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Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here:, I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Tech News: 2015-51[edit]

17:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

refs not matching and not making sense[edit]

I can't make sense of the references on this page – can you?

The symbols don't match, but maybe what they meant is:

  • "For this the"  "Vid. Æneid, Lib VI. v. 890." ["Bella, horrida bella" occurs in Book VI of the Aeneid, line 87]
  • "Sprung"  "Æn. III. v. 458."
  • [on the next page] "Thus too..."  "See Æneid, Lib. I. v. 531."

But this would still not make sense (for one thing, Patroclus appears in the Iliad, not in the Aeneid). Should I just skip the references in this one page? ~ DanielTom (talk) 03:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I would agree that it is a little unusual, though has occurred before. It can be that the typographers forgot to add the reference, or as you see in this case that it is on the next page. You need to remember that the author was working on paper with a pen/quill, and not with the same pagination, so here it looks as though the typographer has handled it in a non-common way, possibly 2 & 3 (on the page) and 1 on following. Either way, we type as it is though I suggest to use {{user annotation}} to append to the odd reference to explain the circumstance, so a reader who may know more can interpret in case the typographer really screwed it. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. That's a useful template, but I wouldn't know what to write... Maybe a future "validator" will come up with something; for now I'll just leave the refs commented out. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-13[edit]

19:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Cron <tools.wikisource-bot@tools-cron-01>[edit]

Hi. What is Cron complaining about? Cron <tools.wikisource-bot@tools-cron-01> /usr/bin/jsub -N cron-tools.wikisource-bot- ...— Mpaa (talk) 17:57, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Bloody paths that it cannot find due to set up on the grid, especially in relation to oauth and python, and I have yet to find the solution. I have turned them off. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

{| class="valign" v. Download as PDF[edit]

I just discovered that the references that were placed on An Analysis of Prophet Muhammad’s Covenants with Christians do not print when using the PDF option. Any advice before I go back and move them into the text body using ref tags? calebjbaker (talk) 11:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Calebjbaker: Weird that the table is causing a problem, I haven't seen that before. Let me see if I can remove the tabular aspects that it resolves the issue. Moving the endnotes to footnotes is ugly as the difference from the evolution of references styles is butt ugly in wiki, and the way that wikis spawn errors with bits missing. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:34, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Table(s) removed, and hanging indent used with an attempt to create a tab marker with spaces. Imperfect though shouldn't matter much. Hopefully one of our fellow WSians will be able to see why we are having troubles with tables, it will take me a little while to look at that aspect. It isn't just PDF, it is also EPUBs. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you note[edit]

Thank you so much for the welcome note.

MetSoul (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@MetSoul: Very welcome. While we each work on our own thing, we like to be an interconnected, supportive community. Have fun, and you will find people willing to help at WS:S. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-14[edit]

22:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Grab and convert[edit]

Hey, if I may ask, the "Grab and convert" section of your user page, what do you wish to convert the texts into? I ask because I like to play with Python, and could do some text manipulation for you, esp. if you know someone who would be willing to do a nontrivial photoshop task in exchange.. but even if you don't know about the latter, I still might be able to offer some help... TksLingzhi (talk) 14:56, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Update: striking through the mention of a request, because (based on a reply from a much more knowledgeable editor) it seems my desired task may be prohibitively impractical. But I still can do text manipulation, if it would help you. Cheers. Lingzhi (talk) 22:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for patrolling a 2014 document I provided[edit]

Hello. I am usually on other Wikimedia projects but maybe you know, now there are inter-wiki alerts. I posted something to Wikisource in 2014, and I formatted it incorrectly. A month ago you identified and fixed the problem and posted to my talk page. I am just seeing that now.

Thanks for this. I was thinking - if interwiki communication were better then it might be easier for me to jump project to project and share more documents. Thanks for helping me and thanks also for messaging. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Yes, we met in London at WM2014. FWIW I never look at is as being correct or incorrect, more aligned or not aligned with our developed practice. Always happy to assist ... what comes around, goes around. smiley

Re interwiki notifications, they are indeed a benefit, though can be somewhat tardy. A nuisance still that they cannot be set globally as a default, though I have just prodded that bear at phabricator:T132410. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:55, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Lectures on the Philosophy of Religion[edit]

I think a bot created the 3 volumes of pages, but they must've been imported from somewhere they'd been proofread -- even the special characters are there. Can the not-proofread pages be marked proofread by a bot? Outlier59 (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@Outlier59: For the identified work, the text will have come from elsewhere, often it is Gutenberg, and will have preceded the scan availability. The text would have been split and matched to the scan — an inexact science. The community discussion around that componentry has been different here at enWS that at frWS, where the tool has been used extensively. At enWS we found that the G-texts had levels of inaccuracy in transcription, they were also from non-matching editions, and often not even identified editions, so while we could mark them as proofread by a bot, that would not necessarily be accurate, so we don't. So we tend to use the bot to paste a layer when we are confident that the editions match. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-15[edit]

20:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


Is there a place (here or on meta) where I can read about the generation of epub downloads and other such formats for Wikisource texts? --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: Tpt's tool mul:Wikisource:WSexport is what is used for our Epub generation and the other forms, though I haven't looked there for a while, and I will create a local soft redirect. Or are you meaning epubs in general? There has also been some discussions in WS:S which should be findable in archives, especially for tools that are plugins for browsers (for testing). For Firefox I use Epubreader. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm interested primarily in what has to happen at our end to make epubs and other downloadable formats of texts available to our readers. I don't make use epubs myself, though I may have occasion to quality check.
Featured texts regularly have quick links available from the main page, but these don't often appear elsewhere on our site. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:35, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: Epub/Mobi download links should be available on every main ns page in the "print" section. It is not overt, but most of our links in that space are not. The epub links are more overt in mobile as there is now sidebar. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
<ugh> "No" sidebar. @George Orwell III: utilised his css skills to have the alternative, and it uses the File:EPUB silk icon.svg EPUB silk icon.svgbillinghurst sDrewth 23:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

A question about mobile rendering of PSM[edit]

Hi. Some time ago, you mentioned to me that PSM on mobile was broken because of the {{PSMLayoutTop}} template. I changed the layout from "div" to a table and was wondering if you can point me to the break you mentioned. — Ineuw talk 17:56, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-16[edit]

20:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


Based on the decision for Index:The Collective Unconscious and Its Archetypes.djvu, shouldnt Page:The Collective Unconscious and Its Archetypes.djvu/7 and Page:The Collective Unconscious and Its Archetypes.djvu/9 also be deleted? John Vandenberg (chat) 15:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done thx — billinghurst sDrewth 22:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Intelligence_overseas_field_officer_payscale - This person wants someone to kill them. URGENT[edit]

@Kathleen.wright5: The above person wants someone to kill them. He says "Please kill me; anyone" and "NO JOKE", he describes himself as a "frail, obselete patriot". Could you please find someone to help him ASAP."

They are at the wrong site. Deleted page. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:13, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-17[edit]

21:02, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Arthur or Alexander?[edit]

There seems to be some question as to whether Author:Arthur James Mann (1896-1917) is Arthur James "Hamish" Mann or Alexander James "Hamish" Mann. I am finding it both ways in online searches. Do you have access to better service records? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Alexander, same as the father, which will be why he was called Hamish. Moved, and then put info onto the talk page.— billinghurst sDrewth 15:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Ping didn't show up in my alerts, but thank you for the research, and for the link at talk page. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

new versions of images[edit]

Hi Bill. Sorry to disturb you, but I'm curious about one thing. I uploaded new versions of a few images to Commons that are a bit lighter (less dark) than the first ones, but when I transclude them here, the old versions still show up: Page:Vida's Art of Poetry.djvu/8, 12 and 90 – only when I click on the images (to enlarge them) do I see them change to the new versions. Is that normal? When (if ever) will these images be updated on Wikisource? Thx. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It would seem that the issue is thumbnail generation issue and/or caching, and I am not the expert on it, just recognise the issue. I had a similar issue with phabricator:T106516. Let us see if @Bawolff: is paying attention here. Otherwise I would start by asking at Commons VP with your examples, and see if you can get some response. If nothing happens, and it is a continuing issue, I would suggest creating a phabricator ticket with your examples, and add "@brion" as a positively provocative step to get comment and attention. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so it's not just me. Thanks for checking and for giving me directions. I copied my question to you and asked it on Commons, and was told that it is normal, and to just wait. (I'll do so, but if they aren't updated in a few weeks, I'll ask again.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC) P.S. Sorry, just a final update: I was pointed to the same phabricator case you mentioned. Strange that it still hasn't been fixed. I'll upload slightly changed images later. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-18[edit]

20:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Busted table across page split[edit]

Page:Fancy dresses described, or, What to wear at fancy balls (1887).djvu/11 and Page:Fancy dresses described, or, What to wear at fancy balls (1887).djvu/12

Updated these to add links and the table busted up on the transclusion, The transclusion drops the first row of content from the second transcluded page. Perhaps as you have more experience in resolving obscure glitches you can explain why it broke? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)