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Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here:, I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Tech News: 2015-20[edit]

15:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

WMF Board election[edit]

Hi Billinghurst, I'm looking through the current vote totals for the WMF Board election, and there's all of one editor from the English Wikisource. Is there a way to send messages to the active editors here to have their voices heard? Ed [talk] [en] 08:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@The ed17: Typically editors are interested in doing work, reproducing works, and less so than in the politics. Wikisource:Scriptorium is the central place, and if you think that we should put something for regular edits, then drop a note to WS:AN and suggest something to be added to the announcement component of Special:Watchlist. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-21[edit]

15:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-22[edit]

16:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Whether CC-Zero is sometimes appropriate for old texts[edit]

Hi Billinghurst, I don't feel strongly about this, but here is why I put a CC-Zero tag rather than PD-Old on this text. The 1788 work is of course in the public domain, but to create a version on Wikisource I copied the text from a transcript on an academic site. That version is licenced as CC-Zero, which is why I can copy-and-paste into Wikisource. Part of the point of copying was to make corrections based on checking against other sources, and I'm happy for my edits to also be CC-Zero rather than CC-By-SA. Does this fly as a rationale, or is it only the status of the original publication that matters? Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@MartinPoulter: We publish works as they were in the edition of the publication, warts and all, and we try to produce to a specific version, rather than a conglomeration of editions. If they have a typo, our practice is to leave leave the typo (maybe with a {{SIC}}), if we have an American or an English edition we use the spelling in that edition. You might want to have a poke at Wikisource:Annotations for what we limit ourselves to with inclusions to a work.

For licensing, no one can legitimately republish an 18th century work with a different CC-zero licence as they are not the author(s) of the work. The work had an original copyright protection (or it didn't) and that expired and (at most) 50 years after the author's death would have been PD-old. To note that any minimal corrections to an original would be ineligible for copyright. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. To clear up a misunderstanding, I mean "correction" as in correcting errors in an OCR or partial transcript to reconstruct a single published edition. Creating a specific version rather than a conglomeration of editions is exactly what I thought we were doing.
I'll use PD-old rather than CC-Zero in future. I wasn't sure how to mark typos, but now I know.
Academic projects clearly are creating transcripts with a new licence, whether CC-Zero or a more restrictive licence- one of the reasons Wikisource is such a valuable project. You articulate what I want the law to be as a matter of principle, and what the WMF position is, but is it as clear-cut in law as you suggest? Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 13:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
smileysmileysmiley cc-zero is just lazy where there expectation is that all contributions are new and personal, and they don't want fuss with a 'complicated' system. We are a little finicky and try to be accurate. People can add a more restrictive licence for other people's work, doesn't make it true or accurate; ultimately a court of law is a final arbitrator, it just hardly ever goes that far. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-23[edit]

15:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-24[edit]

15:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi, looks like there might be some confusion over the Balnamore history. See Talk:A social and economic history of Balnamore, 1637 to 1886. from a different User name. There's also been an IP working on the document. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't see that they are different people, maybe different accounts, but same person. Not that I have checked. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-25[edit]

15:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-26[edit]

15:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

It's always great to be welcomed, especially by humans. But being around for years now, it really feels weird to me when my talk page link is red (especially at big wikis! especially after several edits there!). Thank you for fixing this :) --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

smiley Elitre for all your tromping around, I was surprised that it was a red link. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-27[edit]

15:56, 29 June 2015 (UTC)