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The so-called "Haka Mate"[edit]

I like what you did, and you have done right in your translation. I went in to read the Russian Wikipedia article in the subject and it is not nearly as complete as yours. Incidentally, there is none of the legally required attribution on the Russian article. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that the legislative of the Russian Federation doesn't feel like they need to protect a minorities right to a poem of sorts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:9a2d:c99b:0:45:d16e:c501 (talk)

Man or the State?[edit]

I’ve finished proofreading this but am not up to transcluding. If you would like to carry on, please? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 04:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Guerilla Open Access Manifesto[edit]

Please undelete, it's PD: https://archive.org/details/GuerillaOpenAccessManifestoJustin (koavf)TCM 22:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: IA is frequently known to incorrectly display a PD mark on copyrighted material. The only licensing for this work indicated by Schwartz or his heirs is the text (cc) share and enjoy on Schwartz's personal website, which is not sufficient under the Wikisource copyright policy. And lest you think that the reference to (cc) should make it allowable: Schwartz's CC license of choice (and the license that most of his other work is properly licensed under) is CC-BY-NC-SA which is explicitly incompatible with Wikisource. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah but did you read the document? It's obviously intended to be reproduced. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf: See WS:CV#Guerilla Open Access Manifesto. I fought tooth and nail for keeping this, and even I ultimately had to admit we don't have the grounds for keeping it. Quite apart from the (in themselves persuasive) arguments Beleg Tâl and Prosfilaes make in the WS:CV discussion, I talked to Aaron's estate about it and it is clear that CC BY-NC is at least as likely an interpretation of his intent as BY-SA. --Xover (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Wow. Thanks, Xover. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:43, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back![edit]

Good to see you active again; I was starting to get a little worried. :) --Xover (talk) 05:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Xover: haha, thanks. I realized I had a problem when I saw that I had learned more in the last year about obscure wikisyntax and Lua and Lilypond and SPARQL than about the stuff I'm actually paid to know about. So now I'm only checking in once in a while to make sure everything's ok. -BT 172.97.146.200 19:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
You mean you don't get paid for this wiki stuff? :)
Yeah, taking a break now and again is good for one's sanity; preferably before burning out and never returning. Enjoy (I sincerely hope!) IRL, and stop by to say hi when the fancy takes you. You'll be missed, of course, but I'll try to restrain myself from filling up your notifications with stuff that might rope you in until you're ready to dive back in. Try, mind you, but no promises! :-) --Xover (talk) 13:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

An inquiry[edit]

I understand that on 18 January 2018 you deleted from Wikisource an 1873 published lecture by Bolesław Prus, "On Discoveries and Inventions".

I know too little about the intricacies of Wikisource licensing to understand what might have been done in order to keep Prus' lecture on Wikisource.

I feel sure that this item is of value to scholarship and that no actual impediment exists to its being reinstated, if proper Wikisource licensing can be provided.

I would appreciate any advice you could give me on how this could be accomplished.

I work mostly on the English-language Wikipedia.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 05:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nihil novi: The issue is that, while the Polish original is in the public domain due to copyright expiration, the translation was licensed only under the GFDL, which is not permitted. In order for us to host such a translation it has to be compatibly licensed, typically through either a public domain dedication like {{CC0}} or through the appropriate Creative Commons license, {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}}. Technically all user contributions to Wikimedia projects (with a few exceptions that are not relevant here) are automatically dual-licensed under {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} and {{GFDL}}, but you had explicitly tagged your translation with only GFDL, which is what created the problem.
Looking at the revision history of the deleted text, it looks like you were the one to translate all of it, and that it was an original translation (you didn't copy the text from anywhere)? If that is the case, it will be sufficient if you reply here stating clearly which license you intend to apply to your translation.
There are also a couple of technicalities we need to fix: since it is an original translation by a Wikisource contributor (vs. a previously published translation) it needs to live in the "Translation:" namespace (i.e. we need to move the page to the correct place); and the translated text should be backed by a scan and proofread in the Page: namespace as well as having the Polish original proofread in the Polish Wikisource.
Beleg Tâl is busy IRL right now, but if you need assistance with these things just let me know and I'll follow up on your talk page. --Xover (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Xover (talk), thank you for your kind reply.
I am indeed the translator of Bolesław Prus' published lecture, "On Discoveries and Inventions", from the original Polish into English.
I found the original Polish text on Project Gutenberg: O odkryciach i wynalazkach: A Public Lecture Delivered on 23 March 1873 by Aleksander Głowacki [Bolesław Prus], Passed by the [Russian] Censor (Warsaw, 21 April 1873), Warsaw, Printed by F. Krokoszyńska, 1873. [1]
The Project Gutenberg text can serve for verification of my translation.
I do not know the differences between licenses {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}} and {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} but will happily take your advice to add the latter.
If there is anything further I need do in this matter, or if I need to urgently return to this page (as I do not visit Wikisource daily), could I be notified at my Wikipedia talk page?
Please forgive my ignorance: what is "IRL"?
Thank you again for your help!
Nihil novi (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I've just found the definition of IRL ("in real life").
Nihil novi (talk) 03:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

he.wikisource "In other languages" broken link[edit]

Hi, the page

https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94

has "In other languages" in the bar on the right, pointing to

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Shulchan_Aruch/Yoreh_Deah

which is the old deleted location, but when clicking "Edit," the Wikidata entry is correct, en: Translation:Shulchan Aruch/Yoreh Deah So why is this error? Nissimnanach (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Nissimnanach

@Nissimnanach: It is set manually. Manual links override the Wikidata entries. I fixed it. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

occupational categories rejig[edit]

I have set up proof of concept conversions for some of the occupation categories

and the requisite Template:Category disambiguation and configured HotCat to not allow the category's addition, and instead to show the sub-cats. Hoping that you are a HotCat user and willing to test and confirm that this will work. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Though maybe the template should be renamed to align with c:Template:MetaCatbillinghurst sDrewth 05:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I can confirm that I could not add this page to category:Physiologists using HotCat. I like this idea, good initiative on your part. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Annotated editions[edit]

Unless something has changed, annotated editions should have (Annotated) appended to their name rather than being subpages of the unannotated version. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: WS:ANN says "The format is not fixed but could work like version disambiguation (eg. "Foo (annotated)", where Foo is the name of the original work), with a clear description as the title (eg. "The Annotated Foo"), or as the subpage name (eg. "Foo/Annotated", where Foo is both the original work and the basepage)." As it happens {{Annotation header}} assumes the subpage format as the default. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:30, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
That is a draft proposal, not a guideline. It also does not explain why you moved an existing page with a naming format in that list to a different naming format on the same list. The header template you mention does permit the use of independent pagenames through the inclusion of a parameter; it does not mandate a subpage. The template also predates the draft proposal by two years, and has never been heavily used or publicized. It is quite possible that its function does not align with the proposal. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Jack Okham & Tom Splicewell[edit]

Regarding this. These are part of the NLS transcription project, and in addition to not wanting to summarily delete something they expended resources on for reasons of keeping the relationship sweet, it is possible they had specific reason for transcribing multiple copies of the work. Could I ask you to withdraw the speedy, and if you still think it should go then do it through WS:PD? They're really not very well embedded in wiki culture so I try to treat them with kid gloves as much as possible so we don't scare them off. --Xover (talk) 13:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

The edits to the Lacnunga items are not great[edit]

The text that has been uploaded to https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Leechdoms,_Wortcunning,_and_Starcraft_of_Early_England/Volume_3/Lacnunga while interesting due to being a truer reproduction of the writing style -- is much harder to parse and not nearly as convenient or useful as to what preceded it.

This format was much better: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Leechdoms%2C_Wortcunning%2C_and_Starcraft_of_Early_England%2FVolume_3%2FLacnunga&type=revision&diff=9996288&oldid=6662777

Could we somehow get those back?

Brimlar (talk) 23:29, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Brimlar: Wikisource-hosted texts are reproductions of existing publications. The previous version of this text did not accurately reproduce the publication it was copied from, and this has been fixed. If you can find a scan of a public-domain publication of this text that uses Latin script instead of Insular script, we can add this publication to our collection as well. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Help is needed for Index:A Collection of Esoteric Writings.djvu[edit]

Hello, Beleg Tâl!

I have noticed that you previously did some correcting edits on pages of Index:A Collection of Esoteric Writings.djvu related to Indic scripts, for example this, so may be you give advices for that work — how to deal with Indic (Devanagari) sentences. I don't know Devanagari (as well as all other Indic scripts, I know at good extent only Cyrillic and Latin scripts), so I avoid to do proofreading those inscriptions myself (I'm afraid I might do mistakes in them). So I have such questions — may be you can help and answer them:

1) If I proofread all the pages but leave problematic pages without processing Devanagari — could I put the final work to Template:New texts in order to put the work on the frontpage of the Wikisource? Or should I try to get assistance from other users first to proofread those pages, and only after that put the book onto the frontpage? What the rules/policies say about that? (perhaps you as an admin should know that well?)

2) If I want to get help from others — where I could go for that — is it OK to open a topic on Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help? Or may be other pages are designated for such purposes as proofreading problematic foreign scripts? --Nigmont (talk) 19:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nigmont: Tagging the text with {{indic missing}} will add the page to Category:Pages with missing Indic characters where it can be handled by an editor who is familiar with these characters. Unfortunately there are not many such editors, so it can be a long time before someone deals with it that way. In the meantime you can definitely post on Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help to see if anyone is able to assist sooner. The work should not be added to Template:New texts until all text, including the Indic text, has been proofread. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Alright, so I think I will create a topic on Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help to invite users who can be of help. Thanks for information! --Nigmont (talk) 20:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)