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Commons djvu and Source pdf[edit]

Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998 Uploaded this as pdf but realised issues, so then uploaded as djvu file. Made index page but can't get it to refer to djvu, only pdf. However, the djvu file is still extant on Commons. Can anyone help this beginner? Susi Susi Arnott (talk) 11:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Looking for this Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.pdf? which I'd done a first pass OCR trabscribe on. Can't garuntee all the scan/typing errors removed though. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for replying; but my question was about what to do next. Presumably stick with the pdf, even though images are missing? And a beginner's guide or glossary of 'proofreading' would be great. (What the different commands mean, etc.) What happens if I've tagged a page as being 'proofread' and there are still problems? Thanks for your patience!

@Susi Arnott: Yes check.svg Done -- Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu. Hrishikes (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again! Presumably I should now go ahead and start proofreading the djvu file - but what does this box mean: The text of this work needs to be migrated to Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu Happy to put the hours in (Sunday is for Wiki now!), but would love to start from the right place :) Thanks everyoneSusi Arnott (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Susi Arnott: You'll notice that the transcription User:ShakespeareFan00 performed applied to the pages linked to the PDF version of this book, as in Page:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.pdf/3 (note the "pdf" in the title). Since the DjVu version does not have this transcribed text (i.e. Page:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu/3 does not yet exist), the text will need to be moved from the PDF's pages to the DjVu's pages. Mahir256 (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 22:16, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Could somebody post a link to the page I should start from? Don't want to be an idiot and muddle anything up, but planning to spend much of Sunday on this (learning as I go).Susi Arnott (talk) 08:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu is the index page. Susi Arnott is the generated file coming from a document that has been directly transformed, or has it been scanned to generate this version? If the former, then obviously not words to check, and it is formatting, and, if any, images to reproduce. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The original file was a pdf with several illustrations - took advice to convert online into a djvu fileSusi Arnott (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

It's a small thing but the table of contents should probably use {{Dotted TOC page listing}} to render the dots. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

We all need validation[edit]

Niger Delta Ecosystems book is nearly there;,_1998.djvu/189 Is there an at-a-glance way to see which pages I can validate, and which I've proofread myself and must now leave for others to validate?Susi Arnott (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, under "Development (in beta)", and enable the gadget "Pages I can validate", and save. It will put borders on all the page links on Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu and other Index pages: Red = page can be proofread, green = nothing to do, orange = checking in progress. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Brilliant, thank you!Susi Arnott (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Sadly I can't make this work, even following advice to 'purge'. Help with validation all the more welcome.Susi Arnott (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@Susi Arnott: Check on another Index page; it may be that nothing's showing up because there's nothing that you can do on that one. If that's not working, and purging pages and purging your local browser cache isn't working, you could try opening up the javascript console in your browser (by pressing F12 usually) and seeing if there's any errors displayed there. I'd love to get that gadget working properly (@Billinghurst says there are some errors as well). Sam Wilson 23:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Samwilson: it must be a local issue, as I have checked at plWS and Beau's gadget still works there. I will see if I can see any obvious issues over the weekend, it may be we have a competing gadget in play. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: it works for me, and has done for years. Let me know if you want a hand debugging. I reckon we could build it into the proofreadpage extension instead, if we had a mind to. Sam Wilson 06:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Works for me today too. Probably caught up with our gadget issues when we had mw.util issues and things loading in the wrong order. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 12:22, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
@Susi Arnott: If it is a recent work where edits are recent, poke your nose into the related changes link in the left sidebar. There you will see what has been edited in the last thirty days with summary, and you should be able to pick what isn't yours among other editors. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:32, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

This addition under the Index page 'discussion' tab did work - :The link above purges this Index talk page. To purge the Index page, the link is,_1998.djvu&action=purge To make it even easier, you can enable the "Clock and Purge" gadget under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets in the "Interface" section, This will add a link in the top right corner that will purge whatever page you're on when you click on it. (It also displays the time in UTC). —Beleg Tâl (talk)Susi Arnott (talk) 09:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about pasting the link for the Index talk page - that wasn't very bright of me! I was trying to avoid triggering a purge on the Index page myself. There is an open Phabricator issue for this: T114318. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 12:07, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Great that's resolved. Back to the validation issue! Collective work to get the book this far, but I can't validate any more pages myself. Can the community help?Susi Arnott (talk) 09:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Using custom OCR[edit]

If I want to use my own OCR, what is the best way to bulk upload text? unsigned comment by Dewwyd (talk) 05:43, 24 August 2017‎ (UTC). Dewwyd (talk) 06:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

The best way is to upload the book and then use this application. You will need Linux OS. For demo, see this video, after enabling subtitles. Hrishikes (talk) 06:10, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
But it looks like this forces me to use Google's OCR. I have my own. Do you know if/how I need to make a new BOT account? Dewwyd (talk) 06:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Dewwyd: Please sign your post by typing ~ 4 times. For bot approval, apply here. Hrishikes (talk) 06:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The documentation is terrible. I keep going in circles looking for how to make a bot account. Dewwyd (talk) 10:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Why would you need a Bot for OCR? As an alternative, every uploaded file get OCRed by and then, the text is available on request via 'OCR' icon in Page ns.— Mpaa (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
An generic automatic OCR will just produce trash on Fraktur or old-school blackletter, or many weird fonts, whereas there's commercial OCR for Fraktur and font training features on many OCRs.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:42, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm a novice myself, and can't answer, but wondering in what form your original text now exists? Loose printed pages, a bound book; size, number of pages, colour or B&W, in what physical condition, etc. Susi Arnott (talk) 11:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Using dropinitial with center block[edit]

I am a little frustrated to find that when using dropinitial decorated capitals in poetry, center block does not work properly. Lines are split prematurely and, for some reason, the right hand side of the page is never reached. I am therefore forced to leave the text left-justified and inset each and every line using 'gap', and this can go on for pages! The first example of this can be found on page: Landon in Fisher's Drawing Room Scrap Book 1833.pdf/4 and there are several other similar entries in that same volume. Esme Shepherd (talk) 14:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've encountered this problem also. (A better example of the behaviour is the second line of Page:Songs of a Savoyard.djvu/61.) This is actually normal CSS behaviour: the width of the centered block of text is based on the text itself, and because the dropinitial is floated it is not included in the width calculation.
I don't know of any "nice" way to circumvent this. I usually just let the lines wrap at the end. One could manually set the width of the centered block (({{center block/s|style=width:500px;}}), which is far nicer than manually insetting each line as you have done—but it is essentially a hack and isn't guaranteed to work everywhere, so I don't think it's any better than letting the lines wrap. I'd be interested to see what other editors have to say about it. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
@Esme Shepherd: Removed the {{Gap}} business. It looked like a bit of nuisance. Beleg Tâl's hack is appropriate in this case; poetry looks good if centered as a block. Please check (revert if you don't like). Hrishikes (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help. Using (Left margin) is a great help. With such a large drop capital - 12 lines in length, word wrap is too messy and doesn't match the ornament, so I've edited to make the block width wider and this looks fine. I'm happy now I have the poetry centered and I'll modify the other poems along the same lines. Esme Shepherd (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Just a note that {{center block}} and {{block center}} are different. If one doesn't work, try the other. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've figured out a better way to handle this: see User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox#FQM+Dropinitial. Perfectly centered, proper CSS, the only downside is if the number of lines shifted by the dropinitial varies. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Table help request[edit]

Easy for some, not for me. Any assistance appreciated with table on this page. Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done , much easier without tables imho —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I am no fan of tables, and less so of ToC's. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: (or anyone) Would you mind checking to see why "Poems of Nature" on this ToC page does not appear in the Main? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done -- matter of nop. Hrishikes (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Appreciated :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

math formula help please[edit]

How can I force a space in a math formula between two elements. The space is required between the "5" and the "(".


In the following example I separated them by using two sets of <math></math> tags and "&nbsp&nbsp" between, which is amateurish. — Ineuw talk 23:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


From Help:Fractions and functions (spacing) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

<math>1.75\ (10)^{-13}</math>


Much thanks Londonjackbooks. — Ineuw talk 16:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Undisplayed images[edit]

Sometime on 29th August, some of the images in Category: Fisher's drawing room scrap book Plates ceased to be displayed in the Media section, only a ? remains apart from 1832-44-Delhi.png, which has the file name included on the display. All these images do appear when clicked to view. At first they were not displayed where used on pages but this has corrected itself. The error appears to be entirely random and the images that are affected are:

File:1832-10-Palace of the Seven Stories, Beejapore.png
File:1832-18-Hurdwar, A Place of Hindoo Pilgrimage.png
File:1832-25-Grass Rope Bridge at Teree, Gurwall.png
File:1832-7-Pile of Fouldrey Castle.png
File:1833-26-Assar Mahal, Beejapore.png
File:1833-34-The Rt. Honble. John George Lambton Baron Durham.png
File:1833-36-Tomb of Humaioon, Delhi.png
File:1833-44-Sir Walter Scott Bart.png
File:1833-51-Interior of the Church of the Carmellite Friary.png
File:1833-55-Cuthbert Collingwood. Baron Collingwood.png
File:1833-7-Interior of the Collegiate Church, Manchester.png
File:1833-8-Tintagel Castle, Cornwall.png

Thirteen in all. Yesterday there were fifteen, so maybe they are correcting themselves also? Any thought s on that? Esme Shepherd (talk) 12:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Esme Shepherd: All the images are visible to me on opening c:Category:Fisher's drawing room scrap book Plates. Sometimes all images may not load when your internet speed is very slow. Hrishikes (talk) 12:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for looking. Glad all is well at your end. Don't think it's the internet speed, which seems okay, and anyway only specific images have been targeted. I will continue to monitor the situation and see if it goes away. Successfully uploaded four more images today - there will be over 250 if I complete the whole project. Esme Shepherd (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Only the first five today - still improving! Esme Shepherd (talk) 08:38, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


Hi. How can I write a wikilink to Wikisource page with match parameter? Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@IKhitron: Could you explain a bit more about what you're trying to do? What is the 'match parameter'? —Sam Wilson 01:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
I want to connect to wikisource double language page using double brackets. Match is wikisource that matchs two languages. For example,,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences can be written as Works of Martin Luther, with introductions and notes, Volume 1/Disputation on Indulgences, but I don't know how to write,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences?match=fr. IKhitron (talk) 08:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
@IKhitron: I think you just have to construct the link manually (as an 'external' link, using single square brackets). For the URL you could use a magic word, and if you don't want it to display the little icon of externality, you can wrap it in 'plainlinks'. For example: <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Works_of_Martin_Luther,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences|match=fr}} Link text]</span> gives: Link text. Sam Wilson 01:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
For more information see mul:Wikisource:DoubleWiki Extension and mw:Extension:DoubleWiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, user:samwilson and user:billinghurst. I know this, of course, but it's not what I need. It should be real internal link, if it's possible at all. IKhitron (talk) 10:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
@IKhitron: What's your use case? The main difference with an internal link is that there would be an actual record of the link existing and so features such as backlinks would work. With a link like ?match=fr this isn't possible, and so there isn't any way to make this an internal link. Sam Wilson 11:08, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
SQL database on external links. IKhitron (talk) 12:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Help with a download[edit]

I want to add here a particular book available at and but I don't have download access. Can anybody help? Hrishikes (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Fragments of Ancient Poetry[edit]

Hello. Before adding this work to New Texts, I would like to ask if its transclusion looks acceptable and what, if anything, can be done to improve it (aesthetically). E.g., there should probably be a larger space between the Title page and the Preface, right? (I tried {{nop}}, but it doesn't seem to do the trick.) Thanks in advance for any feedback. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

If you leave two blank line spaces before the nop, it will do the trick. Also, you may wish to incorporate "Lucan." into the block center template. Perhaps like:

Vos quoque qui fortes animas, belloque peremptas
Laudibus in longum vates dimittitis ævum,
Plurima securi fudistis carmina Bardi.

{{Block center|{{smaller block|''Vos quoque qui fortes animas, belloque peremptas''{{gap}}<br />
''Laudibus in longum vates dimittitis ævum,''<br />
''Plurima securi fudistis carmina'' Bardi.}}
{{right|{{smaller|{{sc|[[Author:Marcus Annaeus Lucanus|Lucan]].}}}}}}}}

Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, to create space between letters, you can use the {{sp}} template. Better than breaking up searchable text. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:43, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks Londonjackbooks! ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity (upon looking at the Lucan quotation again): is there a way (some template?) for us to provide (public domain) translations of occasional non-English quotations? While that goes beyond the duty of the faithful transcriber, I sometimes worry that most readers simply won't be able to understand such quotations without translation. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think it need be a point of worry. The curious and inquiring will dig deeper for answers. I have trouble understanding some English language poetry :) My opinion is that unless one links to another Wikisource-hosted work, we should let it be and leave it to the reader to seek things out. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:52, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
An option would be to provide a translation on the Mainspace Talk page. But definitely provide a source for the translation. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
@DanielTom: Alternatively, you can use {{User annotation}} to put a translation in the footnote. Hrishikes (talk) 03:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thank you both. ~ DanielTom (talk) 08:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@DanielTom: Keep in mind that if you add User annotations to a work, you should consider the proposed guidelines at Wikisource:Annotations giving special note to the requirements section. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I see. (I don't plan on using it.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:49, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Working out versions[edit]

Had I performed operations correctly, this would have been easier; however, I am seeking advice on how to best work out the following:

I created The world is too much with us; late and soon from an indexed source.

Already created was a Bartleby/Gutenberg unindexed version: The World Is Too Much With Us with several pages/redirects linking to it.

Do I create a versions page to include the Gutenberg &c. version? If so, do I move the Gutenberg version to "The World Is Too Much With Us (Gutenberg)"? using "The World Is Too Much With Us" as the versions page title? or do I (ugh) overwrite the Gutenberg version as a redirect? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I would say move the Gutenberg version, leaving a redirect, then turn that redirect into the version page. That way, all the incoming links go to the versions page about the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Page status radio buttons suddenly disappeared in edit view[edit]

Completed proofreading a page and wanted to set its status to /*Proofread*/ but the Page status radio buttons disappeared (as in do not exist) in the edit view. — Ineuw talk 19:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

They've disappeared for me as well. No option to set the proofreading level. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Same. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Me too. BethNaught (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
And me, at least I'm not alone. Esme Shepherd (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
I just submitted this problem to Phabricator since it appears to be global (also in the French Wikisource). Seudo (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Curious; in the meantime, is there a way to add text (instructions) to the url line when in edit mode that would instruct it to be marked as proofread once "Publish changes" is pressed? Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
The only thing that one can do is identify such pages in the summary like "Proofread" and then come back later and change them when the controls are working. — Ineuw talk 23:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I was able to upgrade a page to /*Proofread*/ by opening the page in AWB. In theory, if an editor could generate a list of pages needing such an upgrade, anyone with AWB access could run through the list and save the upgrades. BD2412 T 02:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Problem with that is that AWB saving requires you to save with your own name, so the proofreader recorded is not the proofreader. That then means that someone can validate their own work. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
It also means that anyone marking other editors' pages as Proofread would then be unable to Validate them later. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I had some thoughts to resolve those issues, but they are moot now. BD2412 T 00:08, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
It could be related to this commit from the other day. I'm having more of a look now. Sam Wilson 05:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
A fix is in the works, thanks to legoktm. Sam Wilson 06:07, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Same problem on nl-wikisource! --Dick Bos (talk) 08:18, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
OK, bug fixed. Yann (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Just confirmed, validation is possible again! Mudbringer (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Moot question now, but had we placed /* Proofread */ in the edit summary before publishing changes, would that have advanced the page to proofread? I do not know how these things work, but am curious nevertheless. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

@Yann (and others?) Thanks a lot for quickly solving this problem! --Dick Bos (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

When a book's table of contents is not sufficient[edit]

Page:Handbook_of_the_Swatow_vernacular.djvu/15 omits Lesson V and does not note the Preface that comes before it. What do I do when transcluding it? Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

The preface can be included on the work's primary page, if you like. As for missing items in the Contents, they can be set inside <includeonly> so that the information shows up when transcluded, but not when proofreading the page. It's not an ideal solution, but for something like a table of contents, the only alternative would be to create a separate ToC and not transclude the original, which is even less satisfactory. I've set up Lesson V in the ToC, though the title for the lesson might need to be changed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
That makes sense, thank you! Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:46, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Download from HathiTrust[edit]

Can anybody help in getting the book from ? It is U.S. access only. Hrishikes (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm downloading it. Do you want it uploaded to here? Is it suitable for Commons? (Hathitrust doesn't have death years for most of the authors.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@Prosfilaes: Thanks. Already added by @Mahir256:. Hrishikes (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm working on adding this The Basic English Bible without a scan, but it exists here hathitrust and her google books maybe it can be added in the same way? I don't have access to it as above. It is not copyright protected because it was published without a copyright notice. It would be nice to have a scan. Jpez (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

If Hathitrust and Google Books consider it copyrighted, there's no easy way to download it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Sections (that end on a different page)[edit]

I have been doing proofreading and also some validation on Matthew Henry's An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) - Volume 1. I notice in Page:An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828) vol 1.djvu/54 that a section end has been put at the bottom of the page. Should this be moved to the end of the chapter, which is on a different page? The same will apply to the other 15 or so chapters that have been worked on, though I suspect I haven't put any section ends in at all on some of them. --PeterR2 (talk) 08:11, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Section tags are used to mark off portions of a page when you don't want to transclude the whole page at once. So if you have Chapter 4 ending on a page, and Chapter 5 beginning on the same page, and want to transclude the two chapters on different pages later, there'll be a section for each part of that page, which you could call "ch4" and "ch5", or just "s1" and "s2". The details are explained in Help:Transclusion. The page you link to is all Chapter 1, so unless there's some strange reason I'm not aware of, the section tags are not needed on the page. Mudbringer (talk) 15:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828)#Pentateuch has links to the different chapters, which are presumably generated by those tags? But whether the section *end* tags perform any function, I don't know; i.e. whether anything will be broken if they are not put in at all or put somewhere other than the actual end of the section? Would I be better to move that Section end tag to the end of the section, even though it's on a subsequent page? Or does it have to be on the same page as the section started on? Sorry I haven't really understood what the concept of transclusion is all about.PeterR2 (talk) 08:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
First of all, the short answer is, you don't have to do anything in this case with the section tags: they aren't hurting anything. Also, putting in section tags isn't really part of the proofreading or validation process, so you usually can just ignore them, unless you're the main person organizing the presentation of a particular book.
The links to the chapters point to anchors in the text. For example the link to chapter 14 is produced by this wikicode:

[[An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828)/Genesis#ch14|14]]

The last 14 is what you see on the finished page, everything before the | is the actual link, and the "ch14" following the # points to the anchor. The anchor itself is not produced by the section tag, rather in this case there's a tag <span id="ch14">, and the use of the id attribute in an html tag produces an anchor. The more common way to do it in wikisource, is to use an anchor template: {{anchor|c14}}. You can read about that here: {{anchor}}.
Here is a typical example of transclusion: Grimm's Household Tales, Volume 1/Little Snow-White. If you click edit on that page, you'll see almost none of the text of the story is visible, it's all transcluded from pages in the Page namespace (pages beginning with "Page:"). The tag that does the transclusion is this:

<pages index="Grimm's Household Tales, vol.1.djvu" from=289 to=297 fromsection=s2 tosection=s1 />

What this tag does is pull in the text from Page:Grimm's Household Tales, vol.1.djvu/289 to Page:Grimm's Household Tales, vol.1.djvu/297. That's what transclusion is. Now the first and last of those pages have sections that don't belong to Snow White, so they have to be left out of the transclusion. This is achieved by fromsection=s2, which means, only transclude starting from the <section begin=s2 /> tag on the first page, and tosection=s1, which means, only transclude up to the <section end=s1 /> tag on the last page. That's the most typical example, but there are variations.
One thing that's really confusing at first, is that a particular section is only a part of a single page; it never extends from one page to another. So you'll almost never need to move a section tag from one page to different one. The begin and end tags are always on the same page, although the last section on the page doesn't usually need an end tag.
I hope this was comprehensible, but please let me know if some of it still doesn't make sense. Mudbringer (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Since I had not understood what was going on I just copied all the markup from the beginning of one chapter to the next (changing the numbers of course). But I hadn't put in any section ends at all in the chapters I have worked on, which means there are sections with no ends. I've also been validating some of the earlier pages that I didn't proofread myself, and this was when I realised there was something fishy about these "sections".PeterR2 (talk) 21:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)