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Wikisource has a number of active Wikiprojects that could use your help in tackling these large additions to our library. Law Project Work: Wikisource:WikiProject Law

TO DO — DNB footer initials

• Update docs Done
• Look to manage new, eg. {{DNB HMS-r}}
• Work on 1912, check completeness of 1901
• HWP duplicates and will need disambiguating Author:Hugh Wodehouse Pearse // Author:Herbert Woodfield Paul

— billinghurst sDrewth 12:42, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania

Note to self and anyone else interested.

Category:Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania should it be a portal too? If yes, we really need a means to autopopulate (minor) portals so we do not have do lots of work in that space.

If it is not, we need to look to adapt {{authority control}} so it can be utilised with arbitrary access to WD so AC can be filled on such a page. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Move template data to WD

Category:Pages using authority control with parameters has pages with {{authority control}} data that should be housed on the WD page of the item. Look to set to utilise PLbot to move the data to WD, save some queries on its use and set up tracking. Need to be a good lad and set up fully-fledged maintenance pages. Oh for more time! — billinghurst sDrewth 06:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=F4EsAAAAYAAJ import

import work so we can migrate text French Constitution of 1848 — billinghurst sDrewth 12:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Done — billinghurst sDrewth 09:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

To review

• Category:EB9:Authors outside of how the community determined that we would develop pages. [plonk for later]
• Template:NSRW-signature style of attribution not used, by consensus of community — time to update

— billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

header WP links and the use of main subject at WD

have a check to see that where we have (encyclopaedic) pages in main namespace that link wikipedia = through header, that these items at wikidata may or may not have "main subject" wikilink. Can or should we be pulling that link via WD to manage deleted and moved items, and also be prepared for any item that has a future wp link. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Authors with missing death dates -> Category:Authors without death dates

explore making this change. They are not missing if they are not dead, so we should cater for both scenarios without confusing things. Only would be missing of the person is alive 130 years after death. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Contributing translator -> header template

(parking) See if we should plug in a parameter so something like Popular Science Monthly/Volume 3/September 1873/Hypnotism in Animals I can properly represent the translator. Otherwise we can have it as a note as we do for {{illustrator}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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16:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata entry for subpages

The Empire and the century/The Indian Army has a separate entry in wikidata. Can we follow similar method for the other books in English wikisource. Are there are any limitations.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 11:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, if pertinent. The guidance for WD and how we do books and editions at d:Wikidata:WikiProject Books. If the parts of a work have a separate subjects, then you can link appropriately. For the 63 volumes of the DNB we have done each of the biographies. One wouldn't do it for novels, though you could do it for poetry. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much sir.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Can we create subpages for each of the Convocation addresses in Convocation Addresses of the Universities of Bombay and Madras. Can you create one entry there and help. Thank you.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes we can. Creating the items for the parts is the last component. You need to ensure that the author pages exist and are linked, and the parent edition exists. I also use the "Add Wikidata..." gadget through the article link. I cannot help tonight, too late for me to focus there. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I have created entries in Wikidata: [8] and [9]. Are they accurate.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 07:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

null edits

Pages in this index needs to be null-edited, but they are fully protected. Any hints? Ankry (talk) 05:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ankry: no longer protected — billinghurst sDrewth 06:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Pages (eg. Page:GeorgeTCoker.djvu/1) are still protected. Ankry (talk) 07:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I have touched all the pages, it is easier to do that then to remove protection. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

That should also be OK. Unfortunately not all. See the list (at the bottom). However, no hurry; I'll prepare coplete list when bot finishes. Ankry (talk) 19:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

It was late, I had removed the protection from those, and then I decided to just kick the remainder. All done now. I just kicked those Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:GeorgeTCoker.djvu — billinghurst sDrewth 03:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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• There will be an A/B test on the Wikipedia mobile website. It starts this week. It tests how we show templates that show information about an article. The test will last two weeks. [12][13]
• You can now use different CSS rules for different skins when you edit templates. This is because of TemplateStyles. [14]
• wp10 in ORES is now called articlequality. [15]
• When you get a new message on your talk page you get a yellow message in the toolbar. The preference to show or not show this has been removed. [16]

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• UploadWizard had problems with campaigns. Users could not upload files. This has now been fixed. [17]
• You can get a notification when a link is made to a page you created. This has not worked since June. It was fixed last week. [18]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 September. It will be on all wikis from 6 September (calendar).

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• The Wikimedia Foundation Readers department will work on advanced mobile editing. You can read more about this and other things they plan to work on over the next year. You can also see the presentation.
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• Unused projects on the Wikimedia Cloud virtual private server will be removed. This will happen in October. Projects can be marked if they are being used. [19]

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16:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

fancy styled single pages not allowed

I made an informed decision to use the fancy styled pages when there was more than one page but not when there is only one page or less, until such time as a method is established to suppress the overcooked css.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 09:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Or you can just follow the community's determined and accepted style manual, and the css can work itself out in the wash. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

My favorite soap opera on television was actually a commercial for coffee. It got dropped because they did not actually sell coffee as much as they were simply entertaining.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Expand name

Did you mean for this to be moved to Thomas Michael Kettle? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

One would think so. Fixed. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thought maybe, but didn't want to presume in case you knew something I didn't (which is always a possibility). Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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• When you added or edited a template with the visual editor the input boxes were very big. This has been fixed. The input boxes will now be smaller until you click on them. Then they will change size to fit the text. [20]

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• Some diffs showed lines in the wrong order. This was fixed last week. [21]
• Marking a cross-wiki notification as read didn't work every time. The other wiki was not updated. This has now been fixed. [22]
• <maplink> did not work for a few days. This was because of a bug. This has now been fixed. [23]
• {{subst:REVISIONUSER}} is used by some templates. For a period edits saved with {{subst:REVISIONUSER}} would save the previous user's name and not your username. This is now fixed. Edits made before the bug was fixed will still be wrong and need to be corrected. [24]
• When you move a page the title still shows the old page name. The developers are working on fixing this. [25]

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• Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour. You can read more about this.
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22:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

To do (link template)

{{Once a Week link}}: needs /Series n/Volume n

Source needs a master wikidata template that can be used from templates within.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Templating from Wikidata is unfortunately a retroactive task. We cannot even get all of our works added, so it is not yet reliable. With all the fields in the template completed, we have the opportunity to possibly extract data into WD, and populate that way. Who knows, we may get there one day. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

The People of India

I have started creating the chapter pages in this multivolume work. The People of India/Sonthals. Is it O.K. Please check for any errors.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 06:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Looks okay, though not knowing the work is disadvantageous. You may wish to consider asking the community at WS:S as someone with a little more time can probably assist better.

You may wish to consider how you wish to capture and represent volume information. You can do it by introducing an extra layer in your hierarchy, or simply by labelling, either showing it in the title lime, or simply having a regular set of text in the notes field. The are pros and cons with both methods. Representing that information is important. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Related changes

Do you know of a way to generate a list of, say, two-hundred most recent changes to an Index? Similar to related changes, but without being limited to the last 30 days... which is not always a helpful tool if an Index hasn't been worked on in a while and one wishes to view latest activity regardless of how long ago it was last worked on. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:32, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Related changes is just souped up recent changes so has all those limitations. From the api, should be able to generate a list of pages with using the prefixindex as a generator and list them by last edited date, or get a mysql query. What exactly are you trying to determine or generate? — billinghurst sDrewth 13:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

There have been times in the past where I have not worked on an Index for some time. For example, Poems that Every Child Should Know. In the interest of keeping formatting consistent, I would like to know if any pages (not on my watchlist; or, on my watchlist that I may have missed) in the Index of any given work were edited by other contributors since I worked on it last. You will have to explain to me what everything you wrote from "api" to "mysql" means ;) No hurry if it is late. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

If you are looking for pages that you can further proofread, then I recommend that you use the gadget that red rings pages. w:API (mw:API:Main page)and w:MySQL; (wikitech:Help:MySQL queries); Special:Prefixindex — billinghurst sDrewth 14:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Nope. Detecting unproofread pages is obvious just by visiting the Index page. I am looking for pages that have already been edited (but not by me) since I last worked on a given Index. Thanks for the links though. I will explore those. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

You misunderstand. There is a gadget (Pages I can validate ...); use that, it will work for proofread pages as you desire. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:04, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Once I locate that gadget (I may be back!), will it also work for pages I proofread (past tense) that others have edited since then (validated or not)? My intent is to check for changes to formatting. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

It is called "pages I can validate", so it knows the editor and the person who marked as proofread. It is a 30 sec. tweak. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I see, it is in my Preferences. Of course, I overthought things, like I would have to tweak my .js page or something... I stumbled across the following conversation (and a couple other related conversations), and was wondering if it may be something relevant to what I am looking to do? Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

All iterations. It was zoom-speeded earlier this year, and I am not sure where Hesperian's version is sitting. Personally I find it works fine as is. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Still not finding the gadget ideal (for my purposes). A generated list of edits by date would be better. It would give better direction by revealing edit summaries—giving better insight into editing behavior if someone has come along making changes to formatting &c. If no such tool currently exists, it should :) I'll keep thinking. Thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Pondering changes to page transclusion and scripts

When you have the time (no hurry), I would appreciate your thoughts on the conclusions I draw in the (long and rambling, sorry) thread here: WS:S#Page numbers borked with hyphenated words.

Long story short: the use of empty inline elements (span) to mark page transitions when works are transcluded to mainspace triggers bugs in Safari, Chrome, and Firefox (not tested in IE). To avoid this I am considering making a proposal (up in the relevant section of WS:S) to add a w:zero-width space character (​) to the existing code in MediaWiki:Proofreadpage pagenum template.

I would also appreciate your thoughts on the viability, desirability, and possible approaches for splitting page numbering and layouts into separate scripts, and Gadget-ifying both, for MediaWiki:PageNumbers.js (I left some half-chewed thoughts on its talk page too).

These all seem like good ideas and doable to me, but I am not confident of my ability to accurately assess them, and so would appreciate your thoughts before attempting to pursue them further. But, as mentioned, no hurry (I know you're busy); I just didn't want it to get archived off WS:S and forgotten. Regards, --Xover (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't use {{hws}} as I only find it useful to educate newbies, but otherwise pointless, and instead I just add the hyphenated text to the footer. Adding artificial spaces doesn't seem the ideal solution for something that is just meant to do nothing in the main namespace. Noting that the span element is only to allow the decorative hover text, in the Page: namespace, we would just be better of to run the occasional bot through and move _{{hws|... downstream of the noinclude that forms the footer. Simplest solution is to just kill the span tags. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

{{hws}}, though that's where the adventure started, turned out to be a red herring. Anything that affects the number of whitespace characters before or after a page transition can potentially trigger these bugs. And even apart from these specific bugs, empty inline elements are known to be quite quirky and poorly specified: it would be a good idea in general to avoid relying on them for anything.

I don't understand your argument that the span tags should best be removed: without them there is no page marker and MediaWiki:PageNumbers.js cannot work? --Xover (talk) 07:20, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

to delete (later)

Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 1
Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 2
Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 3
Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 4
Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 5
Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 12/Article 6

after resolution of issue.— billinghurst sDrewth 23:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Done — billinghurst sDrewth 22:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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• The Wikimedia Commons mobile app has a new version. Images uploaded using Nearby are now automatically added to the associated Wikidata item. You can browse other images on Commons. You can see your achievements and your upload statistics. It has also fixed some bugs. [26]
• MediaWiki web requests now have a time limit of 60 seconds for GET requests and 200 seconds for POST requests. [27]

Problems

• You could not see the menu on the notifications page on the mobile version. This has now been fixed. [28]

Changes later this week

• Special:AncientPages can hide disambiguation pages. [29]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 September. It will be on all wikis from 20 September (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 19 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The developers are testing new mobile web navigation. You can use it and give feedback.

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21:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)