translator, J.W. Etheridge has the name John Wesley, where you've done some related work, or did you turn the Targums up in the course of that work due to the name? Simply curious. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 15:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Admins and what they're good for :)[edit]

Hey TE(æ)A,ea.,

Regarding my comment elsewhere that I'm not sure this is something that particularly requires an administrator, but…. There was no criticism intended in that comment. I was just intending to convey: 1) that admins have no special authority to handle issues such as this, unless there is something that technically requires the +sysop permission (moves, deletes), and that you could most definitely approach the people involved yourself with your concerns; and, 2) that whether the practice you noticed with the NLS works is acceptable or not and how to handle it is more a question for the community (at WS:S) than for admins to decide.

But that aside, the admins are, of course, happy to help (I think I'm safe in speaking for all of them on that), and if you for whatever reason do not want to or cannot deal with such an issue yourself then asking for help by posting such a notification is obviously not just perfectly fine but also very much appreciated. --Xover (talk) 04:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[edit]

I'm sorry, but I never created images: I was working from the original, to which I no longer have access. I guess we'll just have to delete it? Nyttend (talk) 23:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Hey TE(æ)A,ea.,

Please stop messing around with Table-Talk while I am working on it. You're making an already complicated situation much more complicated. Thanks. --Xover (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Making stuff redundant…[edit]

Regarding What is Property? and the subpages. If you're scan-backing a work, once proofread, just replace the existing unsourced text with the <pages …> voodoo and, if needed, move the page to a new name. That way we preserve the edit history of the page, and the redirects left behind can be easily speedied without any big analysis of the criteria.

If you copy the transclusions out of the new "/Chapter X" subpages into the old "/X" pages, I can speedy the new pages as "author's request" (since you're the only contributor), and then move the "/X" pages to "/Chapter X" form without leaving redirects behind. --Xover (talk) 13:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hathi image resolution[edit]

Just a quick hint on Hathi images if you're extracting from there. The images you see in the "reader" mode are much smaller than the image that's actually available. For example:

I'm unsure of the physical meaning of the "size" parameter (it's not simply pixels), but generally adding "00" to the end means you get the biggest image Hathi has available. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 16:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

A Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists[edit]

In case it's useful to you, I'm tracking pages here: User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox/Methodist HymnalBeleg Tâl (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification[edit]

thanks! I didn't know there was a difference, I thought it was just short hand :) Blue-ray656 (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

A proofreading question[edit]


Thanks for the feedback!

Yes, the accents on agán and elsewhere must be regular acute accents. At first glance, I thought they were handwritten additions, but now that I look closely I see that they were not actually added afterwards. I could have guessed it: a printer who can print weird stuff like ⁊ or ꝥ would have no issue with a mere á. I'll need to add these accents to the transcription.

I'm not sure I'll keep working on the volume 1 of Thorpe's ASC though, not before I can gather advice in how to handle best the six-column layout and the issues it may raise (like when there are hyphenated words at the end of 2 colums in one page, will hws and hwe work?). The same goes for Elstob's book; between the Latin, the Old English and the fancy typography and layout it's rather too complicated for me right now. I'll stick to the volume 2 of Thorpe's ASC, it should be easier. Ælfgar (talk) 08:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I've hitten another brick wall in the translation, since there is stuff at the bottom of the pages which behaves like footnotes without being actually footnotes, and I'm just not good enough at Wikisourcing to deal with it. If you want to provide templates I could follow for either of the two volumes of Thorpe, it would be much appreciated. Otherwise I'll just look for something easier to proofread. Ælfgar (talk) 19:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again. Can you have a look at the last few pages of the Old English text I've transcribed? Some more complications have reared their heads, with footnotes split between pages and sidenotes as well. More generally, I wonder whether Wikisource will be able to display the final book as was intended by Thorpe, i.e. with the six columns side-by-side rather than three and three. Ælfgar (talk) 09:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: Mahatma Gandhi, his life, writings and speeches[edit]

I don’t know how to do transclusion, but I can suggest User:Billinghurst. He’s also the head Admin here. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 11:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Reason for undo?[edit]

Hi, your undo [3] has no explanation of why the editor's amendment was problematic. This was not vandalism, but a well-intentioned change, so the editor deserves a reason for the reversion. If you're not putting the explanation in the edit summary, then you need to explain on the editor's talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring[edit]

Your recent edits to Treaty of Waitangi amount to edit-warring. This is as frowned on here as it is on enWP. Please desist, but rather discuss the best wording on the Talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


Page:A Prisoner of the Khaleefa.djvu/32 - I screwed something up here, sorry - help? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 03:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Much thanks - also a question, [4] what is happening in these changes where a capital letter is changed in an Index? I see no differences on the actual page? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
And with this now all of the links are broken, but the template has working links - there's something I'm not understanding?
Oh, and this collection of editions, how do I tell which one is best to upload to Index:Tabakat i Nasiri.pdf (I just created it with a random one, now I am not sure if it has broken pages or just blank pages do not show up, etc - still figuring it out). Any easy way to tell how/if something is broken, and ideally BEFORE uploading it? And I tried to make Statement of the Chaush prior to battle but have definitely broken something and I tried a few different ways to use the LST sections but I'm missing something or other. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 22:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Is File:1965 Moynihan Report.pdf that for which you were asking? Only issue I see is that says their web version has not produced the charts and graphs in the original - and this PDF seems to likewise have removed any charts or graphs. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the {{closed}}, though ironically it doesn't fold up or whatever you call it. Anyways, I started an overhaul on The Book of the Knight of the Tower but it's an insane amount of work, I'm tempted to abandon it except I see so many abandoned works when I click "Random". This is totally me guilt-tripping you to help by the way...even if it's just getting pages 15 and 16 to look like 14, lol. To make my job more annoying, his names for the chapters in the TOC not only don't line up with the order in which they appear in the book, but have slightly different titles (why young women should fast VS why daughters should fast VS why maidens should fast, etc). I thought I was volunteering to provide modern English translation since I read Ye Olde professionally...didn't realize how many tmeplates and blocks and apostrophes and links are needed. Yikes. Oh and any idea why clicking on something like Page:The booke of thenseygnementes and techynge that the Knyght of the Towre made to his doughters - 1902.pdf/228 will sometimes bring up the "Create" page where I can start immediately and sometimes' bring up a "There is no such page, click HERE to create it" page? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Next time you're working on the BKT, if you can add whatever licensing is necessary at the bottom especially to indicate the "translations" are also without copyright, etc...and then go proofread a dozen pages ;) Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 20:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Much thanks, it doesn't expand but I saw somebody mention it on the general talk page that it was a known problem - so I can't see what the translation status is, but I trust it's in there somewhere. Any idea what I did wrong with The_Book_of_the_Knight_of_the_Tower#How_a_woman_sprange_vpon_the_table where the left and right columns are not of equal width? Oddly before I added paragraph breaks they were of equal width, then the paragraph breaks on the right made the right much narrower. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 22:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

You don't have to fix those quote-apostrophe combos[edit]

Thank you, but PastLovingBot is saving the day again by doing that to the Waylaid by Wireless pages now, all in succession, as we speak. PseudoSkull (talk) 20:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


@TE(æ)A,ea.: This one was kind of special to me. I appreciate the work you have done, however, check this out: Page:Handbook_of_style_in_use_at_the_Riverside_press,_Cambridge,_Massachusetts_(IA_handbookofstylei00riverich).pdf/15 --RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

edit conflict[edit]

We had an edit conflict. I chose mostly my version(s). I am wondering if you would like to look it over (since I remember this happening once in my TOL days and not liking it).

Page:Handbook of style in use at the Riverside press, Cambridge, Massachusetts (IA handbookofstylei00riverich).pdf/31--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

abbrev. and spaces[edit]

According to their style guide, R.P. doesn't put spaces between their abbreviations. Thats the reason I left them out.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: You caught some dumb ones I left tho so only a little complaint here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikisource:WikiProject Film[edit]

I've started this, and listed you as a member. Thank you for encouraging it, this was really needed. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

PotM Archiving[edit]

I would appreciate an explanation of why archiving the 2020 PotM sections was "bad". This word implies I've been naughty by doing so—not something that I appreciate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Congressional record page hierarchy[edit]

Can we look at how this work is being set out and the depth of the subpages?

This Congressional Record/Volume 167/Issue 4/House/Counting Electoral Votes/Pennsylvania Objection Debate/Duncan Speech is very deep and I am wondering whether it needs to be that deep, and we cannot do something shallower with the same effect. Also wondering why none of those subpages have prev/next in them so people can navigate speech to speech rather than having to retreat to the parent page.

Reason for asking is to build the citing template for authors and want to make sure we have the necessary components in place. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


<ref>Maggie Haberman, ''Trump Told Crowd, “You Will Never Take Back Our Country with Weakness{{SIC|'',''”''|”,}} N. Y. Times (Jan. 6, 2021).</ref>

The italics in the SIC are inside the SPAN/tooltip generated by {{SIC}}, This means the italics opened outside aren't properly terminated, which was the repair I thought I'd made to this. What's the CORRECT way of doing this so there isn't a missing SPAN generated? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


Template:PD-old is only supposed to be used when an author has been dead for 100 years. I prefer not to use it at all anyway, but to instead list the author's actual death date. In the case of The Kronstadt Rebellion, the author of that work died in 1936, so as of right now his works are only in the public domain in countries with p.m.a. 80 years or less. Mexico and maybe a few more require 100 years to have passed after the death date of an author to be considered public domain in those countries. PseudoSkull (talk) 01:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

please transclude pages properly[edit]

I should only need to ask once, and fix once. But no. Please transclude page properly. [5] Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)