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Upload request (if possible)[edit]

Is anyone able to download this book [1]. I'm not able to and I'm thinking it might be because of my location. I found a copy on hathitrust but I just noticed that the title page is missing and two pages of text are also missing. I'm hoping this would have them. If it's possible for someone to download it could you please upload it over this at commons c:File:Swedenborgs Maximus Homo.pdf Jpez (talk) 06:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

OCR text layer is off for ~second half of book[edit]

Does somebody know a good way to realign the OCR text layer in this book? It's offset by one page, starting at p. 387. -Pete (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I can't speak to realignment, so I'll leave that to someone else, but you may get an even better text layer (for this particular work anyway) by enabling the OCR button in your Preferences [gadgets] and utilizing the button before proofreading each page. It appears all pages are accounted for despite the offset, and although it would be ideal to have pages match up (less confusing for future editors), it is one option. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I do have that option, but I find that in most cases, the text layer is superior to the OCR here...and regardless, it's nice to have both options, as in some works the quality varies from one page to another. This book's OCR seems to be reasonably good. So I'd like to fix and re-upload the PDF, but I don't know the best way to do it. I have PDF-shuffler installed, and it offers similar features...but I don't think this is one. Hopefully somebody knows PDF manipulation better than I do... -Pete (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
@Mpaa: do you have any ideas? Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, not for PDFs. I could help with djvu only.— Mpaa (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: See Google OCR result on Page:History of Oregon volume 2.djvu/615. You can install it for your account. Hrishikes (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes: The results look good, thank you -- but what is it that I can install, and how can I do it? -Pete (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: You can copy the Google OCR facility from my common.js to yours. Hrishikes (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I got it now @Hrishikes:, thank you! This is now a better OCR algorithm than is built into Wikisource? It seems better! much appreciated.
@Peteforsyth: Google OCR gives better output than the default Tesseract OCR here. In Bengali Wikisource, where I also work, Tesseract OCR has been deactivated in favour of Google OCR. Consensus in the community is required for including it in Mediawiki:common.js. So I have included it in my own common.js, because I require it frequently. Hrishikes (talk) 07:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Mpaa: It is in fact a DjVu, not a PDF...I was mistaken in my comment above. -Pete (talk) 05:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: It is fixed now (Note: this was an error in the original files at IA nothing to do with IAupload tool).— Mpaa (talk) 17:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Much appreciated @Mpaa:! Looks great. -Pete (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment

  • Clearly I have my head in the sand at times doing other stuff—not enough hours/days/…—I am just wondering if we have a better tool, and it is set up to be utilised that someone hasn't set it up, or hasn't asked to set it up.
  • I have set up the GoogleOCR as a gadget in the development section. We need to do some more text around that, and work out if we wish to retire the older version.

billinghurst sDrewth 23:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Billinghurst:, I have some followup but I think a new section at WS:S might be better. (?) -Pete (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Proofread extension won't display images from source PDFs[edit]

When I try to proofread a page like this one, the proofread extension doesn't display an image of the page to the right. Does anyone know how I can fix this? Obviously this makes it next to impossible to get any actual proofreading done. Abyssal (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Abyssal: -- Yes check.svg Done -- Hrishikes (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes: Thanks! Any idea what was wrong? Abyssal (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
The file was super-compressed. Hrishikes (talk) 16:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes:I'm not sure I understand... Abyssal (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@Abyssal: For some reason, the mediawiki software is unable to render compressed pdf files. Bug filed: phab:T196961. Your file was originally 793 KB, I decompressed it to 7.22 MB, now it displays. Hrishikes (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes:How do you decompress a PDF? Abyssal (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
I convert the file to a set of images. Then I rebuild the pdf without giving any compression option. I choose the 300 dpi resolution normally. Hrishikes (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, OK. Thanks. Abyssal (talk) 17:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
In short Abyssal if you are bring the file from elsewhere, upload it, and if it fails to display (and if you are not overly technical), just ask and there are some talented technical people who will help. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 22:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmm. A praise from Billinghurst counts as a reward. I'll take it as such. :-) Hrishikes (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Hah! Take a full shimmy Hrishikes smileybillinghurst sDrewth 10:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: Can you do this tiny two page PDF? Abyssal (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Abyssal: Yes check.svg Done -- Hrishikes (talk) 04:20, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Resolution and text layer in new DjVu file[edit]

I'm trying to build my competence with DjVu files. I successfully generated this file from a collection of GIFs using the process outlined here. However, there seem to be two problems with the output:

  • The resolution is lower than in the original GIF files
  • There is no text layer in the resulting DjVu file.

Can anybody shed light on these? (I downloaded the GIFs individually from here.) Mostly, I am interested in learning to do this stuff myself. IN this specific case, it's a problem because OCR on Wikisource (whether default or Google-based) seems to fail to recognize the column break, and comes up with bad OCR anyway (surely due in part to the low resolution). Pinging @Mpaa: and @Inductiveload: who I know are handy with DjVus. -Pete (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Did you get your script to do an OCR of the files to create a text layer? Help:DjVu_filesbillinghurst sDrewth 01:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
In the early years, we had regular problems with some of the scans not successfully identifying columns, though that has improved over the years from IA. Now I am unsure whether that is better scans, better OCR, or probably a combination of both. The web shows me questions for Tesseract and columns, eg. [2], so depending on what you are doing underneath the hood, is probably where you need to focus the questions. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:01, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: -- Yes check.svg Done -- Please check. Hrishikes (talk) 03:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both. @Billinghurst: I'm not sure which of the several text layer creation methods listed at Help:DjVu files you're recommending? Internet Archive upload, Tesseract, AnyDjVu? Looks like some would be more time consuming to try than others -- do you have a suggestion? I'm inclined to think that the low resolution of the file is a significant contributing factor, and I'm not sure which of these steps reduced the resolution:
convert input.gif output1.pbm
cjb2 -clean output1.pbm output2.djvu
...or how to tweak it once I've narrowed it down.
@Hrishikes: Thanks! I've proofread one of the pages, and it looks good. What did you do? I see that you did not convert the first page, and I am now unsure whether I tried OCRing anything but the first page...so I guess it's possible it's only that page that is problematic. -Pete (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Added the first page ocr. In my experience, presence or absence of ocr layer is immaterial. My quick addition of ocr-text must have proven it to you. There are many ways to fetch the ocr, if one is absent initially. In this case, both Tesseract and Google failed in column recognition. So I used ABBYY FineReader, the tool used by Internet Archive. Hrishikes (talk) 16:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I've been thinking about uploading other articles from this issue. Maybe it would be best for me to upload them to IA first so they can go through ABBYY, rather than asking you to help every time :) Hopefully I can figure out how to get higher-resolution pages into the DjVu's prior to upload, though. -Pete (talk) 16:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Sorry billinghurst, to answer your question directly -- no, I did not take any step where I was explicitly trying to generate a text layer. I just ran the two commands above, and then the djvm -i command to combine the pages into a single DjVu file. The original web site seems to have a text layer, but the files I download from there are GIFs. I'm not sure whether it's reasonable to expect their text layer to come through the GIFs and get into the DjVu, but I guess that's what I was hoping for. -Pete (talk) 16:15, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
GIFs, PNGs and JPEGs don't have a text layer, and even if textual comments are included, they can't be stored in the PBM intermediate files.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
To my understanding you need to be explicit and tell it to save with text layers, even if they were from another source, they need to be told to be present in the output file. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: I've narrowed the quality loss down to the "convert" step, which converts a PNG to a PBM. And (at least in some cases) it's bid depth that is lost, not resolution. "Convert" is part of ImageMagick. I feel like I'm close to chasing down the answer, but I'll have to come back to it on another day. Thanks everybody for the clarification and info on all the other pieces of my question. -Pete (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

PBM files are black and white. If you want greyscale, use PGM. If you want full-color use PPM or PNM.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Aah, thank you @Prosfilaes:...thumping my forehead for not looking into the purpose of the file format. Many thanks! -Pete (talk) 00:06, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Can someone help me with the tables on these two pages?[edit]

I don't know how to handle the code for the tables on the pages here and here. Abyssal (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Abyssal: There are several ways to do it, I gave one possible example here. Hope this helps! -Pete (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, @Peteforsyth:. But what if there are multiple columns like on this page? Abyssal (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Abyssal: Ah, in that case my first suggestion is probably not the best. There is a whole collection of templates designed to deal with formatted tables, which is probably the most "correct" approach, but to be honest I am not very familiar with it. I used it at the suggestion of others in this article, but I was mostly just copying and pasting code and modifying it to work, so I don't have the best overall understanding; but maybe looking through some of those pages will help point you in the right direction. If I find some time to fool around with it in the next few days, I'll try to come up with some more specific advice (if somebody more knowledgeable than myself doesn't get to it first). -Pete (talk) 00:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@Abyssal: If I was formatting the words, I would be doing them as simple tables and ignored the dot leading aspects. You can always use {{ts|ar}} to right align a cell, or you can utilise   to push the width of a digit (as digits are uniform in width). Example of some of that at The Empire and the century/The Indian Army (and an example of where it was too hard to reproduce so I cheated).— billinghurst sDrewth 03:49, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@Abyssal: Please check this and this page, is it ok now? Hrishikes (talk) 10:10, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hrishikes:Looks fantastic, thank you! Abyssal (talk) 13:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Adding link of a Wikisource article to a Wikipedia article[edit]

Hello I've recently created Remarks by President Trump and President Putin of the Russian Federation in Joint Press Conference. It is a transcript of the joint press-conference held during the Helsinki summit between President Trump and President Putin.

I think it would benefit the readers if a link to it is added in the Wikipedia article w:2018 Russia–United States summit. The press conference took place at this event. I'm however blocked from editing on Wikipedia. EncycloPetey has told me it wouldn't matter if anyone added it after I questioned him on it. I was told by Billinghurst to move the discussion here.

Can anyone therefore please add a a link of the Wikisource article I created on w:2018 Russia–United States summit? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 01:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done in this diff. -Pete (talk) 19:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
To be clear, it wasn't me, but @Clpo13:. I was looking into it and saw that it was done, just wanted to record it here. :) -Pete (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh sorry, didn’t realise that. I was in a hurry. Thank you Clpo13 for helping. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 23:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Asking copyright holder permission through email[edit]

I want to add the 2017 Hamas Charter to Wikisource as I think it will be informative and beneficial for the readers. The charter isn't available without a copyright. So can I copy and paste it here after seeking the permission from the Hamas group on its website? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 22:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Best to use WS:OTRS -- that is, follow the instructions there to have the rights holder email their release. -Pete (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hamas has given me permission. But I can't figure out what to do next nor I understand OTRS instructions. Any guidance will be appreciated. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 03:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: My apologies, I gave you the wrong link. This one describes the process: commons:Commons:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS? Briefly, you need somebody with the authority to approve a license to email the OTRS team, explicitly granting that permission. Let me know if you still have questions. -Pete (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: But I am copying the text to Wikisource. Commons allows only PDF or djvu of texts and it says you need to upload while permission is being granted. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@MonsterHunter32: From the page you linked, here is a PDF version of the document. Best process:
  1. Send permission to the OTRS team (with link to PDF)
  2. OTRS team uploads that document to Commons
  3. Create an index page for the PDF here on WS
  4. Transcribe.
An alternative is to upload the file first and add a template to the file while seeking OTRS approval.
Where possible, it's always better to use Scan-backed texts here on Wikisource. If there was no PDF available, you could create one from the web page; and even if not using a PDF or other scan, OTRS would still be the correct process, as an OTRS agent's endorsement is the thing that would give the Wikimedia community confidence that the transcription is approved. -Pete (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Sphere and Duties of Government redirect[edit]

Hi, on Page:Sphere and Duties of Government.djvu/26 I’ve encountered a redirect warning done by User:GeorgeOrwellIII who seems to have taken a very long Wikibreak. Shall I carry on regardless? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 09:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

That was a page move due to file update. No hindrance to proofreading current page. Hrishikes (talk) 09:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Tally ho! Zoeannl (talk) 10:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Jewish nation-state law[edit]

I've created Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People, if someone could add a link to it on the Wikipedia article. I think it would be beneficial as readers will easily get to know what the bill contains. I am blocked there so I would be highly thankful if someone else added it. The Wikipedia article is w:Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Would you please remove the excess wikilinks. This is not Wikipedia, and the guidance that you are looking for is Wikisource:Wikilinks. Also see Wikisource:For Wikipediansbillinghurst sDrewth 10:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, but how many is excessive? I'll remove some, if more need to be removed let me know. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 11:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I've removed much of the links, if you still need more removed let me know. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 11:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I've removed many links from other pages I created as well. Anyway if you or someone else has the time add the link of the Basic law page I created on its Wikipedia article. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 11:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: the wikilinks are also subject to our annotation guidelines. I have taken the liberty of removing all the links to Wikipedia. In general, wikilinks to Wikipedia are considered annotations unless the original document also contains a link to Wikipedia, which this one doesn't. I've also migrated the document to be proofread against the original PDF version. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: Sorry I'm not experienced at this. I created two more articles and they all have wikilinks. Should I remove links from them too? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 13:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I've removed many links on other two pages. If more is needed still let me know. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Also thanks for your help. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Archived version[edit]

An ISraeli government bill, which doesn't require permission to copy, has been removed from the government website of Knesset. But it has been archived on the Wayback machine. Is it allowed to copy the Wayback machine version of an official government text? Thanks. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 13:10, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Since you don't supply a link, it's a little difficult to evaluate your question. But if proceeding, I'd suggest making reference to the appropriate part of commons:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Israel, which will describe exactly which parts of the law define what works as being copyright free. I looked here on Wikisource and found Basic Law of Israel, which has a copyright banner at the top -- so, since I"m not personally familiar with Israeli law, I'm not sure if it's entirely clear-cut. Hopefully this helps point you in a useful direction, good luck. -Pete (talk) 15:00, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
That was not what I meant. What I meant was whether there will be any problem in using a version of the government publication on Wayback machine. However Internet Archive states that it doesn't restrict the use of its digital materials and the copyright is retained by the owners, in this case Israeli government. (https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#284). Official publications of departments of the Israeli government are exempt under copyright law. Thanks anyway. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
The Internet Archive has different (more liberal) standards for what they publish than Wikimedia. I don't know Israeli law, so the main thing would be to establish that Israelis law is in the public domain in the United States (where the Wikimedia Foundation is located). If you can find a good source where that is asserted, that will help a great deal. Once that is established, yes, you should be able to import files from the Internet Archive (or files archived by their Wayback Machine) and transcribe them here on Wikisource. -Pete (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

{{iwpages}} skipping some pages[edit]

Does anyone know why some pages are failing to transclude from frwikisource at Flower-de-Luce (Collection)/Noël ? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:30, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: I guess: the fromsection and tosection parameters are not (no longer?) optional for some reason (at least the fromsection is not). I am unsure if it is expected behaviour or a side effect of some changes. If you add sections in initial pages (in fr.ws) pointed at each template and the starting sections in the template itself, it should work. Ankry (talk) 01:06, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Is it due to empty (from|to)section tags, or non-present. Might be worth sandboxing #if: tested to see if that ameliorates the issue. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:25, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
The script uses the syntax <pages [...] tosection='' fromsection='' /> when these values are missing from the template; perhaps the behaviour of including these attributes but leaving them blank has changed. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: Yes, putting them inside quotes is an issue, though that can be different from leaving them blank and has been that way for a while, which was why I was suggesting the sandboxing to see we can identify the differences and whether we need to make them conditional

{{#tag:pages||index=filename.djvu|from=|to=|fromsection=|tosection=}}
 equates to 
<pages index="filename.djvu" from= to= fromsection="" tosection=""/>
 possibly different from
<pages index="filename.djvu" from= to= fromsection= tosection=/>

something like (in the example presuming that fromsection equates to $3, and tosection to $4)

{{#if:{{{3|}}{{{4|}}}|output1|output2}}

and that would be the simplest case, and I think that it is going to be more complex as we will need to cover 4 permutations (NN, YY, YN, NY) — billinghurst sDrewth 02:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Missing "tosection" is not a problem, as the whole page is transcluded then. So only 2 cases. Ankry (talk) 14:01, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

A broken page perhaps?[edit]

Can someone please look at THIS PAGE. In my view it looks that something is broken in the page and the images are not displayed. I am using the same template with the same layout for the 100+ images in the volume without any problems. Also purged the page with all the available purge and refresh tools but it doesn't help. The image source is STORED IN THIS COMMONS CATEGORY. — Ineuw talk 07:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Got it, with a copy-paste... Just some spaces around the hyphens :) -Pete (talk) 14:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Thanks!!!

TOCstyle work in progress[edit]

Could I have suggestions for improvements to the TOC here, please? I’m failing most on the descriptions across pages. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 09:38, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Just chiming in to say I've had a similar problem. I asked before, and I think the general answer is that certain templates use the "div" HTML element, and those ones don't do so well with page breaks. But how to handle in specific instances like this, I'm still unsure. The work I've had the most trouble with is The Early Indian Wars of Oregon. Wish I could offer more help. -Pete (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with redaction, page numbers[edit]

Hi, I'm working on transcribing Index:TEMPEST A Signal Problem.djvu, but some portions of the document are redacted, using white rectangles. What is the best way to represent this in the transcription? Also, the document itself is 5 pages, but it appears to be part of a larger (presumably classified and unreleased) document, with different page numbers. Which ones do I use for the pagelist? Sunmist (talk) 00:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

We have templates {{redact}} and {{redact2}}. Though, actually, this page has only half a caption that's not redacted -- is there is later version of this text that was declassified? Mukkakukaku (talk)
To clarify, I've used {{redact}} on other partially redacted documents obtained via FOIA requests. Mukkakukaku (talk) 01:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Wuthering Heights[edit]

There is one page of Wuthering Heights that can not be validated (page 329). Can anyone with some "technical" knowledge please take a look at this? Thanks, --Dick Bos (talk) 14:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Page:Wuthering Heights and Agnes Grey (1st edition), Volume 1 (Wuthering Heights, Volume 1).djvu/337 (page 329 of the text) and Page:Wuthering Heights and Agnes Grey (1st edition), Volume 1 (Wuthering Heights, Volume 1).djvu/329 are both green/validated. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Did we find out what the issue was, and how to fix it? I tried a few things, but was not given the option to Validate the page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: It was always validated for me. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, but it wasn't validated when I looked, shortly after Dick Bos posted the original message. At that time it was "Proofread", and I could not validate it. It is "Validated " now, and I want to know what was causing the problem, and how the issue was resolved. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: Understood--I'm just giving you a data point. I can't speak to how it was resolved; all I can tell you is that it was never an issue from when I saw it on the index or the individual pages themselves. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
I validated it. Nothing special done. I think that Beleg Tâl stepping it back to Not Proofread and then Proofread again had benefits (why, I do not now).— Mpaa (talk) 07:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
I thought it might be worth resetting the flag of who had marked the page as proofread, since that flag is used to prevent that user from validating. Glad it seems to have worked. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you for helping to fixg this little problem! Again a work completely validated! --Dick Bos (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Animal rights abuses information on Wikisource[edit]

I searched for articles related to abuses of elephants. I did find and read "Under the sun" by Phil Robinson. This is the question I am asking: When locations in the world are well known for their use of elephants, incorporating them in festivals and in tourism, can a page and links be added to Wikisource that offers information about the abuses of elephants? unsigned comment by Glca (talk) .

@Glca: There's no reason why in principle Wikisource couldn't have a repository of source material about this but it would be pretty unlikely. The way that we structure our portals tries to mirror libraries and uses a Dewey Decimal system of classification. (e.g. Portal:Socrates is under a hierarchy for Portal:Sciences of History). You'd have to drill down pretty far from Portal:Portals to find abuse of elephants in particular but it's not entirely impossible. Do you know of many original sources on this topic? —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
A subject matter page belongs in our Portal: namespace. That said it would generally only show our published work, though it may also link to other freely licensed published works. If you are looking for a modern bibliographic page, that is not generally our role, though something that we could explore. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)