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Note to self (export)[edit]

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billinghurst sDrewth 14:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


  • When building Tables of contents and Lists of Illustrations, the title components need to be included within the table |+ ... as otherwise they page break after the title before table, d'oh!
  • asked Tpt about the attribution page, and how to edit, and to correct a typo
  • epubreader (reasonable in browser app for FF)

TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]


...for opposing my global ban. I dare say I was very much impressed by your actions – I had changed my estimation of you after you blocked me at Meta, but maybe I was wrong. Your actions in this sad case were very considerate, kind and (I think) upstanding. I'll try not to disappoint. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Mate, I try to play fair, not pre-judge, and try very hard to remember that while there is a sum of parts with the WMF community, each community is still self-managing and able to develop its own character. This community has some examples of people with reputations from other sites proving to be valuable community members, such communities can be trusted to make wise decisions. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-07[edit]

09:30, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your help at Author:Rick Alan Ross, much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-08[edit]

08:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-09[edit]

10:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Vale Ig2000[edit]

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billinghurst sDrewth 12:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-10[edit]

09:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Wondering why you disagree with the making of a redirect to the poem, Shakspeare (alt. spelling); I realize that there is already a redirect by the name of Shakespeare (Arnold) for the same purpose (and to the same version/link), but the spelling of the indexed poem is still "Shakspeare" in the text, and I felt it deserved representation in case someone used the search bar for that particular spelling of the name/poem. Further thoughts? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

The alternative is appended with the name of the author. People going to enWS typing "Shakspeare" are not expecting to be directed to that page, and we are better to have them hit the search results and to see Author:William Shakespeare. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
How about adding a Shakspeare (Arnold) redirect to the mix? Unnecessary? I have seen the spelling both ways in Arnold's collections. Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
If it is a work known as "Shakspeare" the the disambiguation by the addition of (Arnold) would be fine, the thing is it likely that people will type it when looking. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-11[edit]

09:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Index:Heralds of God.djvu[edit]

This would seem to be a copyvio - The author was still alive in 1990, and the original is listed as a 1946 publication by Hodder and Stoughton in the UK. The scans have been flagged for deletion at Commons on the basis that whilst the edition might be OK the work isn't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Moved the file here. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Indian Biographical Dictionary[edit]

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OTRS check[edit]

Response at Talk:Second address to Houses of the Oireachtas by Mary Robinson Jeepday (talk) 11:46, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Your daily dose of spam[edit]

Ask and ye shall receive. This one doesn't have an external link (yet), though... User:Vern4641skksmreClockery Fairfeld [t·c] 17:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thx. Lucky whn my day has less than 50. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:09, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Dose #2. User talk:Gaga121Clockery Fairfeld [t] 15:48, 26 March 2014 (UTC) Nevermind, Prosody has already taken care of it. Thanks,—Clockery Fairfeld [t] 04:58, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-12[edit]

07:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The Fate of Fenella[edit]

Hi, how come this page hasn't been validated yet? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 22:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't sweat these things, they get done. It (is|was)n't going anywhere, the remainder of the work still stands before us. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
How about this one? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 01:15, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Goodness, which bit of the previous comment didn't make sense. Don't panic, all will be well. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:20, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
@Lo Ximiendo: all done — billinghurst sDrewth 15:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


Very sorry for the revert--slip of the tongue finger! Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld [t·c] 15:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

How do I expand the original images?[edit]

I would like to validate these pages but the print on the original page is too small to read. How do I expand it? Using "Ctrl+" expands print in the editing window, not the original text image. Cheers! Shir-El too 19:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

@Shir-El too: In your toolbar (vector or monobook) there are buttons to +/- the image size. If you have your toolbar turned off, then you should turn it on in your Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. — billinghurst sDrewth 20:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks. My toolbar was activated. Haven't a clue what "vector or monobook" are, but I found a way to work by opening two windows, one for the edit and one for the image.
Now another problem: am validating "St. Oswald and the Church of Worcester" and on page 26, line 7 there is this "...vocabulo aet Breodune ...". The last proofreader left it as "at." I think it should be "et" unless there's a character for the Latin joined "a+e". {Will copy this note into the comments as well.} Cheers! Shir-El too 09:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Eurika! Someone used "æ" later on and I'm copying it! Cheers!
@Shir-El too: No need to copy-paste it, it's there on the toolbar--go to Special Characters, and look in the last few rows of the Latin tab. Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld [t·c] 10:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
the Latin æt = years and the last proofreader was clearly some ninkampoop! It is one of my works ;-) And if you are using windows hold down altkey and while typing on num keypad 0230, then release and voila! The ae ligature is a regular show in 19thC works, and is a useful shortcut, as well as é (alt-0233). — billinghurst sDrewth 13:36, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-13[edit]

18:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Obliterating previous claim(s) to authorities.[edit]

Please consider using {{authority control|$1}} instead of {{authority control}} when replacing a pre-existing set of imports/additions to this template. It does not interfere in anyway with any data "collection" or rendering and the like, but actually helps matters by proving some sense of an "anchor" for robot/gadget/crawl utilization.

Think of this as the last {{{ }}} in a string of {{{ | {{{ | {{{ | }}} | }}} }}} 's but with no " | " in the last one & the resulting behavior it causes. Thanks. -- George Orwell III (talk)

That is an unnecessary level of complication. If it needs it, then code it. Trying to and needing to explain its use in that way seems nonsensical. Let us keep it simple.— billinghurst sDrewth 08:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Deleting the pre-existing, human applied info is driving the need for this so-called complication, not I, so please reconsider taking that approach. The amount of "work" needed to accomplish the same effect code-wise & on-the fly is a galactic waste of time and energy. The next incarnation will soon be upon us (see Module:WikidataF ) and "we" are already throwing away huge amounts of localized research just for the sake of what only appears to be 2nd phase progress.

Just tell me where/which script/toolbar you are loading this parameter-less template from and I will modify it for you. Nice and simple. It will most likely be obsolete in a week or two to boot! -- George Orwell III (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

What is your issue today? Obliterating, deleting, complication ... can you please move away from the rhetorical to any specific issues and problems that are caused by my editing. From what I am seeing the pages that I leave have more or the same data and links, ie. no loss of functionality. All the data and more is now in Wikidata, and it gets there by a human. Nothing is thrown away. Your statements about localised links doesn't address the issue of link loss when pages are moved, deleted relocated at the other wikis, so that is a specious argument. This is all about making things as simple as possible, and with minimal maintenance. Ideally we should be completely removing the visible aspects of the sister links which can be managed by WD, and data pull. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
You've changed the point to somehow make this "my issue" because of "my words" when you are the one actually removing stuff that you claim won't matter either-way, nor make any difference at-the-end-of-the-day, so I kind of know where continuing any of this is going to go already (nowhere fast). I give up. retract my request(s) Delete away.

One thing I must insist you try the next time you need to expand or move an Author: page however; plz locate the 'Wikisource: #######' entry in the existing AuthCont template bar and copy down the URL linkage & number-string within it before you "actually" move anything. Of course, verify the link actually works while you are at it. Finally, check the same URL link and associated-ID aspects after you make your move(s). Before & after should be exactly the same & clicking on it should take you to the same page too. Nobody had to amend or detect anything to accomplish that. Would that have been simple enough for you?

Try to have a good day there anyway Mr. Lost-Links. :) George Orwell III (talk) 13:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

formatting Q[edit]

Why isn't {{Right|And}} working here? ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be pushing up against the noinclude tag; and pushing in a line return fixes the issue. Don't know why it has popped up as an issue at this time … at least there is a solution. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Here, is it considered acceptable to simply type "For", instead of "Eor"? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

And another question: here you used {{block center}}, but if I do the same in the next page, a break (line) that shouldn't be there interrupts/divides the verses. [You can see the problem here (Ctrl+F "Muse's charms").] How to fix it? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

{{block center/s}} which is explained on the same page. There are numbers of opening and closing templates where we need to wrap around a page break. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Cool, thanks again. ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-14[edit]

09:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

ref inside ref[edit]

How to make the second ref appear here, after "everlasting course"? ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Inelegant, though it works. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:00, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, looks good. ~ DanielTom (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Please revert if too ugly; but I've taken the liberty of further editing the page to demonstrate an "old-fashioned" approach to nesting references. I believe {{#tag:ref}} used in this fashion co-exists O.K. with <ref>s on adjacent pages. Regrettably only the very innermost reference may use an actual <ref>-</ref> pair, but multiple "wrapping" citation layers are acceptable. AuFCL (talk) 12:35, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
@AuFCL: seems to work well, thanks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Bill, I'm not sure why you made a duplicate of the note /315 here, so I've now removed it, but please do restore it if necessary. (I'm also curious to know, why in the same page [/318], the break starting at "Here poetry..." doesn't appear.) Thx ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe ask before you remove. It was added due to the {{note}} being a hack, and it was the way to get the text to show in the transclusion. If the nested <ref> is working for you, then it is superfluous. In your refs, you are going to need to put in either <br/> or <p> to get your formatting. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Best practice[edit]

Minor question, but what is the best practice?

[[Author:Katharine Lee Bates|{{sc|Katharine Lee Bates}}]] or {{sc|[[Author:Katharine Lee Bates|Katharine Lee Bates]]}}? Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I always try to keep the formatting outside where possible, it keeps it simpler, and allows for reuse (IMNSHO), and if there is any bot work to do, it makes matching easier.
Thank you. Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Outside enables use of the pipe trick too. {{sc|[[Author:Katharine Lee Bates|]]}}. Moondyne (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-15[edit]

08:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-16[edit]

07:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)