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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Research_team_editing), I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania[edit]

Note to self and anyone else interested.

Category:Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania should it be a portal too? If yes, we really need a means to autopopulate (minor) portals so we do not have do lots of work in that space.

If it is not, we need to look to adapt {{authority control}} so it can be utilised with arbitrary access to WD so AC can be filled on such a page. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Move template data to WD[edit]

Category:Pages using authority control with parameters has pages with {{authority control}} data that should be housed on the WD page of the item. Look to set to utilise PLbot to move the data to WD, save some queries on its use and set up tracking. Need to be a good lad and set up fully-fledged maintenance pages. Oh for more time! — billinghurst sDrewth 06:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=F4EsAAAAYAAJ import[edit]

import work so we can migrate text French Constitution of 1848

AutoWikiBrowser question...[edit]

Hi Billinghurst,

As you may remember from the far off past, I'm working on Volume 33 of the US Statutes at Large. The private acts section in Volume II contains almost endless repetitions of a specific block of boilerplate text: "Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the Secretary of the Interior be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to place on the pension roll, subject to the provisions and limitations of the pension laws, the name of " etc., etc. Of course, the actual detail of the target text which ultimately needs to be corrected to the above will contain a potentially massively variable number of errors from Tesseract - and of course because of the pagination of the USStat, some of the sidenotes will usually be blended into the body text, further increasing the automation challenge! I have asked on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser if this is a use case which might be appropriate for AutoWikiBrowser, but I thought I would ask you if you had any experience of anyone using AWB on WS, and if so whether (if you know anything about it) you thought it would be appropriate for me to try, and, if so, whose consent I would need? I've also left a question for Tarmstro99 on his talk page about whether his bot would be an appropriate alternative means of trudging through this boilerplate, but I think he must be on vacation. Conceptually, I still think that Tesseract should be the right place to do this, but that is way beyond my capacity!!! Thanks CharlesSpencer (talk) 09:49, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Page watcher jumping in. I have used AWB for a number of almost identical tasks on this very project. In my experience, the best thing to do is to go through a few dozen titles and load up a list of the most common transcription errors, and run that for the entire index. Cheers! BD2412 T 13:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
If you have a standard set of text on many pages, I would recommend that we template it. Then we can extract that text with a regex and add the template. Just makes the whol proofreading so much easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Indeed! That would actually be useful across tens of thousands of pages, since the language at issue is not restricted to this volume. I did a test run of typo fixes with AWB, made 962 edits and barely dented the majority of scannos. BD2412 T 16:22, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I wrote a template (Template:USStatPension) back in 2010 with your valuable assistance, Billinghurst, and that of George Orwell III, but it's almost as time consuming to use as editing it by hand (with the obvious exception of the numbered section tagging, which the template does do very well). I was looking for a more brute force means of ploughing automatically through hundreds of pages... I suppose what I'm saying is that I would be far happier if the manual intervention was retyping the names of the individual pensioners than if it were manually picking bits of mangled sidenote out of the preceding boilerplate. CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:41, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I had a little time today to have a look, rather than just answer out of my (...). Standard AWB is not the answer here as it relies on the internal text, or the right anchors to know the internal text; it may work with an AWB module but you would need someone to build such. If you are saying that you can look at the pages, and take out the variable text for the page, then it is almost something that you can do within a spreadsheet in a columnar form,
scan_page Page_no. Name field1 field2 ...
then inject the template components into the regular intervening points between the columns, then get a bot to take components in order line by line or something interpret and apply per scan_page. For something like that we might be better prodding user:Mpaa for a proper bot. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Fantastic! Thank you for looking into it. I had once considered trying to go offline completely and use mail merge through Word and Excel to solve the problem, so I know exactly what you mean, and that is definitely doable from a data extraction point of view. I suspect that chapters broken across pages will still pose a manual problem, but that would be a tiny element compared to the bulk of the chapters being ploughed through by a bot. Let me check in with user:Mpaa and see if he can help. Thanks again CharlesSpencer (talk) 15:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
User:CharlesSpencer, let me know if you need help.— Mpaa (talk) 16:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Mpaa, as soon as I've got a good dataset assembled in Excel, I'll be in touch. Might be a while, though, I'm afraid! Thanks. CharlesSpencer (talk) 06:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-30[edit]

15:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Collaboration products newsletter: 2017-07[edit]

16:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvu[edit]

Firstly, My apologies for an over-reaction to your comments elsewhere.

Moving on, I found that this was one of the first works I contributed to on English Wikisource and was therefore wanting some feedback on how to bring it up to the best standard possible. In reviewing it carefully I am STILL finding some f vs long-s, I'd missed on at least 2 passes, and so am intending to give it a 3rd.

You had validated a page in this work at some point, so I thought I would ask if you were planning on returning to it at some point? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-31[edit]

21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Re deleted author page[edit]

Hi. The It's a beautiful day story was released under a CC license. It was deleted here because its Spanish counterpart was deleted, but it has since been restored (for several months now). I think it should be restored along with the corresponding author page. I'm sorry if this causes any inconvenience, I don't mean to cause any. --201.215.141.30 02:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The work was deleted as non-notable, not due to any other deletion. The place for the discussion about the work is WS:PD. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Page:The Cutter's Practical Guide 1898 Edition Part 1.djvu/28[edit]

Thanks for re-reading this. I'd been using {{frac}} for consistency of appearance across the whole work in respect of fractions that didn't have a unicode point.

If you feel this isn't a major issue, is there a script for "regularising" fractions across an entire work? {{frac}} was used extensively in this one, and I had not been changing it.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

If you want, it is possible. I am unsure about doing it, I have read some concerns on rendering of unicode fractions vs. other methods.— Mpaa (talk) 20:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
@Mpaa: why would do some creation of something that may look like something, rather than utilise the actual characters, per Wikisource:Style manual. If we take that path where do we stop? Isn't rendering a browser issue? If you do a copy and paste you get 1⁄3 not ⅓ which is essentially changing the context of the work. That is not a proper transcription. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:11, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I was just concerned about readability, people read what is rendered. Maybe there is no issue at all with support of these characters in browsers/fonts/devices. As far as copy paste, 1/3 or ⅓ it is always 0.3333... to me. Anyhow, no big deal. If one wants to replace, I can attempt something, sticking to this: http://unicodefractions.com/.— Mpaa (talk) 08:02, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
My point was that it is 3 characters, not the one. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:33, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Page:Dictionary of National Biography volume 40.djvu/22[edit]

This page had a red-linked {{GFRB}} template, which I updated to {{DNB GFRB}}, I hope this was acceptable, as I saw the relevant page in a query I had to find typo templates. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-32[edit]

21:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-33[edit]

23:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Centering images for mobile view[edit]

Is using <center> the best/only current method for correct mobile rendering of centered images? Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Just wondering why you would say that rather than use the image position component wiki style [[File:Example.jpg|center]], unless needing to style within a table due to surrounding text. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:56, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Example.jpg|center]] does not render as centered in mobile view. [28] Londonjackbooks (talk) 09:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Correction: does not usually render as centered in mobile view. The image in Meynell's Preludes title page is centered (but line spacing is off); the rest of the images within the text are displayed left in mobile view. Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Gotcha. There is a whole lot going wrong in mobile view with images and tables having centering removed. Best that it goes back to the community and if the community is not liking it then probably then through phabricator as something addressed to those developers of the skins. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Anything I can do? keeping in mind my limited knowledge of magic? Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I think that you can do it perfectly. Describe the two situations, and the problem with the mobile view from a visual perspective, and what you would like the solution to be. No requirement to get into the technical components. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to go on, but where should I bring it up? Scriptorium? I will try to address it tomorrow morning. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)