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From Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding[edit]

From the list of works at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/Coding, I come up with names

  1. Mpaa
  2. Kathleen.wright5
  3. Samwilson
  4. Feydey
  5. GreyHead
  6. Clockery
  7. EncycloPetey
  8. Billinghurst
  9. Phe
  10. William Maury Morris II
  11. Reguyla
  12. Keith Edkins
  13. Zhaladshar
  14. Rochefoucauld
  15. Carriearchdale
  16. Londonjackbooks
  17. Slowking4
  18. WeeJeeVee
  19. Dick Bos‎
  20. Pelagic
  21. Akme
  22. Pixelwarrior
  23. Wurstmaster
  24. AlbertBickford
  25. Tar-ba-gan
  26. Xpctr8
  27. JoshuaKGarner
  28. 25akk
  29. Beleg Tâl‎
  30. Lo Ximiendo
  31. Sam.hill7
  32. Whittingtonpaul

There is an extended list at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works that I have yet to check. I'm happy to botify the user page badges if that makes things easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Additionals on my list:

  1. Beeswaxcandle
  2. Moondyne
  3. Peteforsyth
  4. Stagerj
  5. WhatamIdoing
  6. Zeete

Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Another: User:Gumr51 in Mexico city, Mx. who has also posted his name, Raul Gutierrez, several times. —Maury (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I didn't see that Gumr51 was working on the validation works, can you point me to where. The validation works doesn't show up more names, though I also find Hrishikes at Category:Indexes validated in November 2014, and that shows me 26 works completed, which will be the number with which I work. I will get the bot to update. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
OOPS ! No sir, Gumr51 didn't work on the validations for November that I am aware of and I cannot think of an excuse for my misstatement but I do apologize for it. U LL DIE IN AGONY BITCH!


September POTM award[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle, I would like to consult on the following: I feel that September award] is too much for the couple of pages I edited, with some of my edits later rejected by other editors for good. How do you find out about contributors participation and judge about their eligibility for awards? I would like to look into my contributions critically and try to organize my work better given your advice. Best regards and thanks for your many good works, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I was asked similarly, and I have explained that it is a participation award,. @Tar-ba-gan: it is your user page and it is up to you whether you wish to retain it. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Text rendering[edit]

Hello, Beeswaxcandle. Looking for your opinion as to how a poet might want his text rendered if he had use of a full screen. Please see "In a Night of Midsummer" on this page, and feel free to apply changes. Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I suspect he would have restricted the width. The lines are unbalanced as they are, with the header looking lost. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Any length recommendations keeping in mind eReaders, etc? 300px/400? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
My eReader copes with anything up to 500px, but this doesn't leave enough white-space around the centered block. Have a look at 375 and see how it goes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Delete an Author Page?[edit]

Good Evening!

Some time ago, I created an author page for Archdeacon Walls (I still don't know his first name) because I had a letter that he wrote to Jonathan Swift. Well, it turns out that Swift wrote the letter to Walls. I believe that I’ve replaced the first (wrongly identified) letter with the second (correctly identified) letter on Swift's author page, in the index, and in volume 11 of Swift's works. But that leaves the author page for Archdeacon Walls. I had also added his name to the Author Index:Wa. But without this letter, he wrote nothing that I know of. I've therefore removed the letter from his author page, but I didn't mark the author page for deletion, in case there is a reason to keep it. I know of no reason to keep it. Would you like for me to go ahead and mark it for deletion?

I’m still wondering if you had any comments about my earlier question about links in poetry? I have decided to do what I did in Gulliver's Travels -- I added links to things that are real (like England and Holland) and I didn't add links to things created for the story, (like Luggnagg and Gulliver). Do you agree with this?

Thank you for your help. Susan Susanarb (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted the author page as a quick search shows nothing to identify him and therefore nothing to link him with any works.

With respect to links, I tend to keep them light and only link to things or words that are essential to understanding—and wouldn't be understood by the average intelligent reader in the target audience for the particular work. In Gulliver's Travels I wouldn't link to England or Holland as these are common terms that you can expect readers to understand. I also wouldn't link to terms like Luggnagg as it's obviously an invented name in the book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for those comments. I started off doing that a long time ago. For example, I would only link to places that were lesser known, like Hanover. But then there's Ireland, which was clearly a reference to the old Kingdom of Ireland, and not either form of Ireland as it is now. Or how about Winchester, an important city in England, but not as well known outside the country. Then there are all of the terms that were popular in the early 1700s (like Whig, Tory, freethinking, etc.), and the people who are sometimes known by less recognized titles (like the treasurer for Robert Harley, or the Prince of Orange for King William III). After a while, there were so many links to words that were either lesser-known or outdated, the other words that may be better known looked out of place, so I started inserting links for anything for which more than a dictionary might be helpful to those who were not students of the era. I still like your thought to only link where essential to understanding, and that's how I’ll continue. Thanks! Susanarb (talk) 17:52, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

A notice of deletion from the Commons[edit]

I think that I uploaded this book for you last March, and now I got a notice of intended deletion. I am not sure at all if it was you, so forgive me if I made a mistake.— Ineuw talk 01:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

It wasn't me. Could have been @EncycloPetey: as this is more in his interest area. However, the deletion request on Commons has been withdrawn. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't check its status in the past 60 minutes. :-)— Ineuw talk 02:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
For the record, it wasn't me, but I am glad to see the book will not be deleted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:07, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Index:New York arcade railway as projected .. (McAlpine, William Jarvis, 1884).djvu[edit]

Definitely interesting. Minor issue is that pp. 11 and 10 appear to be transposed in the scans. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Went on safari today.[edit]

Long story short - I made the mistake of using my iPod for more than just music just now and either

  • a.) I don't know enough about my iPod to deserve owning one in the first place; or
  • b.) There is nothing to know (the browser & the OS' share the same build number or something).

Ascertaining the OS was no problem (8.1.2 - only because I hadn't used it for so long, an interim update was waiting for my OK all that time).

Any clue as to where I should be looking for Safari's build no. on a 5th gen iPood? -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know for sure as I don't have a web-capable iDevice. Apple usually put version numbers for their softward in "About ...". Try Settings> Safari and see if there is an "about" option to choose. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
That's just it, I go to [General] settings --> About and its all about the hardware and some key settings(ver., model., serial, WiFi MAC, Bluetooth MAC etc). Everything else in "settings" has do with preferences etc.

I wish I never did this. Safari aside, Wikisource is absolutely worthless in mobile mode if you manage to get past the Main Page. The layouts are anything but pleasant to the eye, nothing works except maybe opening the article's talk page and there is literally no easy way to navigate (not even to subpage) without using search.

So thanks anyway - I guess I'll just post my results against the OS and that's that. How much of a difference could there be? Its not like dealing with Microsoft products. -- George Orwell III (talk) 06:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template[edit]

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi. Would you mind helping me with this greek Page:Impressions- A Book of Verse.djvu/59? TIA--Mpaa (talk) 23:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done . I've left the spacing to you to do, as I don't want to be inconsistent with other pages in the book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Correct formatting[edit]


I'm unsure of how to correctly format something within the following page; I'm specifically unsure of how to format the; "Yours most sincerely..." section. I've tried to figure out how to format/code it properly within the help section, but couldn't find the information there. If you could point me in the right direction, that would be great.

Regards, Deathbringer404. Deathbringer404 (talk) 09:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

These right hanging multi-line signatures are a bit of a nuisance to layout consistently and still have them flow to different screen sizes. George devised the {{SigR}} template to cope with this (and I see he's already inserted it there). It's not something that's in the help pages, and it would be a good idea to put it there somewhere. Which help page would make the most sense to you when trying to find it? By the way, on that same page there is a wider gap before the last paragraph. To represent this break in thought it would be best to use a double line break. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
It would probably make most sense in either the indenting, or the paragraph section. Thanks for the assistance, and have adjusted for that wider gap.

Deathbringer404 (talk) 02:29, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Opinion sought[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if I could get your opinion as to whether I should devote Mainspace pages to book sections or to individual poems for this work. The work itself is not long, but the longest section is about 60 pages long. I have done so for even longer sections in other works, but every work is a different case. What are your thoughts? Thanks for your input, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

My personal preference would be separate pages for each poem, partly because there is a numbered sequence anyway, and partly because doing so allows the reader to focus on a single poem. I don't think Bridges was aiming at comparative study on language, style or form, rather he was just making them available to a wider readership. What are you thinking about doing with the current non-scan backed versions of Hopkins' poems? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I think most if not all of the non-scan backed versions may have been copied from or from some other online source, but I could be wrong. There is no attribution on Talk pages, and no information I could gather in the creating editor's history. I was thinking of either moving the existing pages to the scan-backed version or making them redirects if I chose the section route. I am open to suggestions. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Added note: Three of the non-scan backed poems listed on the Author page are not included in the work: "It was a hard thing to undo this knot" | "Thee, God, I come from, to thee go" | "To him who ever thought with love of me". The last two poems are numbered at as #s 73 & 74 respectively in the 1918 work (as stated), but they are not present in the scan here at WS, which ends at #72. Perhaps a later edition included extra poems? Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
More thinking out loud: The two poems mentioned are mentioned in the Notes of the scan (see), which makes me think we may be missing a page or two. Drat. I'll keep digging... Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I have emailed a couple booksellers who are selling first edition copies of the book hoping they might be able to supply information as to whether the two poems in question are indeed contained in the work, and on what page(s). The TOC states that the facsimile "of an Unfinished Poem" begins "at p. 92". Poem #72 ends on page 90. That would leave a page 91, and perhaps another page after the facsimile pages... We'll see! Can't find another version online. I believe only 750 copies were made, so the book is scarce. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I've looked at the book and pagelist in detail. There appears to be a facsimile image missing between 70 and 71 (or the second blank page shouldn't be there). This is because pages have to be in pairs.

I'm not sure that poem #72 does end on page 90. This is because of the asterism at the bottom of that page. Bridges seems to be using asterism to indicate a break in the text, and hasn't put it at the end of any other fragments. Also, the footnote at the bottom of p86 says that the facsimile is "after p. 92." So, yes, pp 91 and 92 are missing from this scan. I don't know what to suggest at this point. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I will sit on it and wait for either another version to surface online or to hear back from the booksellers. Whether they would be willing to send scans is probably unlikely... Their books are being sold at $6000 and $12000. Bummer. Thank you for your input. I will copy your response to my 'Housekeeping' page for future reference. Thanks :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to delete Module:Tl[edit]

Hello. I was the IP attempting to draw attention to the apparent oddity represented by the above module. Unfortunately in removing my (malformed?) {{speedy}} request you also removed visibility of my change comment indicating the potential issue.

I may well be flogging a dead pony here (and am not at all sure why I am bothering) but I shall try one last time to reconstruct my concerns and let you (or @AdamBMorgan:) decide whether or not to proceed:

  • Module:Tl is not LUA which means its code as it currently stands can never be utilised. It is pointless to move it into the Template: namespace as it is merely a cruder version of the already existing {{tl}}. (I never thought I would ever need to type such a thing.)
  • As far as I am able to determine Module:Tl is not referred to in any way.
  • Why did I not put the speedy directly into that module? Because it is not a namespace in which template usage is recognised and thus you would never see the flag. I tried to compromise by putting the request into talk space and you clearly did not recognise the implications.

I hope that by writing to you in simple words I might have tweaked your curiosity sufficiently to give this some actual, real consideration before binning the whole matter as too anal to deal with. (I am wasting all three of us' time, aren't I?) 10:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Just to let you know I've requested the deletion of this non-module. I concur with the bulk of the above and this discussion comprises the sole (remaining? I assume there were more once?) link to the whole mess. AuFCL (talk) 07:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

The Wiggles Live at Disneyland[edit]

I wish somebody wanted to create a page on Wikipedia about an Australian television special broadcast on Disney Channel Australia in 1998 and taking place in Disneyland. It's called "The Wiggles Live at Disneyland". What do you think, guys? Dcelano, 00:17, February 2, 2015, (UTC)

This is Wikisource, not Wikipedia. See WS:WWI for details of what we cover. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Boy Land Boomer.djvu[edit]

Beez, I enjoyed working with you on this book! Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you [Beez should say] ....and "You're welcome" [says I] because it would have taken a long time waiting for someone to validate all of those pages. As it is the book was competed in one night. —Maury (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you [Beez should say] ....and "You're welcome" [says I] because it would have taken a long time waiting for someone to validate all of those pages. Validators aren't so plentiful. As it is the book was competed in one night. It was and remains a matter of good manners on my part. —Maury (talk) 07:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Story of the House of Cassell (book).djvu[edit]

BWC, Thank you for doing the Illustrations List. —Maury (talk) 13:03, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I cannot Validate this page[edit] —Maury (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Public domain speeches by Leonard Nimoy[edit]

Please see Author talk:Leonard Simon Nimoy.

I believe this speech in video file at bottom of page, -- is public domain. -- Cirt (talk) 03:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

It's just a fancruft blog. Is there a specific release for that speech? Remember that copyright subsists automatically unless one of the exceptions is met. Do note, however, that the copyright author template allows for the occasional work to be PD. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Not sure yet. Still in process of research. Only created author page mere moments ago. Please bear with me. Have patience. Thank you for your tolerance, -- Cirt (talk) 03:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Question: How else to document and collate all works "about" an author, if the someone else wishes to disappear the Wikisource author page itself from existence? Can I create a category about the author? What is wrong with having the page with an "about" section to help catalogue free-use-licensed works "about" the author? -- Cirt (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
The Author namespace is not intended to be a topic namespace. See the notes at the beginning of Help:Author pages for general instructions. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:16, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not asking you what it's not for. I'm asking you for help. How to catalogue such pages together, if not by using an author page? -- Cirt (talk) 04:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Read the notes on the Help page: If highly notable, then use a Portal. I personally don't think this applies to Nimoy. However, others may disagree with me. I would link to the various documents from his WP article and not worry about linking them together here. This is after all the point of WS. If there are biographical documents, then a category under some section of Category:Biographies would be appropriate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:36, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'll consider it, but respectfully disagree at this time. Please note: still in the process of additional research -- there's gotta be more free-use works by and related to this author. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 17:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
With all due respect, BWC's PoV is pretty much the practice if not the policy itself around here in my opinion too. At best, the About section is the only part that should be / could be kept thanks to the existence of the tributes being linked from there. All the other stuff has no chance of ever becoming PD in our time so it's just "padding" & doing Amazon's work for them (thats what Wikipedia is for; not Wikisource plus you kinda lost that argument the second you linked back to Wikipedia articles from within the list(s)). -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I thought it was standard practice to list works on a page by an author, both those that are and those that aren't yet public domain? -- Cirt (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

How do I get administrative rights?[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle! How I can get administrative rights? It would be quite helpful for me since I am having trouble deleting pages that I've accidentally created.Aphillipsmusique (talk) 05:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

The relevant page that explains what adminship means here is WS:Adminship. I've just made my standard quick review of your contributions, and if you were nominated at this stage, I would have to say "not yet." For me, I need to see that you have a diverse range of edits that demonstrate knowledge of our policies and guidelines. I don't see that yet. If you accidently create a page that you no longer require, please mark it with {{sdelete|reason}}, where "reason" is one of those listed at WS:CSD. Several admins have the speedy deletes on our watchlists and requests are usually dealt with within a few hours. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting that PDF so quickly. Cheers. Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 19:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Undelete and userfy?[edit]

Since you replaced the JPG with a DJVU, you deleted this: Page:Oregon, My Oregon.jpg

I was very interested to pore through the edit history of that page, to learn more about LilyPad. (I also thought saving a JPG of the lyrics-only portion that you did first might be worthwhile.) Could yo undelete it, and maybe move it to my user space? -Pete (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done —Now at User:Peteforsyth/Oregon, My Oregon.jpg Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


Beez, do you have other books that are almost finished and need to be validated? If so, please list them here. —Maury (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Nearly all of mine either have lots of pages waiting to be validated or someone has already kindly done them. However, there is Index:Authority and Knowledge.djvu that would like a little attention. Thanks.Yes check.svg Done —Maury (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

By the way, do you want to tackle the index of the Cassell's book over the next week or so? Then we can mark that as complete, too. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I have never been good at the use of codes such as


because I have never studied them or looked them over closely. However, there are other ways to do the Index and I will try to do the Index pages. —Maury (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Unsure as to what to do.[edit]

Mattj2000 uploaded a copy of PSM volume 32 of an unknown printing, where THIS PAGE and AND THIS should have been inserted prior to THIS PAGE which would have been its proper places in the PSM scheme of things. The copy of IA which I use as a reference, [1] and the next page Image show the proper page placement.

Downloaded the djvu file to my desktop but cannot decide if it's worth to replace the old copy, because I don't know how to shift the .djvu pages on the commons. Your input would be most valuable. — Ineuw talk 19:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

We don't need to shift pages on Commons do we? We just need to shift them here with one of Mpaa's bot runs. Or is it images that will have the wrong name between 155 and 272? An alternative is to just transclude the image into the right place in the mainspace and not worry too much about the Index sequence. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. My preference is to fix the original. D271 and D272 should be D153 and D154 and left a message for Mpaa.— Ineuw talk 19:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


My account was compromised during my absence - enable an indef block to prevent further damage to wiki projects. Thanks for collaborating. --BScMScMD (talk) 18:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Move request[edit]

Need moves as under:

  1. The Home and the World/Chapter 3 to The Home and the World/Chapter 3/Bimala's Story (after deleting existing page at destination)
  2. After move, replacement of content by content at The Home and the World/Chapter 3/Bimala's Story Temp
  3. Followed by deletion of the temp page

This is required to keep the edit history of the original chapter 3 page, which was contributed to by other editors in the past.

With thanks, Hrishikes (talk) 06:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to disturb, but need another move. Pages at Index:On the Change of Conductivity of Metallic Particles under Cyclic Electromotive Variation.djvu need to be moved to Index:Collected Physical Papers.djvu. I had started, then remembered your advice. Hrishikes (talk) 05:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

License Information[edit]

Beeswaxcandle, you put some add-license tag on top of a translation I did. What am I supposed to put on the page if the original work is in the public domain and if I'd like my translation to be in the public domain? That's the case with the poem.Paperpencils

All works hosted here must have license details. Works without license details can be deleted. Translations need two licenses, one for the original work and one for the translation. Please see Help:Copyright tags#Translations & Help:Beginner's guide to copyright#Special notes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

POTM April[edit]

In case you need it: .— Mpaa (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
While I am at it, POTM May:— Mpaa (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Using a bot to mass-populate Vols. 35-36 in the Southern Historical Society series[edit]

Hi and a belated "thank you" for your welcome-post when I joined wikisource last fall. I've been working with user Maury on the Southern Historical Society series and had a technical question. Is it possible to use (or resurrect) a bot that would populate the pages of a volume in the series with text from an updated djvu file that I upload to commons? I've been working on a script to unhyphenate the text, including cross-page hyphenations, in a wiki-compatible way. I thought I'd keep my question simple, but if you're curious, you can see the details on my talk page. Dictioneer (talk) 14:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC) ps: I’ve also posted a similar query with user AdamBMorgan, but I understand that at the moment he has little time to devote to the project.

OK, what needs to happen is that the "pink" pages on Volume 35 need to be deleted to allow the new text layer to show up. To show what I mean, I've just manually deleted Page:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 35.djvu/33. Now, your revised text layer shows up. However, when I look at it there are paragraphing problems. We need to have two "carriage return" characters to mark paragraphs. Otherwise they will transclude as a single flow of text. I think this needs fixing before we go to the step of deleting the current versions.

For the step of getting a bot to do the needed tasks, you need to place a request on the Bot requests page and one of the bot owners who has the delete page permission will do a run. The criteria I suggest are a) page status = NotProofread; and b) only one editor (LA2-bot). This will prevent deletion of non-bot contributions. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:24, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I’ve attempted to implement your suggestions and re-uploaded Vol. 35. I’ve test-loaded but haven’t saved p. 33, so if you go back to Page:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 35.djvu/33, you’ll see the revised text emitted, hopefully per your spec. Further suggestions are welcome, either here or on my talk page. Thanks for the information, and I promise I’m not trying to drag you into this project, but since you had specific technical suggestions it would be helpful to me to know if I have correctly interpreted them. Once I get a green light from you I will upload again and put the suggested message on the suggested page. I have also responsed to you on my talk page, but don’t feel like you need to continue that conversation unless it interests you. Dictioneer (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Answered on your talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Umm: April POTM?[edit]

Hi. You might want to delete this revision after reading to save embarrassment.

Was "Proofred of the Month" a deliberate play on words perhaps (instead of Proofread&c.?) I believe all of Aphillipsmusique, BD2412, Beleg Tâl/Userboxes, Billinghurst/awards, Bradype, Carriearchdale, DutchTreat, Einstein95, EncycloPetey, Erasmo Barresi, FALVES, George Orwell III, GreyHead, Hazmat2, Highlandpark1, Hrishikes, Jimregan, Kathleen.wright5, Keith Edkins, Legofan94, M-le-mot-dit, MartinPoulter, Michael Barera, Nonexyst, Pathore, Prtksxna, Rochefoucauld, Samwilson, Siddhant, Slowking4, Tar-ba-gan, WhatamIdoing, William Maury Morris II, Wurstmaster, Xaviersc and Zhaladshar are affected. AuFCL (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed (all hopefully).— Mpaa (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

" You have Mail ! "[edit]

I sent a private mail to you. Please check on it. —Maury (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Nothing's turned up in either the inbox or the junk folder. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:58, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm, well that's okay. The Riders of the Pony Express told me they met a huge body of water (flash flood?) on the way there anyhow so they turned back. —Maury (talk) 02:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, but as we know—the Pony Express always gets through. And indeed they now have. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
True, he waited for the tide to go out and crossed over the big pond on a flat-bottom raft while still sitting on his horse. I was informed of this last night via an undersea telegraph. —Maury (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Beeswaxcandle, young fellow, (pretty) please validate these few pages, easy, only about 34 pages and short. Validation will make it a completed work. —Maury (talk) 17:07, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Maury

    • Thank you so much for validating those pages. As a return favour I validated a good number of your pages in about 3 or 4 books including Doctor Thorne. Kindest regards good man, —Maury (talk) 08:54, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Travels in the Levant[edit]

I hadn't attempted to link them, I put the main text ones as {{sup}} and formated the block at the end as a semi-list IIRC.

You should therefore be free to implement an approproate scheme. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the explanation --Historiador1923 (talk) 02:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

About Jeeves[edit]

Hi, why did you remove the links before the discussion was over? Why such a tearing hurry? I have uploaded the file here. See page 7 of Index:Right Ho, Jeeves.djvu and also the page before taking decision. If you are still dissatisfied, you are welcome to delete the file. Hrishikes (talk) 04:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I removed the links because they are spurious. I'm not in a tearing hurry, simply performing my duties as a Wikisource administrator. One of those duties is to uphold the copyright policy. I have already looked at those items and have done my own research, including consultation of the reference books in my personal library. There is simply no way that the apparent dates in those scans are correct. Somewhere there has been manipulation. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Deleting is your prerogative as admin; I have nothing to say in that matter. I had added the work in good faith and I don't have the knowledge or research capability of your caliber. However now I see that the 1922 reference is also available at many places on the net, e.g., 1 (The New York Public Library Literature Companion, under My Man Jeeves), 2, 3. So, seems to me that there is a controversy here. Anyway, no need to reply; this also ends the discussion. Hrishikes (talk) 05:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Looking for a Wikisource list[edit]

Hi. I've uploaded & installed some new .djvu works, and I am sure we have a list of new works somewhere where I can/should list it, but can't find it. Could you point the way please?— Ineuw talk 05:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

There's nowhere to list incomplete Index: pages, other than the automatic Category. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, the Category is fine. — Ineuw talk 17:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Rival Pitchers.djvu[edit]

Beez, I hope that I did not annoy you when you were working on this book. I am aware I surfaced immediately behind you but that wasn't intended. Anyhow when I saw you I went in the opposite direction validating your pages. My very kindest regards to a very good person, —Maury (talk) 08:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I've been flicking between several books at the same time. I seem to get more done that way. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I think several of us do that. It is what I was doing when I saw a page of your book. I believe Ineuw does the same thing, or at least he used to. Perhaps the best way is to work on a complex book and then an easy and casual work. —Maury (talk) 08:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Match and Split doesn't really work for EB[edit]

hi, i see your update to the EB1911 index status. but really for volume 26, 27 ? i was thinking "Source file problem" was more appropriate, until the index size issues are resolved. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 14:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I've no problem with that status for those two volumes, I was more focused on clearing out the apparent backlog on Match and Split. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


Thank you. :) Green Giant (talk) 11:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Mentoring needed[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your welcome last spring. I migrated over from Distributed Proofreaders and have been proofreading-started with Popular Science and have added some philosophical works to the stable. Just finished Treatise of Human Nature, yeah. I have been embarrassed to be told that I am a terrific proofreader. Not so, just well-trained. What I think I am better at than most is picking up how wiki works but I still have a lot to learn and feel obliged to try to do something about the (written) Help (which hasn’t helped me much) because I think there would be a lot of trained proofreaders at DP who would get a lot out of proofreading at Wikisource if the transition could be made easy. And their bottleneck is "post-production" and wiki-ing could help get their proofreaders into that …

Anyway, I’m contacting you specifically because my Mum lives in Auckland (North Shore) and we’re staying the first week of the school holidays (27 Sept-) and I’ve decided to try and meet some Wikipedeans while there and found out you were in the area (still with me?). So are you sociable? I’m not much in to chit chat, would like to talk about Wikisource and what it’s about and/or some help to overcome my fear of templates/programming/stuff. Or are there meetings that happen? Any contact (with anyone) would be great, Zoeannl (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC) (from Hawkes Bay)

I had wondered if you were local. I'd be happy to converse and/or meet up when you come up. My email link (in the tools) is active, why don't you send me a message via that and then we can sort something out in RL? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I tried emailing, pushed the button to get an email to myself but haven’t received it. Did you get it? Zoeannl (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I've not received anything. Did you use the "Email this user" in the tools section of this page? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Tested out of curiosity. —Maury (talk) 06:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It was from this page and it said to Beeswaxcandle from zoeannl… I’ll have another go. Zoeannl (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I know it was this page. I saw it and I think it would be wonderful if you and Beeswaxcadle could get together. Here I am thousands of miles away and you two in New Zealand can't get together. Even I have communicated with ""Beez" and I am in the USA. He invited me to his birthday party there! You should really try to connect with him because "Beez" is a nice person, smart, and helpful. He always has been for *years* with me. Try to send me a test mail to me or better yet I will try to send you one that that you can try to respond to. My real name is as I sign it. Use ~ 4 times to sign your name on Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 05:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

July POTM awards[edit]

Beez, are you going to do the July POTM awards? Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 12:43, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but as the July awards are quite complex I need to have the brain-space to deal with them. I think I'll do them at the same time as August. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Treasury of War Poetry[edit]

Some time ago you had mentioned that you were prompted to validate the TWP because AdamBMorgan had possible plans for it in the future. Do you remember what those plans were? I would ask on his Talk page, but he has been away for a time. Just curious, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

We were talking about having a "Poem of the Day" on the Mainpage, and I was thinking to use some of the poems from TWP on the 100th anniversary of writing them. Unfortunately, the idea didn't leave the thinking-board. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Ohkay. I remember talk about having a Poem of the Day, but was not aware that the two were necessarily related. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Merge your page tools into Wikisource:TemplateScript?[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle. In September 2014 I created MediaWiki:TemplateScript/pagetools.js based on your page scripts in User:Beeswaxcandle/common.js. This is part of Wikisource:TemplateScript, which aims to avoid users copying scripts verbatim into their own common.js, where they're no longer maintained. It collects useful scripts into one place so anyone can use them with a few lines like this:

 * Add several tools useful when proofreading pages in the Page: namespace.
 * @see [[Wikisource:TemplateScript]]

Unfortunately the two versions then drifted apart — you continued developing your common.js, and pagetools.js was refactored to simplify the scripts using newer TemplateScript features. What do you think of merging your changes into MediaWiki:TemplateScript/pagetools.js and maintaining that instead? (I could take care of the merge.) —Pathoschild 02:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I've made any changes to the scripts, or have I? Most of my edits of common.js are to set up (or adjust) running headers for works I'm proofreading. By all means, if there are changes other than those then go ahead and merge. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
I replaced the proofreading tools in your common.js with the identical scripts from Wikisource:TemplateScript#Proofreading. (The specialFormats are still defined in your common.js.) The only difference you should see is a new Special:TemplateScript page to configure your scripts. Let me know if anything breaks. :) —Pathoschild 04:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Formatting opinion[edit]

I am thinking about picking up this seemingly abandoned text and adjusting poetry formatting as I validate/proofread. Much (if not all) of the poetry, however, is not block-centered, and I am very tempted to make it so. Can I please get your opinion as to whether I should keep the poetry to the left, as here, and if so, what formatting should I use? [ Another sampling of formatting ] Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

The punctuation needs hanging in the Brooke example anyway, so you might as well block-center at the same time. I personally find poetry that's blocked on the left leaves too much whitespace on the page/screen. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. Thanks for taking a look, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Is this where I go to answer? I have no idea how to do whatever that is. Computer is difficult enough!

Mr. or Ms. Beeswax:

According to this:

All those listed works have been in public domain since 2007. Is this sufficient, or do I have to "lawyer up"?

Your valued opinion is requested[edit]

Hi. Please look at this page where the intent is to add anchored links to the target pages. Your opinion, guidance, and comments would be much appreciated. Also, is there any project in WS where a similar complex index with anchors was implemented? — Ineuw talk 01:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Have a look at Page:Ante-Nicene Fathers volume 1.djvu/509 ff. Once the validation of the pages of the index had been done, I put in a Bot Request, which Mpaa responded to and did the magic stuff. It's essential that the pages are proofread and validated before doing any automatic link creation. If the page numbers are wrong, then the link will be to the wrong page/chapter and that's not easy to sort out (from experience once). The index in the later volumes of ANCL haven't been validated, so they are yet to have links created. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:57, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Or A History of Mathematics/Index. Painful, done entirely manually (with aid of scrap paper notes if I recall.) Not even an observation on Canadian LMF. AuFCL (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you first make a page like User:Hesperian/i, and take the trouble to get it right, then all you have to do is wrap each page number in {{subst:User:Hesperian/i| }}, and you can be sure of getting all well-formed correctly targetted links when you hit save. Hesperian 11:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
There are heaps of such works where we have added page linked indices, even had them as featured texts. Maybe not as many pages. You can have a look at user talk:Phe to see those that I have had done and BWC's point of proofread and validated is emphasised by Phe. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:49, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Really appreciate all this input and examples. Checked them all, but decided to give User:Gumr51 the option to choose what style he wants to follow and will lend him a hand to accomplish it. — Ineuw talk 19:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
I'll second Hesperian's technique. I believe I used it for the TWP on recommendation, and it made things so much simpler! Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
If you use Hesperian's methodology, then you can utilise the regex editor (available as a gadget) to wrap the page numbers, and I am happy to assist people to show them how. With the new regex editor you can even save your regex and reuse them as a framework. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer of help, I will contact you as soon as I learn which style Gumr51 prefers to tackle. As for the Regex search & replace, it exists in the common.js pointing to Pathoschild's script from my common.js. mw.loader.load('//');. Am I to assume that the old Regex editor in the gadgets have been upgraded to this new version? — Ineuw talk 02:00, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes m:TemplateScript. apologies to BWC for the muddy footprints on his talk pagebillinghurst sDrewth 03:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Help request - Categorizing, adding reference info, and citing from Wikipedia article proofread 2-pp. poem (& following speech)[edit]

Hi, Thanks for welcome message.

I've proofread a two-page poem, "Lee — A Poem" by H. F. Requier to document a Lost Cause memorial ceremony tribute to Robert E. Lee for Wikipedia article: Robert E. Lee Monument (New_Orleans, Louisiana)
See Southern_Historical_Society_Papers_volume_14.djvu/68 & Southern_Historical_Society_Papers_volume_14.djvu/69

I want to cite it from Wikipedia (which uses citation template to link to version - see External Links, 3rd one), but first want to add any needed Category tags (author, subject(s)) and full citation info to these two pages. If all goes well, I might finish by proofreading long oration following poem. Links, examples, advice appreciated.

Thanks! Note, this is significant, as this monument will likely be dismantled soon. I have no dogs in that fight, but hope those arguing over it will at least read the original words to better gauge the intent of the statue erectors. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 08:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I've "transcluded" the poem to Southern Historical Society Papers/Volume 14/Poem for you (and done some further formatting to those pages). We don't use subject/topic categories here. I'll check with the main editors of the SHSP and see if there's anything they want to add or adjust. However, you can link directly to this page now. The best way to do so in a cite/footnote is to use the {{wikisource-inline}} template over on enWP. If you do decide to proofread the oration (and we're grateful for any help with such things), please feel free to use the page I've created as a model for the transclusion once all the pages are proofed. I patrol RC regularly, so I can keep on eye on how you're going and give advice as needed. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Beeswaxcandle! Very late (or early ;) in New Orleans; I'll look it over in afternoon. Appreciate your help. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 11:09, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Beeswaxcandle, re: & SHSP (4 letters=short way to find any volume setup by AdamBMorgan) any way you want to handle anything on SHSP volumes is fine with me. I no longer have a "watchlist" nor alt+control+x and certainly no dogs in any fight! Welcome to Wikisource Paulscrawl! Kindest Regards to Everyone, —Maury (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
The material in question immediately above can also simply be downloaded, printed out, exactly as it was written, printed, and published by linking to the individual volumes on Internet Archives. That's where it was obtained and placed on Wikisource. It is more modern arguments an Destruction of American Southern Symbols of American Civil War Monuments, &c. - but keep all in Northern states - but who did they battle with and why? Yes, let us all erase our nation's history. Place this nation's past history out of sight and let some think there was no Civil War in this nation. Let us rebuild a new nation and go International. Let us rebuild and learn through e-books and perhaps ignore museums we may dislike or promote them via Internet complete with photos and arts. I can't see any state's monuments from here until it shows on Internet. It is good not to burn books isn't it? People on Wikisource save books. People with as much as a small iPad or iPhone &c, wi-fi, can read, or auto-read, all e-books throughout the world. —Maury (talk) 02:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


Hello, Beez. I will let you know here on your page today, or tonight, or at least asap, if I have alt-control-x back. I am focused more on editing images. I have 4 for jolly old Angland to upload and insert now on Thomas Becket's murder. I thank Pathoschild and you for helping me. While I don't really know Pathoschild very well I do know you fairly well and you have been kind to me for several years and are always polite. You must be very religious to be so nice. I remember your birthday invitations and what you have been through and your real name but your alias is so much more familiar to me that if you did come to my home you would have to get used to me by calling you Beez at this point smiley Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I think the alt+control+x is working now but I am not positive until someone looks at one of my pages.—Maury (talk) 04:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Copyright held[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle,

Thank you for the welcome, the text that was created (Zvi Preigerzon) is really a test at this point as we have never used wikipedia before. In regards the the cyrilic texts - absolutely, it will be moved to a different section now that the mechanics of editing / creating wiki pages is more clear.

Regarding the ISBN - absolutely the work is copy write protected and we hold the rights to it. There was another message from a different user / admin about this issue as well and we have obtained a letter from the publisher confirming our ownership of rights. How do we get this letter to you? Upload via wiki commons?

Thank you again,

Lipovetsky - Preigerzon

@Lipovetsky.preigerson: You will need to use the OTRS process over at Commons. The link for it is commons:Commons:OTRS. You can email them in Russian or in English as you choose. It's a multi-lingual team at the other end. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


Hmm, it is a biographical dictionary , well half of it is. Do you think that we should 'projecturise' it for its own benefit? Maybe we can look to have project SCORE or MUSIC, and leverage projBD's notes on section markers, etc. I am thinking that the instructions that I need to build are better off done as lego bricks. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

A cautious OK. Having set up a standard way of doing the section markers (and used it for all of Vol. 1, most of Vol. 2 and about half the Appendix in Vol. 4), I wouldn't be keen to see it change to something else. There is a project at Wikisource:WikiProject DMM. The categories for the biographies are Category:DMM biographies and Category:DMM composer biographies. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Scan pick advice[edit]

The first edition copy of The lady or the tiger? and other stories by Frank Richard Stockton is, I believe, from 1884 (Charles Scribner's Sons). does not have that edition available. Would this Author's Edition (Edinburgh University Press) from 1884 be acceptable, or should I upload one of the later Charles Scribner's Sons editions that are available? I realize older is not necessarily better... Thanks for any guidance, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of scans for Stockton, and would have picked the 2nd one (EUP) if it contained the Minor Canon story (a good read by the way, Beeswaxcandle, a well crafted tale). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 06:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I hadn't come across Stockton's work before. I've just read the title story in the EUP edition. Quite a nice twist. I'm going to pass it on to my partner for use in the Ethics class. Now, with respect to editions, I think the oldest complete Scribner's edition you can find would be best. I'm keen that we host authors under publishers from their own country, where possible. The EUP edition is the first UK edition, and if there are significant differences, then we could host that secondarily. That said, the EUP looks to be a fairly clean scan. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Good call. There are differences: some stories omitted, some added. I have chosen a Scribner's 1897 edition. Thanks, both, for the input. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

FT image[edit]

I notice that you have not chosen any image (exc. a map of India) for October's FT. The frontispiece of the work (general view of Calcutta, 1794) would be a logical choice, I think. Hrishikes (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

That image is too big and the colour palatte is rather dull. I just grabbed the map in a hurry so as to have something there. If there is a good quality image of a reasonable dimension, then by all means swap it in. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Check something[edit]

Hey, would you mind checking this page (maybe validating too, it is the last one). CYGNIS INSIGNIS 08:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the POTM award[edit]

I know it's just a little thing, but I really like the POTM awards. They make me smile, and they remind to go look up the new collaboration. Thanks for keeping it going. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Moving header into score[edit]

What is the rationale for moving hymn headers into the score in The Army and Navy Hymnal? I think that removing the hypertext and rendering it as an image instead is a poor decision. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

The hymn/header template is ugly and renders poorly over the music; the hypertext fields are not needed as they are part of the header in the mainspace; and, if someone lifts the music image from the mainspace, they will still have the details of tune/hymn name/composer/poet. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Hm, I disagree. I think the hypertext renders fine, and looks far better. But it doesn't really matter to me. However, if you want to make this change, I hope you are prepared to make this change on all 300+ pages of this work that have hymn headers. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
When and as I get to the scores I'll deal with the headers at the same time. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Hymn header as a template dates from a time before the score extension, if your working to makiing redundant, Good luck!,
same goes for {{hymn/verses}} which is I think only used here, and the verses should really be in the score anyway.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The verses should also be outside of the score as well (if you recall we decided to use {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}} for this), as they should be both searchable and copy-pasteable. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Another reason NOT to put the headers into the score: a consistent layout results in this.Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

have a good trip and conference[edit]

... and it was a disappointment that our timetables could not align. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Index:Chinese without a teacher giles.djvu[edit]

Hello Beeswaxcandle, the book in the subj seems to be not needed any more because of contributions to another scan of a later edition at Chinese Without a Teacher (1922) but I am not exactly sure what to do. I refer to you because 2 years ago you edited the former edition, and I believe you know procedures that apply, better than I do. I hope you can help, otherwise the duplicate scan is confusing. TIA, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 07:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Are the differences between the two editions significant? There's normally no problem having Index files for different editions—as long as they point to different mainspace pages. There should also be an {{versions}} page that links to the various editions that we host. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Our sidenotes are crap — A Voyage of Discovery and Research in the Southern and Antarctic Regions/Volume 1/Chapter 6[edit]

We seriously need to have some expertise with css to look at the crap that our sidenotes output. The whole set of them are crap with their output. :-/ — billinghurst sDrewth 07:22, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I think they're worse in the other layouts—which have other uglinesses as well. Unfortunately, my css is too rudimentary to even begin thinking about doing something. You'll find the same problems in the History of England (Froude), which is my other major use of sidenotes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
This sounds like something I might conceivably be both able to and interested in looking into at some point (no promises, my time constraints and priorities are… unpredictable). However, just quickly scanning the two works you've referenced here didn't reveal anything that looked much like what I'd term a "sidenote", so I'm a bit at a loss as to what the problem is. Could someone point me at the relevant templates and examples of their use; preferably with some notes about what's problematic and a sketch of what the desired output would be? --Xover (talk) 09:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Rev. Farmer[edit]

Hi Beeswaxcandle,

Just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your help with Rev. Farmer. Much appreciated! --Xover (talk) 09:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


Dear Beeswaxcandle I am contacting you since I found you interested in music and committed in the Grove Dictionary. I have found an interesting pair of essays on Senesino and Farinellim, the two most famous castratos in London during the time of Handel, in The Westminster Magazine: or, The Pantheon of Taste, vol. 5 (1777), pp. 396-397 and would like to submit both to the English wikisource in the form of texts (of course a scan of the pages can accompany the essays). So far however I have only contributed to the German version and only reference sites listing links to pdfs of old musicological and general newspapers. So I do not know how I can possibly create a new site here containing an article from the Westminster Magazine, the more so since no single article from there seems to be contained in Wikisource yet. I have uploaded the first of the two texts on a separate page in my wikisource profile. The "references" are original footnotes from the text.

Three questions on this:
1) Can you explain to me how to submit this to the English wikisource
or, even better
2) Would you take care of this for me? The errors in the "text only version" supplied by Google Books have been corrected with the exception of two minor things: a) what the omonious "lö" in "Jupiter & lö" stands for and what amount is meant by 50 (unknown symbol) L. (50,000 pounds?). The text version has been proofread by me against the scan.
3) Is it ok or general usage in the English wikisource to include links to wikipedia to make clear what person or building etc. is meant in the text?--Haendelfan (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

In relation to page numbering style[edit]

Can you PLEASE agree with the other contributor User_talk:ShakespeareFan00#Not_sure_why here on ONE standard style for page-numbering?

Otherwise I am going to get a little frustrated when I am told different things by different contributors. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:21, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I will standardise, WHEN there is ONE standard to follow. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Titling advice[edit]

Ledwidge's Songs of Peace is unindexed. I have uploaded Index:The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge, 1919.djvu, which includes Songs of Peace. How would you tackle MS titling of sections in the latter (which includes sub-sections)? The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace/At Home/Poem, etc.? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

There don't appear to be duplicate titles between the sections of Songs of Peace, but there are two "In Barracks" sections. I think the best solution is to leave out the sections from the title. So, The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace/A Dream of Artemis would be my suggestion. I would create a sub-TOC at The Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace, which would show the sections. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the double "Barracks" sections. Do you mean to add an {{AuxTOC}} at the Complete Poems of Francis Ledwidge/Songs of Peace page? I don't quite understand... Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I was more meaning transcluding that section of the TOC to the sub-page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah. That could probably be done. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Paglists- A Simple question.[edit]

You ask me to have another look at non-standard pagelists, I do this, only to be told by another contributor that I was doing something wrong in updating them per the notes you left on my talk page.

I am now more than a little disappointed,

I will ask a series of simple questions.

1. Which pagelists (specifically those that I directly added) are non-standard? 2. What is the correct numbering style (that can't be contested)?

I'd also appreciate it if you could consult with the other contributor to update the Manual of Style you refer to so that mus-understandings like this can be avoided in the future. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I've made my responses to the "other" at Help talk:Index pages and await their response there. You will see that we had consensus in November 2012 and I am hopeful that we will regain consensus for the material as it stands, possibly with a couple of clarifying remarks. As I write this there is no absolutely incontestable numbering style. With respect to specific pagelists, the History of Barrington stood out to me because of the large number of full-page images. I can't point to others right now because I haven't made notes. However, I was aware that it was part of a trend and I knew that you would be amenable to suggestions for adjustments. I didn't expect it to blow up to a "big thing". Sorry about that. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
No problem, in reviewing some of the pagelists, I've found a few that I no longer had confidence in anyway, as you seem to be more exprienced in would be appreciated if you could have a look over my recent edits/reverts in index space, as there are a few I reverted my attempts on as the list of illustrations in the work, and what was in djvu became to complex to reconcile.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:Prehistoric America Vol 1.djvu[edit]

I'd like a second opinon. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done . Because the text flows over the apparently missing pages I've decided that the page numbering carried on through those image pages, but not any of the others. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - It would be appreciated if you could also take a look at the remaining 80 or so Index pagelists to be checked.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 02.djvu[edit]

There seems to be an issue with the scan quality, but the current IA volume is a lot higher. Care to run a check to rule out a local viewer issue?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:29, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Can I trouble you for a quick mass subst?[edit]

This template should be subst as it is a shorthand for the longer form. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is something I don't know how to do. @Mpaa: is probably the best person to ask. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Dec Featured text[edit]

Will you be setting up the Featured selection for December? I nominated a work specifically for this month, and I think it's been cleared. However, since only two people commented (including myself), I don't feel it would be appropriate for me to set up the selection. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

== Easy sysop Brownie points ==

Heads up: opportunity going begging? AuFCL (talk) 06:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Forget it. I appear to have stirred up a hornet's (Yes guy: I am proud of you!) nest elsewhere. AuFCL (talk) 23:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Can you do "unspeakable" things to a spammmer?[edit]

Special:Contributions/Mahielsee thanks .. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Page:Handbook for Boys.djvu/20[edit]

The ToC Templates don't really work here, In any case TOC row etc look a bit like overkill when reading the template code to figure out how to make 'nice' versions for this work. (sigh) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, that's definitely too challenging for the templates. I've never tried to nest TOC templates, which would need to be done. I think the most straightforward way to handle this one is with a table and forget about the dot-leaders. Are the parts of Chapters I and II going to be transcluded as sub-pages to the Chapters? Or will they be long pages with anchored sections? It makes a difference when creating the links in the TOC. All those authors need sorting out as well (except for the Special Committee). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
I shall not be in the slightest upset if either of you choose not to go this way but here is a demonstration of possibilities with an (admittedly) work-in-progress system. AuFCL (talk) 09:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Blimey Charlie! That's quite impressive. Didn't know that this was in the wings. Next time I've got a non-straightforward TOC, I'll take a closer look. @ShakespeareFan00:, you still need to do author links and at least chapter links. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

POTM filler material[edit]

I found this - (which is only about 44 pages), and is scans for a work by Milton which currently isn't backed by scans (there's also a commentary). Up for adding this to the POTM queue given life in motion seems to be progressing rapidly? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:23, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

If you don't object, I think it would be best to go for another in the series of annual science lectures. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Keep going :) This one's only 44 and I can probably do it Solo, Going to sit out the POTM official work as I've done most of the previous 2 ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Another Spammer[edit] - Time to hit their ISP with a firm letter?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Page:Cox and box 2.djvu/20[edit]

I think I found a missing dymanic in the 8th bar in this page? Would you mind carefully checking?ShakespeareFan00 (talk)

There's nothing missing in bar 8. However, there was a piano missing on the vocal line at bar 5 and one in the score reduction at bar 6. When we get another lilypond-capable musician here, they'll be able to look after things like this in the Validation process-that's what it's for. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The wonders of the 'Page tools' sidebar[edit]

Hi. If I didn't thank you before, then I do so now. It's been great help realizing my dream of proofreading using Linux.

I have two questions regarding this tool. One is that the drop down list closes between pages, and wondered if there is a way to keep it open as long as it is selected. This is how both the 'Navigation' and the 'Tools' lists function. The second question is, whether the following 'Page tools' list, which I never use, be hidden? They are:

  • Add header
  • Add footer
  • Make reference
  • Convert to small-caps
  • Convert to uppercase

Thanks, — Ineuw talk 06:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Are you perhaps mixing up Beeswaxcandle with Pathoschild? I cannot help you with the first part of your query (as I don't understand the request) but for the other I suspect you want to go to this link; locate the section titled "Page tools"; and then untick all sections except "Clean up OCR". Back to your normally scheduled presenter... AuFCL (talk) 07:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what drop down list you're referring to, so I can't point you in the right direct either. I recommend you have a go at using the Make reference tool. It has proved invaluable to me when I've got multiple references on a page and the ref markers have scrolled off the top of the edit box—particularly in the Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I am not mixed up (this time). :-) It was BWC who got my .js code running properly. As for the first part of the request, I should ask GO3 because I am using his sidebar layout gadget which remains "open" when I go from page to page and proofread. By remaining "open", I mean that the small triangle (arrowhead) is pointing downwards, showing all the choices of the list. . . . as in the Navigation group, they are: Main Page, Community portal, Central discussion etc. While Pathoschild't "Page tool" collapses.
I did make the selection in Special:TemplateScript but nothing changed. I think that I have to log out and in. — Ineuw talk 08:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Pagelist entries (redux)[edit]

Wikisource:Scriptorium#Entries_in_pagelists - To avoid future mis-understandings about what is or isn't standard, I'd appreciate your feedback, given that you previously stated my approach wasn't in some areas. I regret having to ask for things to have to be specified in detail, but given the views of certain other contributors it seems necessary.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Assume good faith ?[edit]

The work concerned appears to be unsourced in any event. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

OK it's sourced, just not scan backed :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Yep, AGF. I'm doubtful that some of the changes are in the published translation that we're hosting, but without scan-backing I can't be sure. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Index talk:The Kiss and its History.djvu[edit]

I've made some suggested changes to the overall style, and would like feedback / discussion before proceeding. In particular, it is easier to use the style= parameter with {{block center}} than to invoke an additional template. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, on test edits, it looks as though {{gap|1em}} reproduces the printed indentation better than 1.5em. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey:No problems with these changes—I never remember to use the style parameter, so it didn't cross my mind. For the gap indentation, I usually use 2em by preference as I find 1em too small when reading poetry on the screen. I thought 1.5em would be a compromise, however I'm not worried if you wish to pull it down to 1em. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:12, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Burnt Candlemas[edit]

King of England destroys much of Scotland - called Burnt Candlemas - Beez, please fix the link on this page properly.'s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_1.djvu/406

—Maury (talk) 08:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Shout at me for interfering but…[edit]

this change turned an iffy-format, content basically correct and validated page into mush which nobody seems to have noticed in the 3½ years since (superficial tweakage notwithstanding)? (Not saying my changes are necessarily fully defensible but Crumbs! I would not let this one stand once noted.) AuFCL (talk) 02:17, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I think that {{ts}} has been expanded since I did that table—which was a rescue job anyway as the tables throughout that work were in an inconsistent parlous state. I think I also assumed that the spellings, etc. were OK having been through a couple of editors on the way. Anyway, I have no objection to anyone making my table coding more efficient and more accurate (as long as they don't use those TOC or weird legislation templates to override what I've done). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:45, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
O.K. I'll buy that. I didn't think of template rot—plausible though a (different) kind of worry. (And between you and me the number of wfws I added gives me the willies: mobile mode has a lot to answer for—and I suspect the valignb class will soon break which is sort of exponential sadness.) AuFCL (talk) 02:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not even sure of what "wfw" does. It's not in the documentation for ts. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:21, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
So glad you asked that question! Complete brain snap; I meant wnw as in white-space:nowrap;. Need sleep? Anyway at least stop making a fool of myself? AuFCL (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)


See Wikisource talk:WikiProject DMM -- PBS (talk) 17:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Greek double-check[edit]

Hello. Wondering if you wouldn't mind (at your leisure) doing a double-check of the Greek on this page. It is validated otherwise. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 16:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Another request for you if/when you are available. The work will then be done. Thank you :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Mostly right except for a few breathing marks and the Greek apostrophes (which is a UNICODE character of its own, separate from the single quote). --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Beeswax: I'm using the character from Perseus from the Greek "apostrophe" (copied and pasted, and verified to be consistent there), but don't know how to find out which specific character it is, or whether Perseus is doing something weird. Nothing in the Greek extended Unicode table makes any of this clearer to me, but it appears to be the coronis / smooth breathing mark. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:11, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: This is not in my knowledge area so this might not be at all relevant. Whilst recently hunting for something quite different I stumbled across Unicode point ᾽ (a.k.a. ᾽: ᾽) described by my source as Greek Koronis. Is this the code you were looking for, or just a sad coincidence? AuFCL (talk) 06:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I put the character into Babelstone and it came back with the same name and number as AuFCL suggests. It's not available in the LexiLogos Ancient Greek Keyboard, which is the one I usually use, presumably because it's a more modern invention. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
It's not part of the character set available for editing on Wiktionary either. It's one of a small number of characters I have to keep in a special cut-and-paste file, along with the two versions of rho with breathing marks. But it is the character that is used in the texts at Perseus. --EncycloPetey (talk) 10:32, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


This is the Hailstorm that broke the back so to speak.

The file at Commons is Undated, and I am not sure if it's written in an official capacity or a personal one.

So it was blanked, but I'd like a third opinion, and have objections to it's reinstatement if you think it is in fact acceptable.

Perhaps it's time I took a break? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:29, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and requesting formatting help with underline, TOC, temporary margin indents, and others.[edit]

Thanks for the welcome message!

I am working on: "Scientific Methods" See: and can use some help in formatting it.

How can I learn the parameters to the "{{Dotted TOC page listing ..." template? I began using it for the TOC on: but need to learn more of its options.

For the {{Dotted TOC page listing}}, the options are all detailed on the template's documentation page. Just click on the blue link I've just made and you'll be taken there. That said, this TOC is too complex for this template and I would set it directly as a table. When setting a TOC you need to be making decisions about how the work will be structured when it's taken through to the mainspace. This particular work will need to be sub-paged, so how will it be split up?

The original text includes both underline and italics. How an I indicate underline as a text format?

Underlining is ugly, it interrupts descenders on the letters, and reduces readability. In some browsers it also looks like a link. It was only done during the typewriter era because there was no other way of emphasising text. I can't remember the last time I underlined something in any text that I have produced. On Wikisource I find some other way of emphasising the words (italics or bold, or even both).

The original text indents quotations, reducing both the left and right margins. See: How can that best be done?

This is best done using blockquote tags. i.e. <blockquote>. . .</blockquote>

I found a really spiffy horizontal divider bar, ("Custom rule") you can see it in use at How can I learn the parameters to that device?

Again check the template documentation page at {{Custom rule}}. However, we do have a template {{***}} that will reproduce the three asterisk separators that the text uses.

I need to learn how best to import the images from the .pdf to the formatted text.

I've randomly opened a few pages, but didn't see any images in the text. Can you please point me to a couple so that I see what we're looking at?

I have a complete version of the book in html format. See: (I have the author's permission to update the notice and place this in the public domain.) Can this .html text be uploaded to Wikisource?

It would only be as a copy/paste. As Billinghurst said, we're not really set up for such things.

Thanks again for your help. --Lbeaumont (talk) 11:47, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Lbeaumont:, I can answer some of your questions. To make it easier to see what answer belongs to which question, I've interpolated my answers above. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Jan PotM award[edit]

Thank you for awarding this but I do feel a bit of a fraud in accepting it. As far as I can tell I only changed one relevant page and for the life of me cannot recall what drew my attention to that. I most certainly was not formally participating in the communal drive and indeed normally take conscious effort not to do so any more for perhaps not entirely sane reasons. AuFCL (talk) 01:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Domestic blindness[edit]

Doing a match and split, and for the life of me I cannot work out what I have mucked up in the LST at Critique of Pure Reason (Meiklejohn)/Volume 2/Chapter 2. The sections look right to me at Page:Critique of Pure Reason 1855 Meiklejohn tr.djvu/524, the page says it is transcluded. The s1 transcludes fine in the previous chapter, however, when I do either the first or second section in the chapter 2, fail fail fail. I have been through the obvious, and the unobvious, so it must the bleeding obvious that I am missing and your help would be appreciated. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for intervention. Medically could not resist. Wrong keyword used within <section/> was start= not begin= in Page:Critique of Pure Reason 1855 Meiklejohn tr.djvu/524. N.B. Page:Critique of Pure Reason 1855 Meiklejohn tr.djvu/545 will need to be resolved as well: currently it has two <section end="s2" />s! AuFCL (talk) 07:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I get the point. Delete the revision(s) if you must. AuFCL (talk) 11:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Nah. Moving links! The thanked confirmation link was there, then it redrew, and it was another as I clicked. Hell bells, I reverted me too. Please stop the sniping. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome![edit]

Thank you. 2015.ww (talk) 07:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

A musical page[edit]

Hi! Can you lend a hand for this page? It is the last page of the work, and beyond my skill level. Hrishikes (talk) 15:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: done. It's not very good music as a setting for this poem, but that's what's there. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:17, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks. Hrishikes (talk) 06:20, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

File:Typescript copy of the reminiscences of John Caldwell. PRONI, T3541.5.3.pdf[edit]

It's been over a month, and there's seemingly no real objection to the removal of the annotated file version, in the relevant disscussion. The issue seems to revolve around the underlying source document, as opposed to the annotations which definitely can't stay. Another contributer's already pulled the "original" text into a seperate page.

You expressed a view towards removal, and I feel someone needs to take the iniative. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I also in checking back the uploader , found this -

which appears to be yet another version. Something doesn't seem right here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906[edit]

What is the source for this book? I have cleaned all of the images and am ready to upload them. —Maury (talk) 09:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The file is File:Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906.djvu, if that helps? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Nope that doesn’t help. All images now on Commons. One image inserted into book. I am sleepy now at 5am.

The url is what I wanted and found.

Title Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906
Author Elizabeth Lee
Year 1918
Publisher Nisbet & Co., Limited
Location London

—Maury (talk) 10:06, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The return of an old colleague...[edit]

Hey Bees - I am back on Wikisource! Its been almost 2 years but I am glad to see the Source still going strong. How have you been? What is new around here or what has changed? I am thinking of continuing work on the Medieval Mind for starters.

Glad to be back. - Tannertsf (talk) 11:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back @Tannertsf:. Hope all is well with you and yours. I do check on Mediaeval Mind from time to time to see if you've done a little more. However, don't feel you have to work on it if there is something else that takes your fancy for a while.

I don't think that there have been any major changes in the period since you were last here. If I do think of something, I'll let you know. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:38, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I started to get the feel that nothing was new after doing some work on here yesterday. - Tannertsf (talk) 10:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Another chapter complete[edit]

Hello Bees,

I wanted to let you know that I have gone through another chapter for Medieval Mind and transcluded it. I have been annoyed at one user's quick proofing of the rest of this work and Vol 2 (he is on it now) and I am making sure to go through all of his pages and usually have a good number of fixes so I will validate them. But since I proofed the first part of the chapter, it would be great if you could validate it for me. I know I can't make people stop but I enjoy proofing a lot more than validating. Oh well.

Cheers, - Tannertsf (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Update: This person has done well so far on Medieval Mind. I am going through and checking any errors and eliminating spaces so text looks better transcluded. Would you mind going through and making sure all of the harder formatting things are done correctly? Mainly, I don't mind proofing poems but gosh dang they are hard to format. :D - Tannertsf (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

No problems, as I have time I'll chip away at it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Off For Hawaii. pp 112, 113 use of hws and hwe[edit]

@Beeswaxcandle: On pp. 112 and 113, p. 112 looks fine, but the beginning sentence on p. 113 is incorrect. The hyphen is missing, but the word "Mark" is incorrectly there. Maile66 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done On page 113 you needed {{lpe}}, not {{lps}}. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Maori Religion and Mythology[edit]

Maori Religion and Mythology.djvu is validated with the exception of 4 pages. I haven't worked enough with family tree formatting, or footnote formatting in Wikisource, to make the technical corrections.

  • Page 14 - alignment seem off between Rere and Ue
  • Page 15 - alignment off between Korouaputa and GENEALOGICAL DESCENT FROM TOKO-ROTO.
  • Page 16 - alignment looks off beginning with Pakak
  • Page 29 is a footnote issue. The footnote numbers don't match beginning with 5. Could it be that I'm just not familiar with how that kind of footnote formatting is supposed to look?

If these can be corrected, I can go ahead and validate them to complete this book. Maile66 (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for working on this book. I do hope you have enjoyed some of the stories. To get the family trees to behave at all I had to make some compromises with representing the printed page in the electronic medium. Remember that our goal is to make the content available rather than re-create the pages exactly. If you think that I've changed the meaning of the structure or the intent of author with my layout tweaks, then we'll have another try.
For the footnotes on page 29, this is an artefact of the way that the wiki software deals with repeated footnotes. The alternative is to repeat the footnote text for 5 and again for 10 & 11, which I felt would be less representative of authorial intent. (It's interesting how the Victorians got around explicit terms by simply not translating them.) Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
As long as what is there is what you intended, I validated the pages and changed the index status to validated. And, yes, I very much enjoyed reading this book as I went along. Maile66 (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Framley Parsonage[edit]

Thank you for picking up validation behind my proofing. I noted that you fixed something on my transclusion efforts. I did have a printout of the coding of a previous chapter and missed that second /. Although the chapters did fall in line, obviously there is a reason for the slash. I'll try to be more careful for the rest. Again, thanks. Humbug26 (talk) 17:34, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've been meaning to come back and finish this book off, but have got caught up with other things. It was a pleasant surprise to find someone else working on it. I've put a few layout choices on my part back and added notes to the Index Talk: page. I need to learn to document these when I start a work so that there aren't tangles. The advantage of using the {{header}} template is that it's linkable. For the second / character in links, this is a short-cut for relative links that displays only the last part of a multi-level link. Without it the links showed as "Framley Parsonage/Chapter 26", while they only need to say "Chapter 26". The long-hand version of the link is [[Framley Parsonage/Chapter 26|Chapter 26]] Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Shall I continue with the proofreading? I did revalidate the first book, validated the second and third, and just continued on with the fourth. Without the prior formatting requirements, I merely tried to make the book look similar to those proceeding this one. Good to know about the linkability of the template chosen. Also good to know about the slashes; how things appear with or without them. I noticed that you started to bring this series of six books in about 2013. The last two books are in Commons, volume 1 and 2 for each. Would you be willing to bring them across, setting them up to a standard of your choice? I could then proof these to try to finish off the series. It would be a great benefit to the site to have all six books in the "Chronicle" available. I would really like to see this series as complete. :) Humbug26 (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that getting all six books up would be great. That's been my intention all the way along, I just get distracted by other things. By all means continue with the proofreading. From memory the OCR for Framley has some "frustrations" and it was nice to not have to deal with those (grin). It will also be good to get the series off my to-do list. I'll set up the Indexes for Small House at Allington this evening (my time) and do those for Last Chronicle of Barset later in the week. Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
This is now DONE! I do have one question though. On page 359 you removed the SIC template around the word arrrangement' (3 r's). Is this not an appropriate time for the use of this template?
Onto to A Small Town. I note that you did not set up specified formatting. Did you want to continue with the chapter titles/headings as in Framley Parsonage? I took a quick scan through this version at IA and I note that every other page has a different header, long dashes appear, there are no ellipses, and, best of all, chapters start/end on pages by themselves; no more sections [happy dance!] Humbug26 (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Excellent! I didn't notice the 3 r spelling. I'll put it back. Yes, please carry on with using the heading template. If there are any quoted letters, please switch over to using {{quote}}. I've got quite a busy few days ahead in RL, so I won't get to making Index Talk: notes for a little while. Feel free to start them. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The Small House at Allington[edit]

Will you please validate page 142/djvu 162 of this project? My concern is with the ending of the correspondence at the bottom of the page. It doesn't look quite right on the page, and looks so-so on the transcluded page. Is there a better way? Humbug26 (talk) 18:34, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Sometimes these things are better done from the left side of the page rather than back off the right. Have a look and see what you think? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, this is much better. I did think of the gap template, yet when I read the documentation on it, it seemed to read that it was not to be used for this purpose. I guess whatever works. Noted for next time; with this author, there will be a next time. Humbug26 (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


I was telling the guy some of the books he wrote articles on itwiki are stored here. And also, that I couldn't leave this message on Italian wikisource because he wasn't registered there yet. I do that often on many different platforms, and it's the first time it is ever considered spam. Mainly because I am not selling anything, just informing. Too bad for enwikisource not for me, I got nothing from that. :D--Alexmar983 (talk) 10:36, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

BTW if the problem was the link I used, that was an interview to the user I found on the internet. I wanted to be sure he was that guy, because it is a retired principal. We are trying to introduce wiki in the schools in Italy and wikisource is one of the main option. --Alexmar983 (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I do a lot of patrolling here and from extensive experience: Leaving someone a message on a project where they have never edited is pointless. Having it left by someone who is not involved in that project is suspicious. That message being in a language other than that of the project is also suspicious—particularly when the message includes external links. I also noted that the two user names contained the phoneme "mar". As a result I elected to speedy delete the page. The external link is the reason for the particular deletion reason I chose. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
That sound so "2007" to me. I do a lot of message on different platform, leaving someone a message on a project where they have never edited is NOT pointless, it just depends on the message and the users: we are in an interconnected system, involvement on a platform is quite predictable based on the user general behavior. I create crosswiki connections all the time. If all the projects had this patrolling, they would have lost many motivated users I brought to them. Good for them they don't :D
BTW I did have a edit, I am involved on itwikisource and wikisource in general, and don't assume just because I reviewed one page I didn't look here around. I did, that's why I know that those books I cited in the message are stored here. For the future don't worry, will try to avoid English wikisource unless necessary. I will just leave a message to that guy on wikidata (when noone cares too much) or on Italian wikisource as soon as his SUL is connected there. Also I am quite surprised how an interview of that type could be considered spam. --Alexmar983 (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
with the cross-project notifications, it is not entirely pointless. although it might get lost in notification stream. Slowking4RAN's revenge 11:52, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Westward Ho! — two pages not transcluded[edit]

Was it purposeful to not transclude the image and the title page? — billinghurst sDrewth 22:46, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Given that there is a "normal" title page (/9), I elected to ignore the unattractive one and therefore the author image as well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:44, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Bunny Brown at Camp Rest-a-While[edit]

I've validated Bunny Brown at Camp Rest-a-While.djvu as far as anything that was proofed. I did not change its status, because what is remaining are three Adverts that have not been proofed. Love the Stratemeyer Syndicate books. Maile66 (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

@Maile66: Thank you so much for doing these. We have a policy that adverts and other material that aren't part of the work don't have to be proofread/validated before changing the status. So, feel free to update the status.

If at some stage you would like to proofread a Stratemeyer book, I can send you a Word document on how to work through the whole process (including the bits on Commons). Any book on Portal:Stratemeyer Syndicate that has § beside the title has a file on Commons ready to go through the process (there are 80 at present). Just email me via the "Email this user" link in the toolbox on the left. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:28, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

The Last Chronicle of Barset[edit]

Hello. I'm currently finishing up The Small House at Allington, Vol 2 and am wondering if you would please bring over the last of this series from Commons? If you set up the initial transclusion like you did with Small House, I can finish the transclusion as I proof. The only thing I'm still not confident in tackling is images. The help documentation does not instill in me the push to try this yet. Humbug26 (talk) 17:53, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I thought you might be close. I've set up the Index files and done the pagelists. Index:The Last Chronicle of Barset Vol 1.djvu. I'll have a look at the images for Small House when I've a moment. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I'm lost. I've done the TOCs for vol 1 and 2, and was going to try the main namespace using Small House as reference for coding. This has now become frustrating. I can't see in my mind's eye the correlation between the coding and the final result. If you could do this part, I'll transclude the chapters as I proof. One other thing: There are thumbnail pictures at the beginning of 16 chapters in vol 1 (assume vol 2 is similar). See chapter 1. I marked as missing image and status problematic. Is this correct? Humbug26 (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Mainpage is transcluded. For the initial pages for the chapters, yes mark as problematic and we'll come back to them later. The way I usually work is to proofread all the text first, then go back and do the images all in one go. That way I have single task focus. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

/*WOMEN SWEAR*/[edit]

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Hi, Beeswaxcandle. Shouldn’t this be WOMEN’S—WEAR GRADATIONS? GOOD WOMEN NEVER SWEAR ANYTHING. --Maury (talk) 19:53, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

The page is in a section about prostitutes, so no. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:01, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Betty Gordon in the Land of Oil[edit]

Betty Gordon in the Land of Oil is all validated, except for the two adverts at the end that are waiting for images. Maile66 (talk) 00:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:59, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

/*Index:Air Service Boys Flying for France.djvu*/[edit]

Index:Air Service Boys Flying for France.djvu Yes check.svg Done --Maury (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Maury. Hope you enjoyed it. Would it be possible for you to look at the two TOC pages so we can change the status? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Sure, Beez, but all of those source TOCs are red and show the following text, "let 'em have it now. we're right over a big building." So what ever shall I do? Mark ’em as done? And yes, sir, it was a relaxation reading over that book, a break from what I had been working on, "Cassell’s Illustrated History of England" (9 vols). Do you like those images? Hundreds of ’em! But I didn’t like the "Air Service Boys" sinking that sub even though it was a German sub. Go Navy! --Maury (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

List of POM contributors[edit]

Hi. I extracted a raw list of contributors from the "recentchanges" database table, for the Nov 2016 POM 'Tom Swift and His Airship.djvu' to help assemble the list of contributors, but I was only partially successful because the recent changes table only stores page namespace data for about 20 days, (about 28,500 records), so it's the wrong source to get the complete info. This is the query I created. If you think that this type of data extraction would help you to save time, then I would gladly continue the quest. — Ineuw talk 02:49, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but Mpaa has already done some queries through the tool lab. See #April POTM section somewhere above. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:33, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, better late than never. In any case, it woke me up to work more with SQL. — Ineuw talk 19:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb you again, I was curious to see Mpaa's query, so I posted some info on his talk page. I designed the query so that anyone can use it to extract the historical contributor info by the project name since it was created. — Ineuw talk 20:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Footnote without a Reference[edit]

I'm now adding links to the index in the Swift volumes, and found a footnote problem that I'm unsure how to fix. This page in the second volume has a note at the bottom of the first page of a dedication. Leaving it in the main body of the text resulted in this odd appearance in the full dedication. It could go to the beginning of the footnotes by attaching it to the title like a footnote. Or it could stay where it is (in the middle of a word in the first paragraph) by treating it like a block quote and moving it more to the center of the page. I lean toward the first option, and could make it a footnote. What do you think? Thanks for your help, as always! Susan Susanarb (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

transclusion monitoring templates[edit]

Hi. {{index transcluded}} should migrate to {{index validated date}} rather than be in addition to it as per Special:Diff/6548187/prev. Ta. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)