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Fingers off[edit]

It's not February yet. Leave it be until then. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:23, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, fair enough.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for hijacking Child-life in Japan[edit]

I got a bit carried away and in hindsight I realise that should have bounced it off you first. I hope you didn't mind. Moondyne (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries at all, each has his specialisms. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Bradshaw's[edit]

Sorry, I think I can be of little help with these difficult tables, but I just wanted to congratulate you with the fantastic work you've done with this booklet! And of course I promise to help with validating! Dick Bos (talk) 20:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Allende's Chile[edit]

I just uploaded some pages: commons:Category:Allende's Chile (CIA report)

I don't think these pages are "problematic," so much as...some work remains to get them finished, and the images will of necessity be rather low quality. Right? I know there are varying opinions, but just to share my thinking -- I typically use the "problematic" label if there is a problem with the source document (e.g., the page was folded when scanned), or if there is a copyrighted/fair use image used in the middle of an otherwise free work. Thoughts? -Pete (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I meant to lead with this -- thanks, as always, for working on these! It's always a nice surprise to see somebody unexpectedly working on a text I've uploaded. -Pete (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I was told that if there was a missing image to flag the page as problematic, if you think it's not of the same severity as say a damaged page etc., then I think a further disscussion is needed.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Diacritics in Asoka[edit]

Friend, you are doing mistakes in rendering diacritics in Asoka; as in this page, which I have corrected. So you need to understand the principle used in this work. This work uses the circumflex, and not the acute accent, for rendering long vowels; and the macron for the same purpose when quoting others (if used there originally). The author has used circumflex in Rummindêî but macron in the transliteration of that inscription because that was a quotation from Führer's work. The acute accent has been used for long vowels in A History of Hindu Chemistry Vol 1, but not in this work. So you need not usually bother with it in this work. Additionally, this work uses underdot for rendering retroflex letters and overdotted m for rendering Anusvara. So basically you need to bother with four marks only: circumflex, macron, underdot and overdot. As for your question regarding unicode for this script, it was written in Brahmi script. Unicode is available, see Brahmi (Unicode block). But the work itself uses image, so you also have to use image. The unicode for this script will not be readable in most browsers. SVG and PNG formats found in c:Category:Brahmi letters can be used, however. Pictures of Asoka edicts available at c:Category:Brahmi script. Brahmi font available here and here. Best wishes, Hrishikes (talk) 03:17, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - Tyring to read the diacritics in this isn't easy so thanks for the hints.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Smallcaps template requires the text to be in small letters, otherwise it won't work. On rechecking, the work does use the acute accent, but only for rendering the velar s. The author exempts Asoka's name, which he spells without acute, although the sibilant is velar. Hrishikes (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

!![edit]

You have made me very happy today, with your efforts to proofread the final pages of Olmsted report on Portland, Oregon parks. This was one of my first projects on Wikisource, and I have been nibbling at it for years, with some excellent help in terms of guidance, but very little help in the actual labor. It's a very important document to Portland history, and I've often toyed with the idea of printing out a nice, readable copy of it and making a gift to the members of City Council and other interested folks -- who generally recognize its importance, but find it difficult to read blurry PDF scans!

Your help is unexpected, and much appreciated. The last mile is always the hardest! -Pete (talk) 23:22, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Lulu or PediaPress Edition? It still needs proper conversion to bureau quality though...ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Lulu..? PediaPress, I have nearly given up on as viable for Wikisource texts (per a recent discussion with @George Orwell III:, a month or two back -- which I still need to loop back to). I'm not sure what "bureau quality" is -- do you mean the validation process? Yes, there's more work to be done, but...this is a big step regardless!
(The best idea I have is to copy-paste into a word processor and clean it up prior to printing. Which is..suboptimal, but far better than any other options I'm aware of. Curious about Lulu, though.) -Pete (talk) 00:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I'll note...with some trepidation...that I just found a more complete scan of this document available on Google Books, including the ~10 pages before this appendix. (Must have become available since I started -- I searched high and low for it a few years ago!) Suppose I were to upload that to Commons: do you happen to know of a bot or script that could move these pages we have already transcribed over to the new index? -Pete (talk) 00:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Apply GO3, I don't do page move stuff... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Will do, thanks. ...Lulu...? -Pete (talk) 01:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
https://www.lulu.com/
Any by bureau quality I mean a finalized laid out document, with no typos... all the proper images and so on... I.e What you supply on disc to the publisher/printing firm. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I was thinking lulu was some MediaWiki integration...still, looks like a good thing to know about. -Pete (talk) 07:38, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Black's Law templates.[edit]

I don't see the value to templating the entire definition in Black's Law, particularly since some of them run awkwardly over the end of the page (or are several pages). Why not just template the headwords? BD2412 T 14:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to tweak... The underlying template is in effect a styled anchor+ in any event and could probably be subst.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

vague ramblings of a marginally coherent idiot[edit]

No one seems to have shown any interest in helping with the interview for the wikipedia Signpost yet, which kinda makes me feel unwanted and unloved. Gonna cry now. ;) I was wondering if you might be interested in doing so. Like I said on the Scriptorium page, getting together an appealing version of ourselves for presentation in the Signpost might be one of the better ways to get a few more editors involved here.

On a completely unrelated point, I was wondering whether you knew of any sort of attempt here to do something of a kind of "textual" alternative to the w:WP:1.0 effort. I am not of course sure, but I have a feeling anyway that one way to maybe draw in at least a few editors from wikipedia here might be to set up a clearly designated page or group of pages indicating where specific sources related to the articles included in one of the release versions of wikipedia, maybe starting with w:Wikipedia:Version 0.5. So, for instance, maybe indicating the Encyclopedia Britannica article on, for instance, Algeria, as a possible accompaniment to the wikipedia article on Algeria. Or, for people, maybe listing their most notable work(s) (if an author), or the best biography of them available in the PD, or something along those lines, might be of some benefit to both. And, of course, for those articles about books or poems, the books or poems themselves. It might take some work, but do you think it might be at all useful to set up a page listing those possible "collaborations" which could maybe be mentioned on the main page as an occasional alternative to listing WikiProject NARA all the time there? John Carter (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I am not the best person to interview on wikisource matters, I don;t contribute anything like the amount of material other people do. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:32, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
You might be right, but the level of contribution isn't the only factor. At this point, honestly, being a live body willing to answer questions might be enough, considering the lack of responses I've gotten to date. I can and have and will again contact others, but if nothing else having multiple people respond to the questions gives a stronger impression of activity than just one individual. John Carter (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
If you want a specfic project to look at ask Ineuw about the PSM work he's doing, the EB1911 people or the DNB project.. I am myself very slowly trying to transcribe the 18th Century editon of Ruffhead's Statues at Large....

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:Tf[edit]

Hi. May I ask what's the purpose? Isn't {{ts}} enough?— Mpaa (talk) 21:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Tf wraps a div tag around the text block concerned. - If you want a better name feel free, its technially "text formmated block" but tf was the best short code I could think of quickly.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
There should ideally also be a spanned version of it, but I couldn't think of short code.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Travels in the Levant[edit]

Hi, I've just started looking at the Greek for this work. It's easy enough for me to do, but I note that there are end-note markers on the pages. How are you doing the linking with the end-notes? I only ask because I can't tell from the pages I've looked at. As a result I'm marking them as "not proofread" so that I don't mess up your scheme. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Source file fixing[edit]

Hi! Can you please be more specific about your file fixing comments, so that I can correct the same? The title page of Index:The English Works of Raja Rammohun Roy Vol 2.djvu is not a problem, because it can be proofread from copying material from title page of Vol 1. As for Index:Confessions of a Thug.djvu, removal of Google frontsheet is not mandatory as on date. Illegible pages can be proofread by copying from Gutenberg. If any page is totally corrupt or missing or duplicate etc., replacement can be done from copies of the file at Digital Library of India (1, 2, 3). So please give specific pointers, so that action can be taken. Regards, Hrishikes (talk) 10:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Page:A Historic Judicial Controversy and Some Reflections (Gregory, 1913).djvu/3[edit]

Could you please validate the above page so that the above Index can be validated.--kathleen wright5 (talk) 08:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Pagelist check[edit]

Hi! I have changed the file at Index:The Story of My Life.djvu. Can you please review the pagelist? Hrishikes (talk) 04:30, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

OCR layer[edit]

How are you diagnosing absence of OCR layer in Index:History of Indian and Eastern Architecture Vol 2.djvu and Index:Chaitanya's Life and Teachings.djvu? The OCR text is very much visible to me on random checking. Hrishikes (talk) 13:45, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Page:Cihm_33811.djvu/12[edit]

I copied what you did on Page:Cihm 33811.djvu/11 which was proofread dispite having illegible text, which has now been validated by me. See edit history where on 15th May it was marked Problematic and on 21st June marked Proofread. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 11:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

The Bible of Amiens TOC[edit]

Why remove the links in the TOC to The Bible of Amiens? Shouldn't the TOC have links to the subpages? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Opps... I was merly re-aligining some page numbers I thought. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Connection[edit]

Hello User:ShakespeareFan00 , Please indicate how to activate the wikisource link in a wikipedia article after a wikisource redirect. Ws:Author:Alain Berton and Wp:Alain Berton, Thank you for the help--DDupard (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

BCP Lectionary[edit]

Thanks for your help on the BCP Lectionary. It would have taken a lot longer without your assistance. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Memoirs of a Huguenot Family[edit]

ShakespeareFan00, thank you for all of the work you did on this book. —Maury (talk) 00:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:Sushruta Samhita Vol 2.djvu[edit]

Corrected the file. Please check. I'll see about Vol 3 if you give some pointers. Same for the two volumes of The Surgical Instruments of the Hindus. Hrishikes (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:The History of Bengal.djvu[edit]

Map added. Hrishikes (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Added the missing pages. Hrishikes (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

" No Sir, I am British! "[edit]

"No Sir, I am British!", ShakespeareFan00 declared with the greatest of pride. "Then sir", asks I, "why not come proofread or validate the pages of British history under the bedazzling title of "Cassell's Illustrated History of England, v.1"? To this he replied, "I cannot, I will not, besides I already did one page!" "Ah!" sighs I, "a true lover of our mutual mother-tongue, our homeland of Bonney Ole Angland" again cast aside.smiley —Maury (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Wow! You're fast and accurate! I was just kind of teasing you and I hope that you didn't get angry. Thank you for the work you did. It IS an impressive history, the USA has hardly any history in comparison to mother England. Please do more if so inclined and guide me so that this volume will become worthy once again. I don't think many people know England's history. I have only known bits and pieces of it so I started working on these volumes to learn more as I work on them. When a person says, "I am British", does that mean they were born in England or a former British colony like New Zealand, or Australia? I think we all tend to dearly love the nation of our birth. Perhaps it is an instinct? —Maury (talk) 23:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Just be glad I don't ask you to do the entire Ruffhead Statutes at Large ;) ( No objections if you do though)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Also Index:Experimental researches in electricity.djvu could do with some proofreading as well ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:11, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
I have done several pages of Index:Experimental researches in electricity.djvu and I will be back to do more. The watchlist will show what I found as errors. I will alternate with this book and "Cassell's Illustrated History of England, v.1" Thanks for the friendly exchange. —Maury (talk) 01:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Please let me do the rest of my chosen project. I wanted you to do only the validating. Thank you, —Maury (talk) 23:42, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
OK thanks for letting me know :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
ShakespeareFan00, since the above, I have had mild stroke. I thank you for the work you have done and am saddened that I am wearing down. I cannot do what I have been doing for several years on WP and WS. I don't know what I can do other than tell you and work on images. I tell you only so that when you see me messing up or going slow that you, my co-partner at this time in working on projects WHY I am not doing better. Still, Cheers! and full speed ahead. I never expected this. These volumes on England have both excellent description and illustration. I wish that I had done them all! I too am British down to the war for American Independence and proud of it. —Maury (talk) 00:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Wow! You really get around fast and accurate! I keep seeing your work on many projects - all over the place! I keep seeing accuracy as well. I keep thinking, "Nobody can do that." But there is your work again many times over. You are one grand "Brit", glad I never had to fight you in 1812 or before! Thank once again for your work on Vol.1 and Vol.2 of CASSELL'S ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF ENGLAND. Come back anytime and work on whatever you want to work on. Thanks again, —Maury (talk) 11:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Index:Views in India, chiefly among the Himalaya Mountains.djvu[edit]

Corrected the file. Hrishikes (talk) 17:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:Climbing on the Himalaya and Other Mountain Ranges.djvu[edit]

Is there any reason to mark it as "to be proofread"? Are you planning to correct the defects? Hrishikes (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks , These were duplicate pages, as opposed to "missing ones" so ... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, this file is ready for proofreading, I think. Those extra pages may be marked as without text. I have checked other versions available on the net, these extra pages represent presence of bigger, folded image, e.g., the Kashmir map, and not some missing page. Hrishikes (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:History of Mediæval Hindu India Vol 2.djvu[edit]

Replaced the blanks. Hrishikes (talk) 05:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:History Of Mediæval Hindu India Vol 3.djvu[edit]

Can you please specify the problem, so that I can attempt at correction? Hrishikes (talk) 05:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Corrected the file. Hrishikes (talk) 13:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:Kings of Kashmira Vol 2 (Rajatarangini of Kalhana).djvu[edit]

Corrected the file. Hrishikes (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Age of the Imperial Guptas.djvu[edit]

Is the file still defective? Hrishikes (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Physical Geography of the Sea and its Meteorology[edit]

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Physical_Geography_of_the_Sea_and_its_Meteorology.djvu/384

You're very good!!! Thank you for all of the help you give me as well as others. You must do this for a living! —Maury (talk) 07:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

File correction[edit]

Corrected these files:

  1. Index:Hindu Castes and Sects.djvu (frontsheet also removed)
  2. Index:Myths of Babylonia and Assyria.djvu
  3. Index:The Native States of India.djvu
  4. Index:Archaic England.djvu

Hrishikes (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Burke's Peerage[edit]

What is the problem with these two chunks? The work cannot be uploaded as a single file because the size crosses 100 MB and too much compression disrupts readability. Hrishikes (talk) 02:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

It can be uploaded a single file (Chunked upload) at Commons, but you'll need to find a Commons admin to enable it for you.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I have tried it and it failed. Normal upload had also failed and I had to take a bypass as explained by me at scriptorium. Anyway, if there are no missing pages or such other defects, then it can be proofread as is and transcluded as whole. Hrishikes (talk) 08:45, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
OK Will page check..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:Echoes from Old Calcutta.djvu[edit]

File corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 05:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Further corrections done. Hrishikes (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Rechecked ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:India in the Fifteenth Century, being a Collection of Narratives of Voyages to India.djvu[edit]

File corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 07:45, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Index:Bengal Celebrities.djvu[edit]

Please recheck. Hrishikes (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Yes check.svg Done ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Parenting categories[edit]

Hi, all categories (except the top one) need to have at least one parent. Otherwise they're not in the tree and therefore can't be navigated to or from. Can you please give Category:Table helper templates an appropriate parent? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Descent of Man is almost done.[edit]

Only fifteen pages need validation at Index:Descent of Man 1875.djvu. If you do those, I'll jump on validating King v. Burwell. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd left the index on the Darwin work because there seemed to be a style inconsistency, in reagrd to the list format and the headers. Also I felt it reasonable to give others a sporting chance. There's no rush to get anything completed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:27, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
If there is an inconsistency, wouldn't the thing to do be to find the most appropriate format and apply it consistently? Also, wouldn't the format used on Page:Descent of Man 1875.djvu/657/Page:Descent of Man 1875.djvu/658 be the better one? BD2412 T 16:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Created {{rh/5}} and will update accordingly. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that works beautifully. BD2412 T 16:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Descent of Man been nominated for Featured Text, but some issues have been spotted. Some of these could be more easily handled by someone with automated checking. See the Featured text candidates discussion for details. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:Babur-nama Vol 2.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:A Handbook of Indian Art.djvu[edit]

Can you please elaborate on the defect? Hrishikes (talk) 16:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:The Great Book of Magical Art, Hindu Magic and East Indian Occultism.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 14:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:Aphrodite - Ancient Manners.djvu[edit]

The missing page is a blank after the image. This interpretation is as per http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36378/36378-h/36378-h.htm Hrishikes (talk) 14:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:A Collection of Treaties, Engagements and Sanads relating to India and Neighbouring Countries Vol 3.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 17:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why[edit]

I am not sure why you do page numbering like you have done in Index:More Australian legendary tales.djvu (noting that I do these things in the works I upload anyway). To me your style is of little to no value in my opinion. The pages actually have silent number, and it is more value to be able to wikilink to them as page numbers, rather than to some false text reference. I know that they have specific names in the publishing industry to define the make up of a book, but I do not see any value to us, especially when it is transcluded it is pretty obvious what it is, and having a bit fat page label that says [copyright] is pointless and ugly (again in my opinion). — billinghurst sDrewth 06:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I think John O. Meusebach is complete?[edit]

I think I got carried away validating this.

Index:John O. Meusebach - Answer to Interragatories.djvu

There is a page highlited in yellow as a Dupe. Well, not exactly knowing what I was doing, I re-typed the text in the dupe. In hindsight...yes, it's a dupe page. But I believe all the pages in this have been validated. Let me know, please, if I need to do anything else with it.

Maile66 (talk) 20:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Did a recheck - Not a duplicate :) My mistake..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, then I did the correct thing. Thanks. Maile66 (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Gunpowder Plot[edit]

Validating your pages as a return of favors to me on Illustrated England by Cassell. Your page 170 catholic spelled wrong but quoting same man page 171 saw it is spelled correct. —Maury (talk) 07:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:58, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Lost row[edit]

In A_History_of_Horncastle_from_the_Earliest_Period_to_the_Present_Time/Chapter_3, 1868 Robert Giles is lost in the transclusion of Page:A_History_of_Horncastle_from_the_Earliest_Period_to_the_Present_Time.djvu/70.— Mpaa (talk) 08:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

cringe worthy[edit]

ShakespeareFan00, you typed in an observation about something being "cringe worthy" in a note to another person. Were you meaning the text in Cassell's Illustrated History of England or am I doing something wrong? If I am doing something that you do not approve of then I would like to know what it is so I can remedy the situation. Also, thanks for working so much on this English history volume. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 21:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the specifc comment as I think in the note you mention, I may have been referring to myself. I have no problems with what your doing on Cassell so far?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I replied on my talk page to your question posted there. I was just wondering if I have been working on the book properly, and especially with so may images. Also, I certainly do appreciate what you're doing on this English history. Cheers! —Maury (talk) 10:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


"2. The Celts—a tall fair-haired race, speaking an Aryan tongue. It was their migration that was stopped by the rise of Rome. Four

I 129 129 I"



The above is on page 129 as shown when in edit mode. But in looking at that finished page it looks strange. Please fix so I can finish validating that book on Wales. —Maury (talk) 20:19, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Ada Lovelace color.svg Ada Lovelace Award
Thank you, ShakespeareFan00, for your enthusiastic remote participation in the University of Oxford transcribe-a-thon for Ada Lovelace week. You have contributed substantially to our progress on texts by and about women scientists. Best wishes, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Men of Letters Index[edit]

Just to give you a heads-up, I have marked this Index for Speedy deletion (on its Talk page), as it was missing several pages. I have already uploaded another Index in its place, and have begun proofreading. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Non-standard pagelists[edit]

Hi, I was just looking at Index:History of Barrington, Rhode Island (Bicknell).djvu that you helped a new editor with. Help:Index pages#Parameters has some long-established guidelines on how to designate the various pages in the subsection the Pagelist tag. On this work I note that you have used an emdash for all the full-page images as well as the blank pages. This is unhelpful both on the Index page and in the Mainspace—when the work is transcluded these will show as [—] in the page number link. Also, two pages were marked with {{mark}}. This is incorrect as the colour is not overridden by the proofreading process. Could you please start standardising your pagelists in accordance with the guidelines?

In fixing this pagelist I note some inefficiencies that if removed would considerably reduce the size of some of the longer lists. We only need to restart the page numbering after each image and don't need to declare the page immediately before an image. Also quotation marks are only needed when there is a space character in the page name, or with emdashes. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Right well, the above goes against what I was told by another contributor, but thanks for the guidelines :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:07, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
And further to the above, I was told explicitly by another contributor NOT to encode Cvr, Frontspeice, Title, Half-title directly and to use the em-dash I had been. If it's sufficently important that the apparent MoS are followed, then the Proofreading interface should be modified so it's possible to record WHAT the page numbers are directly in Page: namespace, which can then be picked up by the Index:.
The reason for encoding the page 'before' images was to act as a redundant check on the process. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
I have never said to use an emdash, and I would normally use an endash, being that hyphens are a pain the arse at times to click upon when font size is reduced. Template:Mark is your creation; and another of your creations for which I stand with bemusement in its creation ... it should be sent to God, and that it isn't even documented is not up to standard. BWC is right in the general guidance about page numbering start and finish, though has overlooked that there are other characters that need to be quoted, but that is neither here nor there. I have just seen that guidance for cvr, title, fpiece, and I fervently disagree with it. Primarily many of those pages have numbers. That is not a discussion for this page, and I have utilised the appropriate talk page to further that discussion. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Then I must have misread your earlier comments, I am in the process of re-examining the pagelists I added onward from the date of your previous comments. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Index:Gospel of Buddha.djvu[edit]

Many thanks for discovering that in 1917 edition of the book, 2 pages are missing, before I ever did anything about the book after uploading it. On Internet Archive there is a later edition (I think of 1922 or 1923 which means it was reissued after the death of the author/compiler) and we might rather use that on Wikisource. I originally chose the 1917 edition purely because the year speaks to me (as the year of Russian revolutions) but it is not necessary to stick with it (suggesting that the later edition is better). Tar-ba-gan (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Oops. I did not know how to handle that ToC formatting, sorry my edits caused you trouble. -Tar-ba-gan (talk) 22:24, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Tip for you[edit]

When I am actively editing a work, please just keep right out of the way of the work. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Apologies, LMK when finished so I can validate as far as possible. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:41, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:Letter_to_the_Sub_Inspector_of_Police_Roma_Street.pdf&diff=6009773&oldid=5985420[edit]

I would advise you that rather than put {{sdelete}} into place, that you would be better to get the file undeleted at Commons and moved here. Adding delete is wrong and unhelpful. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The Daemon of the World[edit]

Wow, impressive work! This poem is the only one on the Shelley list that Wikisource is missing (I don't know if that's a complete list of his poems). I haven't time to add it to mainspace now, but I will. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:Statute_table/collective/entry has closing |-[edit]

The usual issue of an open table page having a terminating |- killing the page numbering. I will fix the template and bot fix the pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm compiling a list of similarly affected templates. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
They can have a row marker, it just needs to lead the template, not trail, so when it gets to the end of the page it isn't a problem. The others are fixed, and I did it that way as I needed to confirm and see the issues of the change. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:12, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Tired of trying to follow you.[edit]

Why do you insist on doing stuff like this (create a new section by editing the one above it, either carrying over the wrong default summary prefix -or worse- a no summary at all)?

Can you understand how hard that makes it to do a simple history/watchlist thread check? How long it can take before I realize there is a new thread depending on how long between replies?

I welcome your participation on en.ws so I have to ask before I lose my mind and say something regrettable - are you aware most forums (like scriptorium) and talk pages (like this one) have an "ADD" or "Add topic" selection somewhere close to "Edit", "History" "More" etc. along the top of the page? Do you know using it automatically adds a new section after the current last one on that page? -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Concern noted. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Index:Three Years in Tibet.djvu[edit]

Hello ShakespeareFan00,

Thank you for all the attention to my uploads. I am afraid I do not know the rules as well as you do. Is Ekai Kawaguchi's 1909 work ok on Wikisource considering he lived until 1945? --Tar-ba-gan (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

1945+70= 2015 , so Just :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Instituting an un-official policy of querying Non-US editions.[edit]

Please stop being problematic. Our policy on pre-1923 has nothing to do with the place of publication, as per US law on the matter. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, I've over-reacted to an earlier concern. The response is pretty much what I thought was policy anyway. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Non US Editions/works where the author or translator etc. died after 1945[edit]

So these might need to be made local compared to Commons.

No dates/ Author(s) Undocumented[edit]

Index:Thucydides, translated into English Vol 1.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 15:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Index:The Early History and Growth of Calcutta.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Index:Ramakrishna - His Life and Sayings.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 01:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Is the file still defective? Hrishikes (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Index:The Voyage of Nearchus from the Indus to the Euphrates.djvu[edit]

Images added. Hrishikes (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Index:Vidyasagar, the Great Indian Educationist and Philanthropist.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

NMAM Method 3800[edit]

ShakespeareFan00, I validated the pages on Index:NIOSH Manual of Analytical Methods - 3800.pdf pending validation. There were several pages missing images so I have now added them. I did not know how much progress you made in proofreading so upon adding the images I marked them as "not proofread." Can you go through these pages and mark which ones you've finished proofreading so that I can validate them? Thanks, James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Duly proofread and status updated.. I didn't do the first few pages and theres a table of compounds that needs looking at around pp 9 or 10 IIRC.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

NMAM Chapter R[edit]

I have now added the missing images to Page:NIOSH Manual of Analytical Methods - Chapter R.pdf/2. I marked it as "not proofread" because I don't know how far along you got before you marked the page as problematic. Please mark the page as proofread if it is ready to be validated. Thanks, James Hare (NIOSH) (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Index:Famine Inquiry Commission (Woodhead Commission) Final Report.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Cassell's 9 volumes of Illustrated History of England[edit]

If the 1st volume is ever completed including transcluded when all is complete it will be a miracle! In all honesty, I don’t believe it will be transcluded. I don’t know how. So, no use in "jumping the gun" with volume 1. Can you do the transclusion for volume 1? I am going to finish all of these hundreds of excellent images.—Maury (talk) 15:06, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
P.467 {{Smallcaps = Template:Smallcasp [in red letters] This is a continuous error in your editing I have been correcting using sc. —Maury (talk) 16:59, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

My Sincere apologies[edit]

Hello old friend, My health is failing me. I will be no longer be on IRC nor online. My best wishes to you and your family, I am sorry for not being able to finish our project, I don't have the energy to dictate and record it. Sincerely, iDM IDangerMouse (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

No worries, Hope you recover ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I will be in hospital for a while. :( —Maury (talk) 04:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Noted. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Index:Great Neapolitan Earthquake of 1857 Vol 2.djvu[edit]

Corrected, plus frontpage removed. Hrishikes (talk) 05:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Further corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 13:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Corrected again. Now, why can't you point out all the faults in one go? Hrishikes (talk) 15:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I did, on the Index page. as far as I can tell. Apologies. Care to look through the others in the "Needs fix" category, I labelled a number of these. and having gotten the "File to check" category within reasonable levels, I am going to take another look at them. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Potential planning?[edit]

Hey ShakespeareFan00 -

Everyday I come to Cassell's History of England and I give a sigh because I see that more and more is proofread each day. I despair of the validation process because I prefer looking and correcting at non proofread pages and enjoy the deciphering of them. As such, I don't mean for this to be mean, but I don't want to be the validator of this work. It is a wonderful book and I was elated to see such a great number of volumes of it on here. But I want to proofread it... Can I suggest a strategy where you can validate the pages after I proof them first? I would be glad if we could do this... Maury could add in the pictures, I could proof it and then you could validate? - Tannertsf (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, I hadn't planned on doing any proofing past Vol1 yet, I uploaded all the volumes so someone else could take the effort on, thanks for volunteeering. I have many other projects in the pipeline. Not least cleaning up a set of official figures for laying out UK road signs. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok. I am glad you took this as not being mean. I wish you good luck on the Road signs project! - Tannertsf (talk) 23:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Tannertsf: If you want a decipher challange... I have 2 works needing attention of someone, but be warned you could be doing it for a while:

I have many others noted if you are want a challange... (Note I wont ask you to attempt reading manuscripts or Fraktur, that needs a specialist :) )ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:11, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh my goodness - those are exceptionally hard! I have usually drawn my line at complex formats and the old English style texts. Once had to read passages of old English texts for college, and just figuring out what they were saying took longer than writing their analysis! haha ... But if you have some works with more modern style English I would be happy to take a look at them. :) - Tannertsf (talk) 23:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Statutes at large is reasonably straightforawrd if you read the long s correctly but you might want to check out some of the works User:Hshrikes posted.. ( The Rulers of India series for example is reasonably easy to read.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
And any effort you can put into the works I mention above would be appreciated. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:22, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello there[edit]

Actually, I pinged you on my talk page, but I'm not sure if pings work the same on Wikisource as on Wikipedia. I'm actually finding time to be more active here than I was a year or two ago, and in a few days should have proofed all of the remaining Index:Colas breugnon.djvu . So, I wanted to know if there is a category or other indicator where I can go in the near future to select something to work on. If anything is narrowed by subject matter, I'm probably more comfortable with literature in the English language. Maile66 (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Try looking at ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Stop it[edit]

Please stop proofreading The Rainbow. You are doing it over-quickly and frankly sloppily: going at a rate of one page per minute, you are making careless mistakes that could have been avoided if you had gone slower. Also you are not abiding by the chapter title style which I laid out explicitly on the Index talk: page.

On a personal level, it was my wish to proofread the book by myself and after doing 160 pages I had become quite attached to it. If you wish to validate it, fine, but be more careful, please. BethNaught (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Okay then, Do you want me to review the pages done so far? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Based on your comments above, I've marked the pages you hadn't reviewed yet as not-proofread, but will back off from further contributions to this work. I'm sorry for a small number of oversights, that as you say could have probably been avoided by a slower technique. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Please do not edit what someone else is actively editing[edit]

It's very confusing for me when I'm in the middle of setting up an index file and you do this sort of thing: diff. Please don't do that. Outlier59 (talk) 10:31, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Noted. Next time I'll make a better check. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! Outlier59 (talk) 23:15, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Index:Kéraban the Inflexible Part 1 (Jules Verne).djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 08:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Please do not jump into new index files too quickly[edit]

Your edit of diff at Index:Life and Select Literary Remains of Sam Houston of Texas (1884).djvu is a poor example for a newbie editor, who will likely think that's the way things should be done on Wikisource. It would be helpful if you would wait a week or two before editing new Index files which are being actively edited, then offer suggestions on the Index talk page. Outlier59 (talk) 02:36, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's happening with DIFF links, but your edit was the link after the one I gave. Outlier59 (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Well if good faith efforts are going to create annoyance... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
@Outlier59: Reverted, Perhaps you'd like to check/pagelist this one to your own satisfaction. Thanks ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
You do not need to confuse my uploads with other works. Hrishikes (talk) 11:45, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Revelations of Divine Love and the Imitation of Christ.[edit]

I will be validating Revelations of Divine Love, albeit at my own (extremely) slow pace. Thanks for adding it. It's a work that I've wanted to see added for a long time and am glad that someone went ahead and did it.

If you're in the mood for proofreading another prominently absent but highly notable religious book, Index:Imitation-of-christ-1901.djvu could use some love. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

ff, fi and fl ligatures[edit]

You do realise that changing these makes no difference whatsoever to the final display? These letter pairs are kerned automatically by all modern browsers. See final vs final. Can you tell without going to edit, which word has the ligature and which doesn't? I can't and I have RL experience in picking this sort of thing up (it was my job for a while). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:00, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Noted. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
My recent edits were in good faith, as I wasn't sure some tools were ligature aware. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:03, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Umm. AGF has long been a policy here and of mine personally. I just don't want you to waste time adjusting things for no final effect. We've so many other things to work on here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
On something else, do we have anyone that's good with Greek alphabet/ scripts - Page:Herodotus_and_the_Empires_of_the_East.djvu/102 being the problem. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:12, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
I've had minimal internet access for the past week, so have only just looked at this. I see that one of our other Greek readers has looked after it for you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Index:The Story of Joseph and His Brethren.djvu[edit]

Yes, I've claimed this index, but I'm having computer trouble at the moment. I will get to it when my iMac is back from the Apple Store. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

If it is outright told that is required[edit]

When I am actively working on something and bringing something new into place, I would like for you to just leave the works that I bring alone. I don't need you doing my index pages. It seems that more subtle statements don't suffice, so here it is direct and to the point.— billinghurst sDrewth 09:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's fair enough. How long do you think I should consider waiting on newly uploaded items? And I was thinking Wikisource was collabrative effort, if there's been a change of policy such that new works aren't handled that way anymore, I'd like that to be explicitly stated somewhere. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
I've reverted the pagelist (provided in good faith), so that you can provide one to your own satisfaction. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Template:Statute table/header[edit]

Some time ago you asked me:

Also there's a different issue here: Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes/Chronological Table/Edw1 namely some unexpected white-space at the lead. Someone else needs to throw the underlying templates in the bin and start the entire work again, manually entering each line of the table in full, as it seems that's going to be the only way of being really sure it will format properly, because having spent countless hours and days playing hunt "the whitespace in a template or transclusion, which the parser decides should be treated in three completely different ways depending on where its buried in a complex set of nested transclusions", I've had enough of trying to work around 'quirks'.

—ShakespeareFan00 22:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

and rather than lose this in the subsequent to-and-fro may I note that substituting <tr> for the final |- in Statute table/header seems to adequately address the issue.

You may have noticed I removed a couple of {{nop}}s experimentally in Page:Chronological Table and Index of the Statutes.djvu/30-35 but frankly they made no difference/did no harm and if you want to put them back for consistency I have no problems. I held off making further changes when I realised you were editing in similar areas. Apologies if there were any collisions. AuFCL (talk) 02:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

/*Cassell's Illustrated History of England */[edit]

ShakespeareFan00, please feel free to edit whatever you want in Cassell's Illustrated History of England v.3 and I will also. We cannot - should not have to - wait for Tannersf on these volumes. I fully understand and feel what he wants but he is still on v.2 He does not work as we do. He has to take days off, days away, necessary things for family and friends. However, it would take forever to get all of the volumes done that way - and perhaps they wouldn’t ever get done because proofreading does take time which Tanner does not have a lot to spare. I like him a lot and consider him my friend but it is unreasonable for him to hold us up on every volume for 1 person’s desire to do them all by himself. I asked for and AdamBMorgan set these volumes up for me and I don’t want them to end up super slow or fast, or perhaps unfinished. —Maury (talk) 15:36, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I was currently OCR cleaning from the back of Vol2. as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:41, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
This a basic as to what I meant. You have time and work on WS as do I. But Tanner is not here for whatever the reasoning and here is what concerns me - getting these volumes done - and done as proper as possible. I am headed back to working on images offline on my computer now which is what I was doing just before I wrote the above. BTW, the reason I once use all lower case letters in a caption was sheer curiosity as to what it would look like and nothing more. Cheers! —Maury (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
ShakespeareFan00, If you are willing please resize images to way _you think is best_ and place them in a proper place in vol.2 Tanner will not do this because he prefers only "proofing" as he reads. —Maury (talk) 19:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I will consider that. :) I tend to not be a good judge of image sizing though, You might want to ask around more generally on this. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I guess I will have to go back behind Tanner and resize images if they need it after he does his text. Are you willing to OCR more pages on vol.3 and mark where images are to be placed? It moves faster. As long as you are working on these volumes I am grateful. Remember what the Japanese colonel said, "Be Happy in your Work." ;) —Maury (talk) 19:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Certainly, I might do a specfic "images" pass next week..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Shakespeare, on vol.3 after you do OCR will you please do the proofreading of header and format page text on each red colored page? After all, only you are a "Brit" as you stated proudly but neither Tanner nor I are. We’re in the USA. He is in the north and I am in the Southwest. Except for not proofing those pages you have made a jolly good showing ole chap! Cheers, --Maury (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
If you want me to do Stages 1 & 2 per my comments elsewhere, sure :), But I am often of the view that I like a third person in the process. ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:02, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure what you refer to but I do know you are smart and fast so you yourself double or triple up when you work. You are the 3 and 4th person. Do you need a "5th" "Cheers", --Maury (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
ShakySpearFan00, "Hail Britannia", what ARE your comments elsewhere that you refer to? You remember do you not? I have to guess because you’ve make a lot of comments elsewhere. Do you want the history of your country (?) (are you in India?) to be known to the world through this series of illustrated volumes or not? --Maury (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
These were the comments in the discussion on your talk page. BTW I have many other parallel projects as well, and was not going at full speed on Cassell's History so that others could keep up :) Once when I got going on something I very nearly manged a whole 120 work in the space of a day :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:44, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I am going to keep going with Vol3. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Good, please format page 26, I think it is, colored yellow, and then validate it. My editor will not format a page. I used to go around doing it for people over the past years as a break but something happened and will not format a page now, the text gets scattered.Noting comments by you above, I don’t think you should work on more than two projects at the most. Isn’t 9 volumes of pages enough for you? To offset that speed -- hasty reading and proofing which brings mistakes. "Haste makes waste". Kind regards ole chap, --Maury (talk) 20:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I can't validate p26 as I marked it proofread , but it should be nearly perfect now ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
AuFCL took care of it. --Maury (talk) 22:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


ShakespeareFan00, if you would be so kind, please take care of the pages already marked red. They all should have images in them now and I have more coming in a few minutes. This way I can have the images with text all done thus far. This way I can determined where to place images and what size they should be.--Maury (talk) 20:40, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
    • ShakespeareFan00, I started placing more images and they went well except for 2 non-formatted pages marked purple. I added image on one or two of those purple and noted the pages were not formatted.-Maury
      • ShakespeareFan00, if you would, in Volume 2, please edit the red squares that have images in them and mark them proofread yellow. Respectfully, --Maury (talk) 19:51, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Index:The Indo-Aryan Races, a study of the origin of Indo-Aryan people and institutions.djvu[edit]

Corrected. Hrishikes (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Proofreading[edit]

"Not a suggestion as such, but this was cleaned up from direct OCR, and I'd appreciate a second proof-reader, checking for scan glitches."

Perhaps I have misunderstood? </Britishness> Your language "cleaned up from direct OCR" sounds like the TemplateScript "Clean up OCR" script. I checked a random page from the work in question and found several "scan glitches" as you call them. Granted, that page has very little text, but according to the timestamps, that page received only one minute of your attention, from, as you put it, direct OCR. Allowing time to drive the interface, I find it difficult to believe that you did more than apply a script and glance at the scan to see if e.g. italics needed adding. (You added italics, but didn't remove several stray punctuation marks, including a tilde, which should have been obvious in proofreading.) Let me ask you directly, did you do word-for-word, line-by-line proofing before marking these pages as proofread?

If the answer is no, is this really acceptable practice? Please do not suggest works to me for validation which have not been properly proofread. BethNaught (talk) 21:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

I did read every single line, which is why I am dissapointed to hear that you are finding glitches.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
And on your comments, I am considering leaving this project, on the grounds that whilst reasonable the standard required is currently above my ability. You can hopefully fend off the angry comments from other people. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe that the quality of your proofreading could be massively improved if you did it more slowly. BethNaught (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Speed doesn't come into it. I've had this argument before, and I'm not prepared to have it again. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
However, if you are prepared to support a status reset on this work, I have no objection to re-checking entire works(even previously validated ones.). When I went back over some earlier efforts I had been working on with others, I found some scan errors that had even been missed on a validation pass by a third party. :( (sigh. ). Can you suggest the names of some other contributors that might be willing to form a "re-read" panel, to help bring all works up to 100% non-printer errors?, ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Struck the above on advisement, see below. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Time for a break?[edit]

Hi,

I think you need to take a break and come back when you're calm and thinking straight.

  • Suggesting BethNaught start a "Pedantic Scribes Wikiproject" is a passive-aggressive attack. I know what comes next: you declare that it was a good faith message, maybe a little clumsily worded, and then get upset that everyone misunderstands you and picks on you. Too bad, I'm calling it: you have made a passive-aggressive attack on BethNaught.
  • Telling a new user who is already in need of guidance that "you need to spend at least 5 minutes per page" is not helpful; it is only going to confuse them more. That is not the community's expectation. No-one does it. No-one demands it of their colleagues. Look, if you feel you've been victimised, and you want to sit back and enjoy that feeling, by all means do go ahead and exaggerate the community's expectations, make us out to be completely unfair and unreasonable. But do it in your own mind, or at least on your own talk page; don't do it on a newb's talk page! I urge you to remove that message.

Hesperian 10:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I've removed both messages. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Can we now get back to making sure things are actually proofread/validated? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Side note do we have a {{wikibreak}} equivalent? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Great; enjoy your break. Hope to see you back here soon.
Yes!
Apparently....
Hesperian 01:31, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

What is the point?[edit]

Today in Special:RecentChanges I see at least a hundred edits marked problematic and with no statement to why they are problematic ... no marking with {{missing image}}, no running header nothing. You have no work on the intervening pages, so it is not even pages that you encounter. What is the point of what you are doing? I am seeing no value in the editing at all. Such an approach pollutes RecentChanges. All this reeks of building an edit count, and little of value to the wiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

In aummary, These were pages with image being added to Cassell as part of an onging effort, as I had been asked prviously to identify which pages had missing images. I was fully intending to edit these accordingly in the next few days (and will be doing so unless you want me to stop). If you would prefer that pages were not marked en-masse, then I can agree with that, but would strongly suggest the relevant policy guidance is updated accordingly ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:39, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I see no value in pointless editing, especially where it bombards recent changes. Pointless and rushed editing are themes that are returned to on multiple occasions. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:54, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
So what do you actually want me to do? I was intending to carry on with the volume concerned, but had marked the disputed "pointless" pages, because others had asked me to. As I said previously, I am giving consideration to whether I continue to contribute here, if I am repeatedly going to get criticised. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Strike the above, ALL contributions need to be high quality, and I got called on this (twice). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
billinghurst, in the statements above, ShakespeareFan00 mentions "Cassell". That is a project I am doing and the 9 volumes were brought to wikisource by AdamBMorgan at my request of him long ago. I asked ShakespeareFan00 to please mark all image pages as problematic. I am doing all of the image work and I didn’t need "missing image" when those previously unmarked pages were not marked as "missing image" when the areas with images was colored purple. I did need the pages colored so I could spot the many image areas as opposed to searching for those areas. There are basically three constant workers on these 9 illustrated volumes of Cassell’s Illustrated History of England. We three divide the work up. In this project ShakespeareFan00 is helping me with what I asked him to do. He knows what to do from what we three agreed on. These are wonderful volumes and instead of getting in each other’s way and getting edit conflicts we are simply working together but yet setting up areas to help each other. No person needs to understand what we are doing because we know and we point out to each other if one of us strays from our agreement. This process has been working well so please do not get upset from your not knowing what we were doing. ShakespeareFan00 is doing what I have asked of him and he is doing it well. They are not mistakes. I placed many images in those colored "problematic" areas just minutes ago. If we didn’t have ShakespeareFan00 doing as he is asked by me or others we would suffer and the project of doing 9 illustrated volumes would then suffer or perhaps even collapse. Please ease up as we are interested in this English history and we have a long way to go. What are we doing wrong? Better yet, look at what we are doing right. These are some of the points you ask for. If any of those are not part of Cassell’s Illustrated History of England then that is a different situation that I know nothing about. As always - Respectfully, --Maury (talk) 12:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

/* Cassell's series*/[edit]

ShakespeareFan00, would you please proofread (yellow) professionally (not fast) all pages _unmarked_ in volume 3? I don’t want you to disappear because you are a valuable contributor. Too, you have honed your skills in proofreading by going a bit slower and checking over your work. It apparently has become a habit. Nice! Cheerio, --Maury (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I had been. I can't validate these though:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Vol.3 p.270 not formatted, scattered text, I just now placed an image inside https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu/284 --Maury
Vol.3 page 282 not formatted
Vol.3 page 295 please validate-Maury
Vol.3 page 65 two or three misspellings please proofread-Maury
Vol.3 page 66 when I open the page I see lots of spaces, areas that are not formatted, do you look inside after you have saved as proofread? That might be where you make mistakes because you can see whether a page is fully formatted or not. P.66 is like that. It isn’t fully formatted. I am not complaining but rather trying to figure out why this happens to you. Something causes it and it may not be "speed". Have a cold beer my friend it may help :) -Maury
It may be to do with how your editor handles "line feeds" vs paragraph break. (easily solved.)

Internally mediawiki ignores certain line feeds in markup, as I recall. But thanks for reviewing :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Whenever I ask you to re-proofread a page the problems go away. Regardless, how is it easily solved? - --Maury (talk) 20:12, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
I run a cleanup script ;) - See here (Wikisource:TemplateScript ) , which adds the options I use. It's not perfect as it's been known to mangle image filenames :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Kool but fix it so it doesn’t mangle image filenames :{’]

I just now inserted an image (p.283) please validate it. Are you going to proofread all or some more of the untouched pages in volume 3. I wish you would. Tanner will be awhile on v.2 and we can probably finish v.3 soon. Then it is onward to v.4 --Maury (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

  • No way is your new way better ref: cih_image|CROMWELL TAKING THE OATH AS PROTECTOR vs New way: Easier for you with many images but I have to add all of the rest for every image. All yours does is appease Billinghurst re: "What’s the point?" and is no better than pasting in only "missing image"
 

P331 Cromwell Taking the Oath as Protector.jpg

CROMWELL TAKING THE OATH AS PROTECTOR


 

--Maury (talk) 22:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

The additional stuff get's added when the template is subst:. If you want I can subst the usages. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at this diff:- https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3ACassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu%2F326&type=revision&diff=6411716&oldid=6408256

I plan on substing the usages, if there's a confusion. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay now that looks excellent! The previous ones suck and it is not my editor. Tanner’s pages look perfect and get validated but I cannot validate your pages. Take a look in "Recent Changes" where I tried to get your attention on this.
This time the proofreads and formats were almost perfect! --Maury (talk) 05:34, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Once again, the proofreads and formats of today were almost perfect but I have done them all. Please do some more proofreads when you have time so that I can validate them. I also added more images that you can validate. This is working exceedingly well for us and for the project. --Maury (talk) 06:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Image placed but page not proofread. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu/405 --Maury (talk) 00:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
ShakespeareFan00, you have done some beautiful work on these 3 volumes! --Maury (talk) 13:44, 3 September 2016 (UTC)


Was waiting on new spectacles. Hopefully my accuracy should improve a little.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
ShakespeareFan00, how did you mark the following as the color as seasick pea-green? ["updated since my last visit"] --Maury (talk) 20:11, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't know. I only proofread the pages you asked about. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:14, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
If you have no idea then perhaps someone (not me) is tracking you and adding it. It is pea-green highlighted text and says, "updated since my last visit". Take a look at it if it is still there after me marking the page as validated. Thanks for proofreading it.--Maury (talk) 20:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Please proofread pages 404, 405, 406, 407 [the ones in RED squares] so I can add images. --Maury (talk) 01:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
ShakespeareFan00, the following page is messed up something terrible including the header and is Not Proofread as you marked it. https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu/361&action=edit Cheers ole chap, --Maury (talk) 02:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I didn't mark it proofread, I marked it as a problem because I had to abort the read on it , will take another look shortly. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
My apologies the whole page confused me. You are correct and I was wrong when I stated you had marked that page as proofread. You did a good job cleaning it up and it’s "in the red" now. We have gotten a lot of pages and images done. When the time comes do you plan on doing the transclusion? It’s not a book (volume) until that is done -- just a bunch or colored squares. Cheers again ole chap, --Maury (talk) 05:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I was going to let someone else handle that. At the moment, I'm just making sure we have the whole text of the volume. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I think that is what most people do about transclusion and images. I don’t attempt to do transclusion either, it is too detailed and difficult;, but Tanner somehow got Volume I. done. The fellow is smarter than I was aware of. L8ter "Brit" (Brit would make a nice sounding name, similar to Brent.) --Maury (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Would you be so kind as to format this page. I have worked on it but it needs proper formatting. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu/14 --Maury (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC)