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From Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding[edit]

From the list of works at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding, I come up with names

  1. Mpaa
  2. Kathleen.wright5
  3. Samwilson
  4. Feydey
  5. GreyHead
  6. Clockery
  7. EncycloPetey
  8. Billinghurst
  9. Phe
  10. William Maury Morris II
  11. Reguyla
  12. Keith Edkins
  13. Zhaladshar
  14. Rochefoucauld
  15. Carriearchdale
  16. Londonjackbooks
  17. Slowking4
  18. WeeJeeVee
  19. Dick Bos‎
  20. Pelagic
  21. Akme
  22. Pixelwarrior
  23. Wurstmaster
  24. AlbertBickford
  25. Tar-ba-gan
  26. Xpctr8
  27. JoshuaKGarner
  28. 25akk
  29. Beleg Tâl‎
  30. Lo Ximiendo
  31. Sam.hill7
  32. Whittingtonpaul

There is an extended list at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works that I have yet to check. I'm happy to botify the user page badges if that makes things easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Additionals on my list:

  1. Beeswaxcandle
  2. Moondyne
  3. Peteforsyth
  4. Stagerj
  5. WhatamIdoing
  6. Zeete

Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Another: User:Gumr51 in Mexico city, Mx. who has also posted his name, Raul Gutierrez, several times. —Maury (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I didn't see that Gumr51 was working on the validation works, can you point me to where. The validation works doesn't show up more names, though I also find Hrishikes at Category:Indexes validated in November 2014, and that shows me 26 works completed, which will be the number with which I work. I will get the bot to update. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
OOPS ! No sir, Gumr51 didn't work on the validations for November that I am aware of and I cannot think of an excuse for my misstatement but I do apologize for it. U LL DIE IN AGONY BITCH!


September POTM award[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle, I would like to consult on the following: I feel that September award] is too much for the couple of pages I edited, with some of my edits later rejected by other editors for good. How do you find out about contributors participation and judge about their eligibility for awards? I would like to look into my contributions critically and try to organize my work better given your advice. Best regards and thanks for your many good works, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I was asked similarly, and I have explained that it is a participation award,. @Tar-ba-gan: it is your user page and it is up to you whether you wish to retain it. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Text rendering[edit]

Hello, Beeswaxcandle. Looking for your opinion as to how a poet might want his text rendered if he had use of a full screen. Please see "In a Night of Midsummer" on this page, and feel free to apply changes. Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I suspect he would have restricted the width. The lines are unbalanced as they are, with the header looking lost. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Any length recommendations keeping in mind eReaders, etc? 300px/400? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
My eReader copes with anything up to 500px, but this doesn't leave enough white-space around the centered block. Have a look at 375 and see how it goes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Delete an Author Page?[edit]

Good Evening!

Some time ago, I created an author page for Archdeacon Walls (I still don't know his first name) because I had a letter that he wrote to Jonathan Swift. Well, it turns out that Swift wrote the letter to Walls. I believe that I’ve replaced the first (wrongly identified) letter with the second (correctly identified) letter on Swift's author page, in the index, and in volume 11 of Swift's works. But that leaves the author page for Archdeacon Walls. I had also added his name to the Author Index:Wa. But without this letter, he wrote nothing that I know of. I've therefore removed the letter from his author page, but I didn't mark the author page for deletion, in case there is a reason to keep it. I know of no reason to keep it. Would you like for me to go ahead and mark it for deletion?

I’m still wondering if you had any comments about my earlier question about links in poetry? I have decided to do what I did in Gulliver's Travels -- I added links to things that are real (like England and Holland) and I didn't add links to things created for the story, (like Luggnagg and Gulliver). Do you agree with this?

Thank you for your help. Susan Susanarb (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted the author page as a quick search shows nothing to identify him and therefore nothing to link him with any works.

With respect to links, I tend to keep them light and only link to things or words that are essential to understanding—and wouldn't be understood by the average intelligent reader in the target audience for the particular work. In Gulliver's Travels I wouldn't link to England or Holland as these are common terms that you can expect readers to understand. I also wouldn't link to terms like Luggnagg as it's obviously an invented name in the book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for those comments. I started off doing that a long time ago. For example, I would only link to places that were lesser known, like Hanover. But then there's Ireland, which was clearly a reference to the old Kingdom of Ireland, and not either form of Ireland as it is now. Or how about Winchester, an important city in England, but not as well known outside the country. Then there are all of the terms that were popular in the early 1700s (like Whig, Tory, freethinking, etc.), and the people who are sometimes known by less recognized titles (like the treasurer for Robert Harley, or the Prince of Orange for King William III). After a while, there were so many links to words that were either lesser-known or outdated, the other words that may be better known looked out of place, so I started inserting links for anything for which more than a dictionary might be helpful to those who were not students of the era. I still like your thought to only link where essential to understanding, and that's how I’ll continue. Thanks! Susanarb (talk) 17:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

A notice of deletion from the Commons[edit]

I think that I uploaded this book for you last March, and now I got a notice of intended deletion. I am not sure at all if it was you, so forgive me if I made a mistake.— Ineuw talk 01:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

It wasn't me. Could have been @EncycloPetey: as this is more in his interest area. However, the deletion request on Commons has been withdrawn. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't check its status in the past 60 minutes. :-)— Ineuw talk 02:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
For the record, it wasn't me, but I am glad to see the book will not be deleted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:07, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Index:New York arcade railway as projected .. (McAlpine, William Jarvis, 1884).djvu[edit]

Definitely interesting. Minor issue is that pp. 11 and 10 appear to be transposed in the scans. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Went on safari today.[edit]

Long story short - I made the mistake of using my iPod for more than just music just now and either

  • a.) I don't know enough about my iPod to deserve owning one in the first place; or
  • b.) There is nothing to know (the browser & the OS' share the same build number or something).

Ascertaining the OS was no problem (8.1.2 - only because I hadn't used it for so long, an interim update was waiting for my OK all that time).

Any clue as to where I should be looking for Safari's build no. on a 5th gen iPood? -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know for sure as I don't have a web-capable iDevice. Apple usually put version numbers for their softward in "About ...". Try Settings> Safari and see if there is an "about" option to choose. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
That's just it, I go to [General] settings --> About and its all about the hardware and some key settings(ver., model., serial, WiFi MAC, Bluetooth MAC etc). Everything else in "settings" has do with preferences etc.

I wish I never did this. Safari aside, Wikisource is absolutely worthless in mobile mode if you manage to get past the Main Page. The layouts are anything but pleasant to the eye, nothing works except maybe opening the article's talk page and there is literally no easy way to navigate (not even to subpage) without using search.

So thanks anyway - I guess I'll just post my results against the OS and that's that. How much of a difference could there be? Its not like dealing with Microsoft products. -- George Orwell III (talk) 06:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template[edit]

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi. Would you mind helping me with this greek Page:Impressions- A Book of Verse.djvu/59? TIA--Mpaa (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done . I've left the spacing to you to do, as I don't want to be inconsistent with other pages in the book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Correct formatting[edit]


I'm unsure of how to correctly format something within the following page; I'm specifically unsure of how to format the; "Yours most sincerely..." section. I've tried to figure out how to format/code it properly within the help section, but couldn't find the information there. If you could point me in the right direction, that would be great.

Regards, Deathbringer404. Deathbringer404 (talk) 09:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

These right hanging multi-line signatures are a bit of a nuisance to layout consistently and still have them flow to different screen sizes. George devised the {{SigR}} template to cope with this (and I see he's already inserted it there). It's not something that's in the help pages, and it would be a good idea to put it there somewhere. Which help page would make the most sense to you when trying to find it? By the way, on that same page there is a wider gap before the last paragraph. To represent this break in thought it would be best to use a double line break. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
It would probably make most sense in either the indenting, or the paragraph section. Thanks for the assistance, and have adjusted for that wider gap.

Deathbringer404 (talk) 02:29, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Opinion sought[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if I could get your opinion as to whether I should devote Mainspace pages to book sections or to individual poems for this work. The work itself is not long, but the longest section is about 60 pages long. I have done so for even longer sections in other works, but every work is a different case. What are your thoughts? Thanks for your input, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

My personal preference would be separate pages for each poem, partly because there is a numbered sequence anyway, and partly because doing so allows the reader to focus on a single poem. I don't think Bridges was aiming at comparative study on language, style or form, rather he was just making them available to a wider readership. What are you thinking about doing with the current non-scan backed versions of Hopkins' poems? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I think most if not all of the non-scan backed versions may have been copied from or from some other online source, but I could be wrong. There is no attribution on Talk pages, and no information I could gather in the creating editor's history. I was thinking of either moving the existing pages to the scan-backed version or making them redirects if I chose the section route. I am open to suggestions. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Added note: Three of the non-scan backed poems listed on the Author page are not included in the work: "It was a hard thing to undo this knot" | "Thee, God, I come from, to thee go" | "To him who ever thought with love of me". The last two poems are numbered at as #s 73 & 74 respectively in the 1918 work (as stated), but they are not present in the scan here at WS, which ends at #72. Perhaps a later edition included extra poems? Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
More thinking out loud: The two poems mentioned are mentioned in the Notes of the scan (see), which makes me think we may be missing a page or two. Drat. I'll keep digging... Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I have emailed a couple booksellers who are selling first edition copies of the book hoping they might be able to supply information as to whether the two poems in question are indeed contained in the work, and on what page(s). The TOC states that the facsimile "of an Unfinished Poem" begins "at p. 92". Poem #72 ends on page 90. That would leave a page 91, and perhaps another page after the facsimile pages... We'll see! Can't find another version online. I believe only 750 copies were made, so the book is scarce. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I've looked at the book and pagelist in detail. There appears to be a facsimile image missing between 70 and 71 (or the second blank page shouldn't be there). This is because pages have to be in pairs.

I'm not sure that poem #72 does end on page 90. This is because of the asterism at the bottom of that page. Bridges seems to be using asterism to indicate a break in the text, and hasn't put it at the end of any other fragments. Also, the footnote at the bottom of p86 says that the facsimile is "after p. 92." So, yes, pp 91 and 92 are missing from this scan. I don't know what to suggest at this point. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I will sit on it and wait for either another version to surface online or to hear back from the booksellers. Whether they would be willing to send scans is probably unlikely... Their books are being sold at $6000 and $12000. Bummer. Thank you for your input. I will copy your response to my 'Housekeeping' page for future reference. Thanks :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to delete Module:Tl[edit]

Hello. I was the IP attempting to draw attention to the apparent oddity represented by the above module. Unfortunately in removing my (malformed?) {{speedy}} request you also removed visibility of my change comment indicating the potential issue.

I may well be flogging a dead pony here (and am not at all sure why I am bothering) but I shall try one last time to reconstruct my concerns and let you (or @AdamBMorgan:) decide whether or not to proceed:

  • Module:Tl is not LUA which means its code as it currently stands can never be utilised. It is pointless to move it into the Template: namespace as it is merely a cruder version of the already existing {{tl}}. (I never thought I would ever need to type such a thing.)
  • As far as I am able to determine Module:Tl is not referred to in any way.
  • Why did I not put the speedy directly into that module? Because it is not a namespace in which template usage is recognised and thus you would never see the flag. I tried to compromise by putting the request into talk space and you clearly did not recognise the implications.

I hope that by writing to you in simple words I might have tweaked your curiosity sufficiently to give this some actual, real consideration before binning the whole matter as too anal to deal with. (I am wasting all three of us' time, aren't I?) 10:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Just to let you know I've requested the deletion of this non-module. I concur with the bulk of the above and this discussion comprises the sole (remaining? I assume there were more once?) link to the whole mess. AuFCL (talk) 07:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

The Wiggles Live at Disneyland[edit]

I wish somebody wanted to create a page on Wikipedia about an Australian television special broadcast on Disney Channel Australia in 1998 and taking place in Disneyland. It's called "The Wiggles Live at Disneyland". What do you think, guys? Dcelano, 00:17, February 2, 2015, (UTC)

This is Wikisource, not Wikipedia. See WS:WWI for details of what we cover. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Boy Land Boomer.djvu[edit]

Beez, I enjoyed working with you on this book! Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you [Beez should say] ....and "You're welcome" [says I] because it would have taken a long time waiting for someone to validate all of those pages. As it is the book was competed in one night. —Maury (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you [Beez should say] ....and "You're welcome" [says I] because it would have taken a long time waiting for someone to validate all of those pages. Validators aren't so plentiful. As it is the book was competed in one night. It was and remains a matter of good manners on my part. —Maury (talk) 07:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Story of the House of Cassell (book).djvu[edit]

BWC, Thank you for doing the Illustrations List. —Maury (talk) 13:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I cannot Validate this page[edit] —Maury (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Public domain speeches by Leonard Nimoy[edit]

Please see Author talk:Leonard Simon Nimoy.

I believe this speech in video file at bottom of page, -- is public domain. -- Cirt (talk) 03:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

It's just a fancruft blog. Is there a specific release for that speech? Remember that copyright subsists automatically unless one of the exceptions is met. Do note, however, that the copyright author template allows for the occasional work to be PD. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Not sure yet. Still in process of research. Only created author page mere moments ago. Please bear with me. Have patience. Thank you for your tolerance, -- Cirt (talk) 03:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Question: How else to document and collate all works "about" an author, if the someone else wishes to disappear the Wikisource author page itself from existence? Can I create a category about the author? What is wrong with having the page with an "about" section to help catalogue free-use-licensed works "about" the author? -- Cirt (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
The Author namespace is not intended to be a topic namespace. See the notes at the beginning of Help:Author pages for general instructions. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not asking you what it's not for. I'm asking you for help. How to catalogue such pages together, if not by using an author page? -- Cirt (talk) 04:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Read the notes on the Help page: If highly notable, then use a Portal. I personally don't think this applies to Nimoy. However, others may disagree with me. I would link to the various documents from his WP article and not worry about linking them together here. This is after all the point of WS. If there are biographical documents, then a category under some section of Category:Biographies would be appropriate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:36, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'll consider it, but respectfully disagree at this time. Please note: still in the process of additional research -- there's gotta be more free-use works by and related to this author. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 17:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
With all due respect, BWC's PoV is pretty much the practice if not the policy itself around here in my opinion too. At best, the About section is the only part that should be / could be kept thanks to the existence of the tributes being linked from there. All the other stuff has no chance of ever becoming PD in our time so it's just "padding" & doing Amazon's work for them (thats what Wikipedia is for; not Wikisource plus you kinda lost that argument the second you linked back to Wikipedia articles from within the list(s)). -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I thought it was standard practice to list works on a page by an author, both those that are and those that aren't yet public domain? -- Cirt (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

How do I get administrative rights?[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle! How I can get administrative rights? It would be quite helpful for me since I am having trouble deleting pages that I've accidentally created.Aphillipsmusique (talk) 05:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

The relevant page that explains what adminship means here is WS:Adminship. I've just made my standard quick review of your contributions, and if you were nominated at this stage, I would have to say "not yet." For me, I need to see that you have a diverse range of edits that demonstrate knowledge of our policies and guidelines. I don't see that yet. If you accidently create a page that you no longer require, please mark it with {{sdelete|reason}}, where "reason" is one of those listed at WS:CSD. Several admins have the speedy deletes on our watchlists and requests are usually dealt with within a few hours. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting that PDF so quickly. Cheers. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 19:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Undelete and userfy?[edit]

Since you replaced the JPG with a DJVU, you deleted this: Page:Oregon, My Oregon.jpg

I was very interested to pore through the edit history of that page, to learn more about LilyPad. (I also thought saving a JPG of the lyrics-only portion that you did first might be worthwhile.) Could yo undelete it, and maybe move it to my user space? -Pete (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done —Now at User:Peteforsyth/Oregon, My Oregon.jpg Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


Beez, do you have other books that are almost finished and need to be validated? If so, please list them here. —Maury (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Nearly all of mine either have lots of pages waiting to be validated or someone has already kindly done them. However, there is Index:Authority and Knowledge.djvu that would like a little attention. Thanks.Yes check.svg Done —Maury (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

By the way, do you want to tackle the index of the Cassell's book over the next week or so? Then we can mark that as complete, too. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I have never been good at the use of codes such as


because I have never studied them or looked them over closely. However, there are other ways to do the Index and I will try to do the Index pages. —Maury (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Unsure as to what to do.[edit]

Mattj2000 uploaded a copy of PSM volume 32 of an unknown printing, where THIS PAGE and AND THIS should have been inserted prior to THIS PAGE which would have been its proper places in the PSM scheme of things. The copy of IA which I use as a reference, [1] and the next page Image show the proper page placement.

Downloaded the djvu file to my desktop but cannot decide if it's worth to replace the old copy, because I don't know how to shift the .djvu pages on the commons. Your input would be most valuable. — Ineuw talk 19:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

We don't need to shift pages on Commons do we? We just need to shift them here with one of Mpaa's bot runs. Or is it images that will have the wrong name between 155 and 272? An alternative is to just transclude the image into the right place in the mainspace and not worry too much about the Index sequence. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. My preference is to fix the original. D271 and D272 should be D153 and D154 and left a message for Mpaa.— Ineuw talk 19:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


My account was compromised during my absence - enable an indef block to prevent further damage to wiki projects. Thanks for collaborating. --BScMScMD (talk) 18:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Move request[edit]

Need moves as under:

  1. The Home and the World/Chapter 3 to The Home and the World/Chapter 3/Bimala's Story (after deleting existing page at destination)
  2. After move, replacement of content by content at The Home and the World/Chapter 3/Bimala's Story Temp
  3. Followed by deletion of the temp page

This is required to keep the edit history of the original chapter 3 page, which was contributed to by other editors in the past.

With thanks, Hrishikes (talk) 06:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to disturb, but need another move. Pages at Index:On the Change of Conductivity of Metallic Particles under Cyclic Electromotive Variation.djvu need to be moved to Index:Collected Physical Papers.djvu. I had started, then remembered your advice. Hrishikes (talk) 05:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

License Information[edit]

Beeswaxcandle, you put some add-license tag on top of a translation I did. What am I supposed to put on the page if the original work is in the public domain and if I'd like my translation to be in the public domain? That's the case with the poem.Paperpencils

All works hosted here must have license details. Works without license details can be deleted. Translations need two licenses, one for the original work and one for the translation. Please see Help:Copyright tags#Translations & Help:Beginner's guide to copyright#Special notes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

POTM April[edit]

In case you need it: .— Mpaa (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
While I am at it, POTM May:— Mpaa (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Using a bot to mass-populate Vols. 35-36 in the Southern Historical Society series[edit]

Hi and a belated "thank you" for your welcome-post when I joined wikisource last fall. I've been working with user Maury on the Southern Historical Society series and had a technical question. Is it possible to use (or resurrect) a bot that would populate the pages of a volume in the series with text from an updated djvu file that I upload to commons? I've been working on a script to unhyphenate the text, including cross-page hyphenations, in a wiki-compatible way. I thought I'd keep my question simple, but if you're curious, you can see the details on my talk page. Dictioneer (talk) 14:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC) ps: I’ve also posted a similar query with user AdamBMorgan, but I understand that at the moment he has little time to devote to the project.

OK, what needs to happen is that the "pink" pages on Volume 35 need to be deleted to allow the new text layer to show up. To show what I mean, I've just manually deleted Page:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 35.djvu/33. Now, your revised text layer shows up. However, when I look at it there are paragraphing problems. We need to have two "carriage return" characters to mark paragraphs. Otherwise they will transclude as a single flow of text. I think this needs fixing before we go to the step of deleting the current versions.

For the step of getting a bot to do the needed tasks, you need to place a request on the Bot requests page and one of the bot owners who has the delete page permission will do a run. The criteria I suggest are a) page status = NotProofread; and b) only one editor (LA2-bot). This will prevent deletion of non-bot contributions. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I’ve attempted to implement your suggestions and re-uploaded Vol. 35. I’ve test-loaded but haven’t saved p. 33, so if you go back to Page:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 35.djvu/33, you’ll see the revised text emitted, hopefully per your spec. Further suggestions are welcome, either here or on my talk page. Thanks for the information, and I promise I’m not trying to drag you into this project, but since you had specific technical suggestions it would be helpful to me to know if I have correctly interpreted them. Once I get a green light from you I will upload again and put the suggested message on the suggested page. I have also responsed to you on my talk page, but don’t feel like you need to continue that conversation unless it interests you. Dictioneer (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Answered on your talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Umm: April POTM?[edit]

Hi. You might want to delete this revision after reading to save embarrassment.

Was "Proofred of the Month" a deliberate play on words perhaps (instead of Proofread&c.?) I believe all of Aphillipsmusique, BD2412, Beleg Tâl/Userboxes, Billinghurst/awards, Bradype, Carriearchdale, DutchTreat, Einstein95, EncycloPetey, Erasmo Barresi, FALVES, George Orwell III, GreyHead, Hazmat2, Highlandpark1, Hrishikes, Jimregan, Kathleen.wright5, Keith Edkins, Legofan94, M-le-mot-dit, MartinPoulter, Michael Barera, Nonexyst, Pathore, Prtksxna, Rochefoucauld, Samwilson, Siddhant, Slowking4, Tar-ba-gan, WhatamIdoing, William Maury Morris II, Wurstmaster, Xaviersc and Zhaladshar are affected. AuFCL (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed (all hopefully).— Mpaa (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

" You have Mail ! "[edit]

I sent a private mail to you. Please check on it. —Maury (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Nothing's turned up in either the inbox or the junk folder. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:58, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm, well that's okay. The Riders of the Pony Express told me they met a huge body of water (flash flood?) on the way there anyhow so they turned back. —Maury (talk) 02:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, but as we know—the Pony Express always gets through. And indeed they now have. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
True, he waited for the tide to go out and crossed over the big pond on a flat-bottom raft while still sitting on his horse. I was informed of this last night via an undersea telegraph. —Maury (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Beeswaxcandle, young fellow, (pretty) please validate these few pages, easy, only about 34 pages and short. Validation will make it a completed work. —Maury (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Maury

    • Thank you so much for validating those pages. As a return favour I validated a good number of your pages in about 3 or 4 books including Doctor Thorne. Kindest regards good man, —Maury (talk) 08:54, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Travels in the Levant[edit]

I hadn't attempted to link them, I put the main text ones as {{sup}} and formated the block at the end as a semi-list IIRC.

You should therefore be free to implement an approproate scheme. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the explanation --Historiador1923 (talk) 02:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

About Jeeves[edit]

Hi, why did you remove the links before the discussion was over? Why such a tearing hurry? I have uploaded the file here. See page 7 of Index:Right Ho, Jeeves.djvu and also the page before taking decision. If you are still dissatisfied, you are welcome to delete the file. Hrishikes (talk) 04:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I removed the links because they are spurious. I'm not in a tearing hurry, simply performing my duties as a Wikisource administrator. One of those duties is to uphold the copyright policy. I have already looked at those items and have done my own research, including consultation of the reference books in my personal library. There is simply no way that the apparent dates in those scans are correct. Somewhere there has been manipulation. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Deleting is your prerogative as admin; I have nothing to say in that matter. I had added the work in good faith and I don't have the knowledge or research capability of your caliber. However now I see that the 1922 reference is also available at many places on the net, e.g., 1 (The New York Public Library Literature Companion, under My Man Jeeves), 2, 3. So, seems to me that there is a controversy here. Anyway, no need to reply; this also ends the discussion. Hrishikes (talk) 05:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Looking for a Wikisource list[edit]

Hi. I've uploaded & installed some new .djvu works, and I am sure we have a list of new works somewhere where I can/should list it, but can't find it. Could you point the way please?— Ineuw talk 05:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

There's nowhere to list incomplete Index: pages, other than the automatic Category. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, the Category is fine. — Ineuw talk 17:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Rival Pitchers.djvu[edit]

Beez, I hope that I did not annoy you when you were working on this book. I am aware I surfaced immediately behind you but that wasn't intended. Anyhow when I saw you I went in the opposite direction validating your pages. My very kindest regards to a very good person, —Maury (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I've been flicking between several books at the same time. I seem to get more done that way. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I think several of us do that. It is what I was doing when I saw a page of your book. I believe Ineuw does the same thing, or at least he used to. Perhaps the best way is to work on a complex book and then an easy and casual work. —Maury (talk) 08:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Match and Split doesn't really work for EB[edit]

hi, i see your update to the EB1911 index status. but really for volume 26, 27 ? i was thinking "Source file problem" was more appropriate, until the index size issues are resolved. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 14:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I've no problem with that status for those two volumes, I was more focused on clearing out the apparent backlog on Match and Split. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


Thank you. :) Green Giant (talk) 11:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Mentoring needed[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your welcome last spring. I migrated over from Distributed Proofreaders and have been proofreading-started with Popular Science and have added some philosophical works to the stable. Just finished Treatise of Human Nature, yeah. I have been embarrassed to be told that I am a terrific proofreader. Not so, just well-trained. What I think I am better at than most is picking up how wiki works but I still have a lot to learn and feel obliged to try to do something about the (written) Help (which hasn’t helped me much) because I think there would be a lot of trained proofreaders at DP who would get a lot out of proofreading at Wikisource if the transition could be made easy. And their bottleneck is "post-production" and wiki-ing could help get their proofreaders into that …

Anyway, I’m contacting you specifically because my Mum lives in Auckland (North Shore) and we’re staying the first week of the school holidays (27 Sept-) and I’ve decided to try and meet some Wikipedeans while there and found out you were in the area (still with me?). So are you sociable? I’m not much in to chit chat, would like to talk about Wikisource and what it’s about and/or some help to overcome my fear of templates/programming/stuff. Or are there meetings that happen? Any contact (with anyone) would be great, Zoeannl (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC) (from Hawkes Bay)

I had wondered if you were local. I'd be happy to converse and/or meet up when you come up. My email link (in the tools) is active, why don't you send me a message via that and then we can sort something out in RL? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I tried emailing, pushed the button to get an email to myself but haven’t received it. Did you get it? Zoeannl (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I've not received anything. Did you use the "Email this user" in the tools section of this page? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Tested out of curiosity. —Maury (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It was from this page and it said to Beeswaxcandle from zoeannl… I’ll have another go. Zoeannl (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I know it was this page. I saw it and I think it would be wonderful if you and Beeswaxcadle could get together. Here I am thousands of miles away and you two in New Zealand can't get together. Even I have communicated with ""Beez" and I am in the USA. He invited me to his birthday party there! You should really try to connect with him because "Beez" is a nice person, smart, and helpful. He always has been for *years* with me. Try to send me a test mail to me or better yet I will try to send you one that that you can try to respond to. My real name is as I sign it. Use ~ 4 times to sign your name on Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 05:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

July POTM awards[edit]

Beez, are you going to do the July POTM awards? Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 12:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but as the July awards are quite complex I need to have the brain-space to deal with them. I think I'll do them at the same time as August. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Treasury of War Poetry[edit]

Some time ago you had mentioned that you were prompted to validate the TWP because AdamBMorgan had possible plans for it in the future. Do you remember what those plans were? I would ask on his Talk page, but he has been away for a time. Just curious, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

We were talking about having a "Poem of the Day" on the Mainpage, and I was thinking to use some of the poems from TWP on the 100th anniversary of writing them. Unfortunately, the idea didn't leave the thinking-board. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Ohkay. I remember talk about having a Poem of the Day, but was not aware that the two were necessarily related. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Merge your page tools into Wikisource:TemplateScript?[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle. In September 2014 I created MediaWiki:TemplateScript/pagetools.js based on your page scripts in User:Beeswaxcandle/common.js. This is part of Wikisource:TemplateScript, which aims to avoid users copying scripts verbatim into their own common.js, where they're no longer maintained. It collects useful scripts into one place so anyone can use them with a few lines like this:

 * Add several tools useful when proofreading pages in the Page: namespace.
 * @see [[Wikisource:TemplateScript]]

Unfortunately the two versions then drifted apart — you continued developing your common.js, and pagetools.js was refactored to simplify the scripts using newer TemplateScript features. What do you think of merging your changes into MediaWiki:TemplateScript/pagetools.js and maintaining that instead? (I could take care of the merge.) —Pathoschild 02:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I've made any changes to the scripts, or have I? Most of my edits of common.js are to set up (or adjust) running headers for works I'm proofreading. By all means, if there are changes other than those then go ahead and merge. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
I replaced the proofreading tools in your common.js with the identical scripts from Wikisource:TemplateScript#Proofreading. (The specialFormats are still defined in your common.js.) The only difference you should see is a new Special:TemplateScript page to configure your scripts. Let me know if anything breaks. :) —Pathoschild 04:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Formatting opinion[edit]

I am thinking about picking up this seemingly abandoned text and adjusting poetry formatting as I validate/proofread. Much (if not all) of the poetry, however, is not block-centered, and I am very tempted to make it so. Can I please get your opinion as to whether I should keep the poetry to the left, as here, and if so, what formatting should I use? [ Another sampling of formatting ] Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

The punctuation needs hanging in the Brooke example anyway, so you might as well block-center at the same time. I personally find poetry that's blocked on the left leaves too much whitespace on the page/screen. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Thanks for taking a look, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Is this where I go to answer? I have no idea how to do whatever that is. Computer is difficult enough!

Mr. or Ms. Beeswax:

According to this:

All those listed works have been in public domain since 2007. Is this sufficient, or do I have to "lawyer up"?

Your valued opinion is requested[edit]

Hi. Please look at this page where the intent is to add anchored links to the target pages. Your opinion, guidance, and comments would be much appreciated. Also, is there any project in WS where a similar complex index with anchors was implemented? — Ineuw talk 01:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Have a look at Page:Ante-Nicene Fathers volume 1.djvu/509 ff. Once the validation of the pages of the index had been done, I put in a Bot Request, which Mpaa responded to and did the magic stuff. It's essential that the pages are proofread and validated before doing any automatic link creation. If the page numbers are wrong, then the link will be to the wrong page/chapter and that's not easy to sort out (from experience once). The index in the later volumes of ANCL haven't been validated, so they are yet to have links created. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:57, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Or A History of Mathematics/Index. Painful, done entirely manually (with aid of scrap paper notes if I recall.) Not even an observation on Canadian LMF. AuFCL (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you first make a page like User:Hesperian/i, and take the trouble to get it right, then all you have to do is wrap each page number in {{subst:User:Hesperian/i| }}, and you can be sure of getting all well-formed correctly targetted links when you hit save. Hesperian 11:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
There are heaps of such works where we have added page linked indices, even had them as featured texts. Maybe not as many pages. You can have a look at user talk:Phe to see those that I have had done and BWC's point of proofread and validated is emphasised by Phe. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:49, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Really appreciate all this input and examples. Checked them all, but decided to give User:Gumr51 the option to choose what style he wants to follow and will lend him a hand to accomplish it. — Ineuw talk 19:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I'll second Hesperian's technique. I believe I used it for the TWP on recommendation, and it made things so much simpler! Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you use Hesperian's methodology, then you can utilise the regex editor (available as a gadget) to wrap the page numbers, and I am happy to assist people to show them how. With the new regex editor you can even save your regex and reuse them as a framework. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer of help, I will contact you as soon as I learn which style Gumr51 prefers to tackle. As for the Regex search & replace, it exists in the common.js pointing to Pathoschild's script from my common.js. mw.loader.load('//');. Am I to assume that the old Regex editor in the gadgets have been upgraded to this new version? — Ineuw talk 02:00, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes m:TemplateScript. apologies to BWC for the muddy footprints on his talk pagebillinghurst sDrewth 03:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Help request - Categorizing, adding reference info, and citing from Wikipedia article proofread 2-pp. poem (& following speech)[edit]

Hi, Thanks for welcome message.

I've proofread a two-page poem, "Lee — A Poem" by H. F. Requier to document a Lost Cause memorial ceremony tribute to Robert E. Lee for Wikipedia article: Robert E. Lee Monument (New_Orleans, Louisiana)
See Southern_Historical_Society_Papers_volume_14.djvu/68 & Southern_Historical_Society_Papers_volume_14.djvu/69

I want to cite it from Wikipedia (which uses citation template to link to version - see External Links, 3rd one), but first want to add any needed Category tags (author, subject(s)) and full citation info to these two pages. If all goes well, I might finish by proofreading long oration following poem. Links, examples, advice appreciated.

Thanks! Note, this is significant, as this monument will likely be dismantled soon. I have no dogs in that fight, but hope those arguing over it will at least read the original words to better gauge the intent of the statue erectors. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 08:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I've "transcluded" the poem to Southern Historical Society Papers/Volume 14/Poem for you (and done some further formatting to those pages). We don't use subject/topic categories here. I'll check with the main editors of the SHSP and see if there's anything they want to add or adjust. However, you can link directly to this page now. The best way to do so in a cite/footnote is to use the {{wikisource-inline}} template over on enWP. If you do decide to proofread the oration (and we're grateful for any help with such things), please feel free to use the page I've created as a model for the transclusion once all the pages are proofed. I patrol RC regularly, so I can keep on eye on how you're going and give advice as needed. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Beeswaxcandle! Very late (or early ;) in New Orleans; I'll look it over in afternoon. Appreciate your help. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 11:09, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Beeswaxcandle, re: & SHSP (4 letters=short way to find any volume setup by AdamBMorgan) any way you want to handle anything on SHSP volumes is fine with me. I no longer have a "watchlist" nor alt+control+x and certainly no dogs in any fight! Welcome to Wikisource Paulscrawl! Kindest Regards to Everyone, —Maury (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
The material in question immediately above can also simply be downloaded, printed out, exactly as it was written, printed, and published by linking to the individual volumes on Internet Archives. That's where it was obtained and placed on Wikisource. It is more modern arguments an Destruction of American Southern Symbols of American Civil War Monuments, &c. - but keep all in Northern states - but who did they battle with and why? Yes, let us all erase our nation's history. Place this nation's past history out of sight and let some think there was no Civil War in this nation. Let us rebuild a new nation and go International. Let us rebuild and learn through e-books and perhaps ignore museums we may dislike or promote them via Internet complete with photos and arts. I can't see any state's monuments from here until it shows on Internet. It is good not to burn books isn't it? People on Wikisource save books. People with as much as a small iPad or iPhone &c, wi-fi, can read, or auto-read, all e-books throughout the world. —Maury (talk) 02:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


Hello, Beez. I will let you know here on your page today, or tonight, or at least asap, if I have alt-control-x back. I am focused more on editing images. I have 4 for jolly old Angland to upload and insert now on Thomas Becket's murder. I thank Pathoschild and you for helping me. While I don't really know Pathoschild very well I do know you fairly well and you have been kind to me for several years and are always polite. You must be very religious to be so nice. I remember your birthday invitations and what you have been through and your real name but your alias is so much more familiar to me that if you did come to my home you would have to get used to me by calling you Beez at this point smiley Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I think the alt+control+x is working now but I am not positive until someone looks at one of my pages.—Maury (talk) 04:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Copyright held[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle,

Thank you for the welcome, the text that was created (Zvi Preigerzon) is really a test at this point as we have never used wikipedia before. In regards the the cyrilic texts - absolutely, it will be moved to a different section now that the mechanics of editing / creating wiki pages is more clear.

Regarding the ISBN - absolutely the work is copy write protected and we hold the rights to it. There was another message from a different user / admin about this issue as well and we have obtained a letter from the publisher confirming our ownership of rights. How do we get this letter to you? Upload via wiki commons?

Thank you again,

Lipovetsky - Preigerzon

@Lipovetsky.preigerson: You will need to use the OTRS process over at Commons. The link for it is commons:Commons:OTRS. You can email them in Russian or in English as you choose. It's a multi-lingual team at the other end. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


Hmm, it is a biographical dictionary , well half of it is. Do you think that we should 'projecturise' it for its own benefit? Maybe we can look to have project SCORE or MUSIC, and leverage projBD's notes on section markers, etc. I am thinking that the instructions that I need to build are better off done as lego bricks. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

A cautious OK. Having set up a standard way of doing the section markers (and used it for all of Vol. 1, most of Vol. 2 and about half the Appendix in Vol. 4), I wouldn't be keen to see it change to something else. There is a project at Wikisource:WikiProject DMM. The categories for the biographies are Category:DMM biographies and Category:DMM composer biographies. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Scan pick advice[edit]

The first edition copy of The lady or the tiger? and other stories by Frank Richard Stockton is, I believe, from 1884 (Charles Scribner's Sons). does not have that edition available. Would this Author's Edition (Edinburgh University Press) from 1884 be acceptable, or should I upload one of the later Charles Scribner's Sons editions that are available? I realize older is not necessarily better... Thanks for any guidance, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of scans for Stockton, and would have picked the 2nd one (EUP) if it contained the Minor Canon story (a good read by the way, Beeswaxcandle, a well crafted tale). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 06:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I hadn't come across Stockton's work before. I've just read the title story in the EUP edition. Quite a nice twist. I'm going to pass it on to my partner for use in the Ethics class. Now, with respect to editions, I think the oldest complete Scribner's edition you can find would be best. I'm keen that we host authors under publishers from their own country, where possible. The EUP edition is the first UK edition, and if there are significant differences, then we could host that secondarily. That said, the EUP looks to be a fairly clean scan. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Good call. There are differences: some stories omitted, some added. I have chosen a Scribner's 1897 edition. Thanks, both, for the input. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

FT image[edit]

I notice that you have not chosen any image (exc. a map of India) for October's FT. The frontispiece of the work (general view of Calcutta, 1794) would be a logical choice, I think. Hrishikes (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

That image is too big and the colour palatte is rather dull. I just grabbed the map in a hurry so as to have something there. If there is a good quality image of a reasonable dimension, then by all means swap it in. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Check something[edit]

Hey, would you mind checking this page (maybe validating too, it is the last one). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 08:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the POTM award[edit]

I know it's just a little thing, but I really like the POTM awards. They make me smile, and they remind to go look up the new collaboration. Thanks for keeping it going. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving header into score[edit]

What is the rationale for moving hymn headers into the score in The Army and Navy Hymnal? I think that removing the hypertext and rendering it as an image instead is a poor decision. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

The hymn/header template is ugly and renders poorly over the music; the hypertext fields are not needed as they are part of the header in the mainspace; and, if someone lifts the music image from the mainspace, they will still have the details of tune/hymn name/composer/poet. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Hm, I disagree. I think the hypertext renders fine, and looks far better. But it doesn't really matter to me. However, if you want to make this change, I hope you are prepared to make this change on all 300+ pages of this work that have hymn headers. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
When and as I get to the scores I'll deal with the headers at the same time. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Hymn header as a template dates from a time before the score extension, if your working to makiing redundant, Good luck!,
same goes for {{hymn/verses}} which is I think only used here, and the verses should really be in the score anyway.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The verses should also be outside of the score as well (if you recall we decided to use {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} for this), as they should be both searchable and copy-pasteable. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Another reason NOT to put the headers into the score: a consistent layout results in this.Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

have a good trip and conference[edit]

... and it was a disappointment that our timetables could not align. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Index:Chinese without a teacher giles.djvu[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle, the book in the subj seems to be not needed any more because of contributions to another scan of a later edition at Chinese Without a Teacher (1922) but I am not exactly sure what to do. I refer to you because 2 years ago you edited the former edition, and I believe you know procedures that apply, better than I do. I hope you can help, otherwise the duplicate scan is confusing. TIA, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 07:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Are the differences between the two editions significant? There's normally no problem having Index files for different editions—as long as they point to different mainspace pages. There should also be an {{versions}} page that links to the various editions that we host. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Our sidenotes are crap — A Voyage of Discovery and Research in the Southern and Antarctic Regions/Volume 1/Chapter 6[edit]

We seriously need to have some expertise with css to look at the crap that our sidenotes output. The whole set of them are crap with their output. :-/ — billinghurst sDrewth 07:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I think they're worse in the other layouts—which have other uglinesses as well. Unfortunately, my css is too rudimentary to even begin thinking about doing something. You'll find the same problems in the History of England (Froude), which is my other major use of sidenotes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
This sounds like something I might conceivably be both able to and interested in looking into at some point (no promises, my time constraints and priorities are… unpredictable). However, just quickly scanning the two works you've referenced here didn't reveal anything that looked much like what I'd term a "sidenote", so I'm a bit at a loss as to what the problem is. Could someone point me at the relevant templates and examples of their use; preferably with some notes about what's problematic and a sketch of what the desired output would be? --Xover (talk) 09:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Rev. Farmer[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle,

Just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your help with Rev. Farmer. Much appreciated! --Xover (talk) 09:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


Dear Beeswaxcandle I am contacting you since I found you interested in music and committed in the Grove Dictionary. I have found an interesting pair of essays on Senesino and Farinellim, the two most famous castratos in London during the time of Handel, in The Westminster Magazine: or, The Pantheon of Taste, vol. 5 (1777), pp. 396-397 and would like to submit both to the English wikisource in the form of texts (of course a scan of the pages can accompany the essays). So far however I have only contributed to the German version and only reference sites listing links to pdfs of old musicological and general newspapers. So I do not know how I can possibly create a new site here containing an article from the Westminster Magazine, the more so since no single article from there seems to be contained in Wikisource yet. I have uploaded the first of the two texts on a separate page in my wikisource profile. The "references" are original footnotes from the text.

Three questions on this:
1) Can you explain to me how to submit this to the English wikisource
or, even better
2) Would you take care of this for me? The errors in the "text only version" supplied by Google Books have been corrected with the exception of two minor things: a) what the omonious "lö" in "Jupiter & lö" stands for and what amount is meant by 50 (unknown symbol) L. (50,000 pounds?). The text version has been proofread by me against the scan.
3) Is it ok or general usage in the English wikisource to include links to wikipedia to make clear what person or building etc. is meant in the text?--Haendelfan (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

In relation to page numbering style[edit]

Can you PLEASE agree with the other contributor User_talk:ShakespeareFan00#Not_sure_why here on ONE standard style for page-numbering?

Otherwise I am going to get a little frustrated when I am told different things by different contributors. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I will standardise, WHEN there is ONE standard to follow. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Titling advice[edit]

Ledwidge's Songs of Peace is unindexed. I have uploaded Index:The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge, 1919.djvu, which includes Songs of Peace. How would you tackle MS titling of sections in the latter (which includes sub-sections)? The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace/At Home/Poem, etc.? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

There don't appear to be duplicate titles between the sections of Songs of Peace, but there are two "In Barracks" sections. I think the best solution is to leave out the sections from the title. So, The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace/A Dream of Artemis would be my suggestion. I would create a sub-TOC at The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace, which would show the sections. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the double "Barracks" sections. Do you mean to add an {{AuxTOC}} at the Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace page? I don't quite understand... Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I was more meaning transcluding that section of the TOC to the sub-page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah. That could probably be done. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Paglists- A Simple question.[edit]

You ask me to have another look at non-standard pagelists, I do this, only to be told by another contributor that I was doing something wrong in updating them per the notes you left on my talk page.

I am now more than a little disappointed,

I will ask a series of simple questions.

1. Which pagelists (specifically those that I directly added) are non-standard? 2. What is the correct numbering style (that can't be contested)?

I'd also appreciate it if you could consult with the other contributor to update the Manual of Style you refer to so that mus-understandings like this can be avoided in the future. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I've made my responses to the "other" at Help talk:Index pages and await their response there. You will see that we had consensus in November 2012 and I am hopeful that we will regain consensus for the material as it stands, possibly with a couple of clarifying remarks. As I write this there is no absolutely incontestable numbering style. With respect to specific pagelists, the History of Barrington stood out to me because of the large number of full-page images. I can't point to others right now because I haven't made notes. However, I was aware that it was part of a trend and I knew that you would be amenable to suggestions for adjustments. I didn't expect it to blow up to a "big thing". Sorry about that. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
No problem, in reviewing some of the pagelists, I've found a few that I no longer had confidence in anyway, as you seem to be more exprienced in would be appreciated if you could have a look over my recent edits/reverts in index space, as there are a few I reverted my attempts on as the list of illustrations in the work, and what was in djvu became to complex to reconcile.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:Prehistoric America Vol 1.djvu[edit]

I'd like a second opinon. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done . Because the text flows over the apparently missing pages I've decided that the page numbering carried on through those image pages, but not any of the others. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - It would be appreciated if you could also take a look at the remaining 80 or so Index pagelists to be checked.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 02.djvu[edit]

There seems to be an issue with the scan quality, but the current IA volume is a lot higher. Care to run a check to rule out a local viewer issue?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:29, 25 November 2015 (UTC)