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Hello, Mpaa, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 12:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


Bot substitution & cleanup[edit]

Meant to thank you again for the bot work on War... No small favor. I am flying through the pages now, hoping I don't make too many errors as a result! Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Happy of being helpful. Should you need help in future, just ask. In cases like this, with a small effort one can simplify a lot.— Mpaa (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Crap!; or, What one says when pages are missing from one's book[edit]

Thought I'd ask here first; pages 278 & 279 are missing from War. I have images of the missing pages at the ready from another online version (same edition, different printing). The reason that pagination appeared to be squared away is because pages 296 & 297 repeat themselves after p. 297. All is well with pages after that. Do you know how this can be fixed? Sorry, and Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it can be fixed. Are you familiar with manipulating djvu files? You should remove the two duplicate images and insert the two new ones in the proper place. Then, we should shift pages correspondingly. If you can refer to djvu page number, it is clearer. If you are not familiar with the process, upload the two images here on WS and we will sort it out somehow.— Mpaa (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
I wish I knew how. But DJVU pages 312 & 313 should be removed (they are the pages which repeat), and pages shifted from DJVU pg 294. The pages to insert will fill DJVU pgs 294 & 295. I have uploaded the images. They are located in Category: User images, and are the only images listed. Let me know if I can do anything else, and thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Should be OK now. Make a null edit (op righ menu) if images are not aligned yet.— Mpaa (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Great! Thank you so much for the fix... Glad it was repairable. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

crat[edit]

Howdy,

You are now a bureaucrat. Enjoy the crushing pressure. :-D

Hesperian 02:28, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations - good job! BD2412 T 03:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Congratulations, excellent choice. . . . . and as they say in Budapest, today Rome, tomorrow the world. — Ineuw talk 22:36, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Purging Index: ns[edit]

I have started Wikisource-bot on the task of purging all the Index: ns (started ~1200 GMT). That should clear up the issue of page editing not updating Special:IndexPage, and where you had identified that some indices were missing their class. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:10, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Nietzsche[edit]

Hi, I’ve been busy proofreading Nietzsche the thinker and wondered if you wanted some feedback on your bots’ work? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 01:35, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is appreciated, thanks. I actually cleaned up the text offline and just ised the bot for fast page uploading— Mpaa (talk) 21:21, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
The clean-up of footnotes is almost flawless with very few missed. The pre-italicizing is very convenient—to the extent I’ve had to stifle my annoyance when it doesn’t work! almost always because of a scanno. I've noticed 2 minor glitches: it consistently deletes anything on the line before a "Cf." and there have been a couple of missing following footnotes i.e. when split over 2 pages the footnote on the 2nd page isn't there.

Also, if you have done any clean-up on PSM so it's set up for easy proofreading, please let me know. I find such pages very soothing at the end of a long day—when Nietzsche is a bit much. :) Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 08:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Zoeannl:, you might want to take a look at PSM 55.— Mpaa (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Lovely. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 00:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
PSM 56, 58 and are good to go as well. BTW, thanks for proofreading Nietzsche.--Mpaa (talk) 15:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

File:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 5.djvu[edit]

Hello Mpaa,

I prefer you to decide about the namings, whatever system you chose. The French and Canadian system is often (but not always) this one: fr:Livre:Paquin - La cité dans les fers, 1926.djvu. I don't know if Wikidata makes this kind of naming obsolete. Lots of thanks for your help! Regards, --Zyephyrus (talk) 13:18, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I just noticed in Central discussions that a bulk page move was required, so I took the task. I had no part in the rest. If a better naming is suggested, I think this should be mentioned in the thread where all this started.— Mpaa (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikisource Conference[edit]

Hi Mpaa, I'm Aubrey from it.ws. As you probably know, a bunch of wikisourcerors (and Wikimedia Austria) are organizing a conference from 20 to 22 November, in Wien, Austria. We are trying to reach to experienced Wikisource editors, because the conference will be (hopefully) an important event for the Wikisource international community. Will you be able to attend? Do you have a chapter who could provide you a scholarship? If you're interested, please write to me at andrea.zanni@wikimedia.it. Thank you very much. --Aubrey (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Aubrey. Thanks for the invitation. Unfortunately, I do not think I will be able to attend.— Mpaa (talk) 17:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

A minor request for the text cleanup process[edit]

Hi. Would it be possible to alter the <ref>footnote</ref> to <ref>*</ref>? When the asterisk is removed, it's difficult to find at a glance. Thanks — Ineuw talk 17:06, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I will do that from now on.— Mpaa (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks.— Ineuw talk 20:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Farinelli[edit]

Dear Mpaa I am contacting you since I found you interested in music and committed in the Grove Dictionary. I have found an interesting pair of essays on Senesino and Farinellim, the two most famous castratos in London during the time of Handel, in The Westminster Magazine: or, The Pantheon of Taste, vol. 5 (1777), pp. 396-397 and would like to submit both to the English wikisource in the form of texts (of course a scan of the pages can accompany the essays). So far however I have only contributed to the German version and only reference sites listing links to pdfs of old musicological and general newspapers. So I do not know how I can possibly create a new site here containing an article from the Westminster Magazine, the more so since no single article from there seems to be contained in Wikisource yet. I have uploaded the first of the two texts on a separate page in my wikisource profile. The "references" are original footnotes from the text.

Not really, probably you have seen some occasional contribution of mine ... :-)

Three questions on this:
1) Can you explain to me how to submit this to the English wikisource best

Same as on de.wikisource. Download the scan to Commons (File:xxx.djvu or pdf, depending on what format you have) and create an Index:xxx.djvu (or pdf).


2) Would you take care of this for me? The errors in the "text only version" supplied by Google Books have been corrected with the exception of two minor things: a) what the omonious "lö" in "Jupiter & lö" stands for and what amount is meant by 50 (unknown symbol) L. (50,000 pounds?). The text version has been proofread by me against the scan.

You need to proofread against the scan. Since you already did it, copy-paste the prtion of text in th corresponding Pages in Page:ns.
Texts should be faithful to original, so errors should stay there, may be you can use {{SIC}}.


3) Is it ok or general usage in the English wikisource to include links to wikipedia to make clear what person or building etc. is meant in the text?--Haendelfan (talk) 11:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, without overlinking. When you transclude a page in Main ns, in the author header (or via wikidata) you can link to from there as well.
If you link here the index page you will create, I will keep an eye on it.Mpaa (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2015‎

A quick mass subst[edit]

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Rh/l&limit=500

The template concerned should have been subst, (and note to self this needs documenting)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Done.— Mpaa (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: Wikisource:Scriptorium#Checker[edit]

Hello.

Are you still interested in this topic? I ask as an interested party myself; and of course the Scriptorium entry is shortly destined for archive oblivion. I did initiate some experiments (of a variant upon your scheme) with the assistance of Ineuw but held off in light of George Orwell III revealing this is but the resurrection of an older abandoned scheme. Even if this devolves into a project of interest to only a few individuals I am happy to advertise the result; but then again if your advice is to "let it die" I'll just keep it to myself.

Please pardon the name-dropping above but it does serve to set context (especially after Wikisource-bot wields its specialised memory-axe!) In short, what do you advise?

AuFCL (talk) 21:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I am still interested. IMO it should be a gadget tat upon a preview action highlights the "usual suspects" and on a save action, asks for a confirmation if there are "suspects". Even better if "suspects" could be selected/loaded per user (or also work would be nice).
As I see it, in a project like PSM or POTM this would be of great help. I scanned PSM and found a lot of minor mistakes undetected that could have been intercepted by this.
For expert proofreaders with their own set of tools, this might be superfluous, for beginners it might be an help.— Mpaa (talk) 20:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for replying. Well I have an 80% solution (and yes I am well aware that completing the final 20% of any project takes 200% of the time or thereabouts!)
Before proceeding I hope I am repeating the obvious when I caution you against executing un-trusted code with bureaucrat privileges. I have done my best to write safe code but lay no claim to being a security expert.
So in case you take the prudent path, but still want to see what this thing actually does, installing User:AuFCL/common.js/typoscan.js and then opening Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 10, 1899.djvu/219 yields File:St George screen capture.png.
Now for the hurdles/drawbacks etc.:
  1. It performs this mark-up at all times except for an embarrassingly long and apparently ever-growing number of exception cases, instead of only when "Save" is selected upon "Preview". Implementing this would solve a lot of problems but introduces ones when false-positives are flagged and/or the user wants to force a save in any case.
  2. I don't know the jQuery library well and as a consequence I suspect I have reinvented a lot of wheels a purist might improve mightily upon.
  3. Although I have attempted to make this as gadget-ready as I am able to it is clearly not there yet and needs to be formally (somehow?) split three ways:
    1. Stable code
    2. Shared scan-set
    3. User-customisable scan set
  4. The actual highlighting code might be done better using an entirely different technique.
  5. Some means of gracefully handling "false positives" needs to be added (entirely missing here.)
  6. So far as possible the temptation to turn this into a spell-checker needs to be resisted as that is a function better handled by other utilities.
In short this is only really a proof of concept, and I am not pretending it is in any way of means ready for prime-time. At best it is a stop-gap until another alternative steps forward. AuFCL (talk) 03:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi. At least someone gave it a try ... :-) I hope that this could be useful and someone will "productify" it. I will try it and give you feedbacks. Right now actually I do most of my checks using pywikibot. An idea could be to advertise it through POTM.
As I said, I do not have enough skills in this area to attempt to carry on the development, otherwise I would be glad to help you.— Mpaa (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
You got it in one. I lack the skills to do much better than this but at least it is as you say "a try" and I sincerely hope it might prompt somebody with better skills than my own to improve/supplant it. And at least doing this much has made me better appreciate features that a fuller solution might involve. AuFCL (talk) 06:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Typo corrections[edit]

Hi and thanks for all your corrections as you hover over me like the angel of typos. I recommend that you install AuFCL's script because it makes noticing typos much easier. This is my version, and it is installed as a subfolder of common.js for the time being, until it's debugged. It is called by the following code placed in the common.js:

// 
mw.loader.load('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mpaa/common.js/typoscan.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript');
// 

My version distinguishes [] square braces from {} curly braces by different color highlights. The procedure highlights typos in both the page, and the main namespace where I use it. In the main ns, it's easier to scroll through an article. When a typo is found, I open the page where its also highlighted. The script highlights most, if not all typos, but spell check is another matter. The most common spelling errors caused by poor scanning are already flagged by the scripts. But there are other words which the scan alters the meaning, but it is still a valid English word, and these are problematic but few and far in between.

Finally, I found that my most common errors overlooked, are the curly brace "{" instead of a parenthesis "(", followed by the caret "^". Volumes 1 to 5 were riddled with typos and errors, but this diminished gradually to almost none.  — Ineuw talk 03:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I prefer to use pywikibot directly. It also open a page in the browser in case of need. I am scanning PSM against most commons errors. E.g. one of the reason why "{" instead of a parenthesis "(" are diminishing might be that I scanned against them :-) ? (see https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MpaaBot). I noticed that the typo are very "volume-dependent". Now I am addressing ^.--Mpaa (talk) 19:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
WOW! At least you can say that I am consistent in my errors and their oversight. — Ineuw talk 18:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)