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Dictionary of National Biography Project
Work: Dictionary of National Biography

TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here:, I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Tech News: 2015-51[edit]

17:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Arthur or Alexander?[edit]

There seems to be some question as to whether Author:Arthur James Mann (1896-1917) is Arthur James "Hamish" Mann or Alexander James "Hamish" Mann. I am finding it both ways in online searches. Do you have access to better service records? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Alexander, same as the father, which will be why he was called Hamish. Moved, and then put info onto the talk page.— billinghurst sDrewth 15:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Ping didn't show up in my alerts, but thank you for the research, and for the link at talk page. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

new versions of images[edit]

Hi Bill. Sorry to disturb you, but I'm curious about one thing. I uploaded new versions of a few images to Commons that are a bit lighter (less dark) than the first ones, but when I transclude them here, the old versions still show up: Page:Vida's Art of Poetry.djvu/8, 12 and 90 – only when I click on the images (to enlarge them) do I see them change to the new versions. Is that normal? When (if ever) will these images be updated on Wikisource? Thx. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It would seem that the issue is thumbnail generation issue and/or caching, and I am not the expert on it, just recognise the issue. I had a similar issue with phabricator:T106516. Let us see if @Bawolff: is paying attention here. Otherwise I would start by asking at Commons VP with your examples, and see if you can get some response. If nothing happens, and it is a continuing issue, I would suggest creating a phabricator ticket with your examples, and add "@brion" as a positively provocative step to get comment and attention. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Okay, so it's not just me. Thanks for checking and for giving me directions. I copied my question to you and asked it on Commons, and was told that it is normal, and to just wait. (I'll do so, but if they aren't updated in a few weeks, I'll ask again.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC) P.S. Sorry, just a final update: I was pointed to the same phabricator case you mentioned. Strange that it still hasn't been fixed. I'll upload slightly changed images later. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-18[edit]

20:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Busted table across page split[edit]

Page:Fancy dresses described, or, What to wear at fancy balls (1887).djvu/11 and Page:Fancy dresses described, or, What to wear at fancy balls (1887).djvu/12

Updated these to add links and the table busted up on the transclusion, The transclusion drops the first row of content from the second transcluded page. Perhaps as you have more experience in resolving obscure glitches you can explain why it broke? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Frederick Henry Hatch[edit]

Hey! Thank you for your help with Author:Frederick Henry Hatch. Do you know if we already have the scan of The geology of South Africa? --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I doubt that we know anything about Hatch or his work. I don't see the work at I see it at Google books though for me not as available text. If you can find it there, you can use the BUB tool to transfer it to — billinghurst sDrewth 00:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
@Tobias1984: Downloadable here. Hrishikes (talk) 02:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Use of admin access in a case of difference of editorial views[edit]

Hi Billinghurst,

It appears to me that at Template:Larger, you used your access as an administrator to implement a solution in line with your editorial choice. Please unprotect the page and ask another administrator to look into it. Jura1 (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

There was mention about your use of the template in a means that was contrary to the function of the template, and there was also discussion about your approach at Template talk:Header. I believe that I returned the template to the community's desired need, not implementing any personal requirement, as your change had already been reverted previously. If you believe that the template should be unprotected them please apply at WS:AN and every admin will be able to see your request. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:40, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Precedents and equal treatment[edit]

Dear B.

Well aware you and I rarely see quite eye-to-eye but on this issue I suspect we are pretty much of one mind. I note and applaud this—8th May action. Might you consider similar in regards to this as well? This is either borderline vandalism or at very least defiance.

Good thing Prosody seems to be on the case. AuFCL (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

It has been Yes check.svg Done by another, and that one would have been even easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:25, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Clues and Help is needed[edit]

Hello Billinghurst, I’m a sysop in Greek Wikisource. I would like to request some help, if you have the time for this. I have noticed that en.wikisource hosts works free in the US even if they are copyrighted in the country of origin. I would like to do the same for Greek Wikisource, but I am afraid to proceed, fearing that Commons policy that demands a work to be free on both US and country of origin is a general Wikimedia policy. Could you please help me or give me references that will help me understanding when and how exceptions are possible? Thank you in advance. Ah3kal (talk) 09:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

@Ah3kal, @John Vandenberg: this policy has been used here longer than I have been around, so its exact development is not one that I have traced. I am presuming that part of the issue is that with English being the main language in a diverse range of countries with significant publishing, and coincidental publishing of English version in the US, that it is somewhat different in nature, especially seeing that the servers are all located within the US, and that is the requisite for copyright law.

For an exact rendition of Wikimedia's approach, you would be better to ping someone like user:Jalexander-WMF or one of the general staff email addresses for guidance on how to review your local policy. I do know that WMF as an organisation has a somewhat differing perspective than the administrators at Commons, so there may be some latitude. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much billinghurst! Ευχαριστώ! Ah3kal (talk) 09:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-19[edit]

23:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Gettysburg Address not 1863?[edit]

No doubt your reasons for removing | year = 1863 here are good; so would you mind sharing them whilst the edit is still fairly freshly in your mind? I only came across this trying to address Category:Headers missing parameters‎‎ so have no reason to change this (although it superficially looks like it probably is an 1863 draft to me.) AuFCL (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Mistake by me. I did a copy of header components while working on others in the category, and obviously misaligned my eyes. Thanks for the prod. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Aya. Diplomacy failure. AuFCL (talk) 05:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Probate and Legacy Duties Act 1808[edit]

Thanks, but the transclusion is all over the place in terms of margins, Not sure why given that I wrote some of the cl-act templates SPECFICALLY so that it didn't screw up in transclusion. Time to convert the entire thing back to {{Outside L}} etc which is KNOWN to have issues?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Now fixed, some missing paramaters were not seemingly entered during proof-reading.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:01, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
I know it is all over the place, but it cannot be fixed until it is in place and issues identified. Getting to it. Template issues do need to be resolved it is heavy with transclusion warnings. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:05, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
TO be fair - {{Cl-act-paragraph}} (and {{Sn-paragraph}}) etc. should probably be re-written as Lua for performance and mantainance reasons. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-20[edit]

16:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Geology of South Africa[edit]

Thank you for helping with Index:South African Geology - Schwarz - 1912.djvu. I just noticed that you are adding missing image templates. I am currently adding the missing images and can probably finish all of them today. I could use some help with some of the tables that are just made of brackets, which I don't know how to style correctly. --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-21[edit]

18:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Gnomish request[edit]

Hi, Billinghurst.

Wikidata won't accept a link to Multilingual Wikisource, so that's actually the only Wikisource Main Page you can't get to by a link from this project's Main Page. Would you mind adding a good, old-fashioned, manual iw link there? (They work; I tested it on my user page. The legend under languages reads "More languages".) I happened to request that about a year ago at Talk:Main Page, but the only edits there since have been spam and reversion of same.

Many thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I added it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I hadn't even realised that we had removed the interwiki there. :-/ As a reflection, any protected page requested edit is always best accompanied by {{editprotected}}, or a request on Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard. So many of the administrivia pages are static or managed globally these days. <shrug> Glad that someone was able to assist quickly. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Noting that with category watching now available additions to Category:Wikisource protected edit requests are more evident. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll note that. (I wouldn't be surprised if either a bot or an enthusiastic editor just swept up the lot of the manual iw links once Wikidata was established.) StevenJ81 (talk) 22:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Looks like forgetfulness looking at the page history, and similar pages. We used to utilise the template {{Interwiki Wikisource}} for those protected pages, and it is probably worthwhile getting them back into play in a range of places as the main page will not be an isolated situation. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:25, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

File:The Life Story of a Viennese Whore, as Told by Herself.pdf[edit]

The "attributed" author of this died in 1945, so I've requested undeletion at Commons (from my alternate account.). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

No need to tell me ahead of time. Admins would only need to know to delete a work if it is present (transwiki'd or undeleted) at Commons, and a speedy deletion request should suffice with adequate reasoning. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)