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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

Consistency: Collective work link[edit]

In {{Collective work link}}, I am wondering what you found inconsistent about the period. Many times I and others put comments after the citation, and they look a little awkward now without the period. See, for example, William Wallace. I think that template had a period for an awful long time, and I would appreciate it if it could be restored. Library Guy (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Author pages have generally not had the use of terminating periods, hence there was inconsistency. I have added a comment field to {{EB1911 link}} and this will add your terminating period when you have an additional comment. I will run my bot through and grab all comments into the templates. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Library Guy (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I have seen two styles in author page citations. There is the style that terminates with a year in parentheses (no period). There is another style that imitates the "Cite" style in Wikipedia, which does terminate with a period. I still can see no basis for your claim. Library Guy (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
That you have found inconsistency does not surprise me. We fix as we go. If you can identify other templates that need fixing then please identify them to me. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:46, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-05[edit]

16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-06[edit]

16:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-07[edit]

16:26, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for the style guide. That's exactly the page I needed. Still very new here. Thanks again. - Beelerb (talk) 13:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Spaces before ellipses[edit]

Hello. Administrator Beeswaxcandle, who validated many pages of the book I’ve worked on, adds a space before every …, while You don’t. You have to reach some agreement in order not to make book look unarranged. Nonexyst (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I've set them with spaces because they are breaks in thought, rather than representing omitted words. Ellipses of omission should be unspaced, those for breaks of thought should be spaced as in the original text. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:40, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
It is consistent throughout the book now.--Mpaa (talk) 19:45, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-08[edit]

17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

I appreciate the welcome. One question, if you don't mind, at your leisure: I feel I'd most like to do (and be best at) is doing raw transcription. But it's unclear to me whether there's a central place for this, or whether perhaps 99% of works are being OCRed in at this point.

Additionally, I see some incomplete works that aren't set up in the color-coded system, and am unsure what to make of that.

What areas do you think would benefit most from gruntwork from a rookie? I'd be happy to pitch in. (I don't feel I know enough, yet, to really jump into dealing with DjVu, creating index pages, etc. at this point...) Woodshed (talk) 06:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@Woodshed: Usually best place for a newbie to see what and how we do things is Wikisource:Proofread of the Month and tag along with our shared work. If you are looking at typing works for yourself, then we have the US NARA records, or you could look to do some validation on proofread once works, eg. Category:Index proofread. We want to find works that suit your interests, so maybe you can give some indication of what are your interests then we can point you in the right direction or work with them. Again welcome, great to have you on board. To also note that we have a community that is willing to assist, and WS:S and WS:Scriptorium/Help are very responsive. [@Beeswaxcandle, Ineuw, William Maury Morris: you might have some ability to assist or suggest.] — billinghurst sDrewth 13:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Upload fails[edit]

Hello. I thought I'd give uploading this document a go, but only managed to produce the Google project page. Any chance you could give me a hand with it? All the best --Andreas Philopater (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

@Andreas Philopater: Personally I would check first, as they often have better quality scans already ready to go. Otherwise to do it manually you would have to download the pdf, then upload to commons. There is a tool setup to make it easier and you can find and access it at toollabs:bub/, it may take a little longer, that doing it manually. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I had checked, but I'll look into the tool. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 10:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@Andreas Philopater: Yes check.svg Done : Index:The Political State of Europe for the Year MDCCXCII.djvu Hrishikes (talk) 07:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons update[edit]


After a delay in updates to the Structured data on Commons project, I wanted to catch you up with what has been going on over the past three months. In short: The project is on hold, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The meeting in Berlin in October provided the engineering teams with a lot to start on. Unfortunately the Structured Data on Commons project was put on hold not too long after this meeting. Development of the actual Structured data system for Commons will not begin until more resources can be allocated to it.

The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Germany have been working to improve the Wikidata query process on the back-end. This is designed to be a production-grade replacement of WikidataQuery integrated with search. The full project is described at will benefit the structured data project greatly since developing a high-level search for Commons is a desired goal of this project.

The Wikidata development team is working on the arbitrary access feature. Currently it's only possible to access items that are connected to the current page. So for example on Vincent van Gogh you can access the statements on Q5582, but you can't access these statements on Category:Vincent van Gogh or Creator:Vincent van Gogh. With arbitrary access enabled on Commons we no longer have this limitation. This opens up the possibility to use Wikidata data on Creator, Institution, Authority control and other templates instead of duplicating the data (what we do now). This will greatly enhance the usefulness of Wikidata for Commons.

To use the full potential of arbitrary access the Commons community needs to reimplement several templates in LUA. In LUA it's possible to use the local fields and fallback to Wikidata if it's not locally available. Help with this conversion is greatly appreciated. The different tasks are tracked in phabricator, see .

Volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata. Sometimes an institution website is used and sometimes data is being transfered from Commons to Wikidata. Wikidata now has almost 35.000 items about paintings. This is done as part of the WikiProject sum of all paintings. This helps us to learn how to d:Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structuremodel and refine metadata about artworks. Experience that will of course be very useful for Commons too.

Additionally, the metadata cleanup drive continues to produce results. The drive, which is intended to identify files missing {{information}} or the like structured data fields and to add such fields when absent, has reduced the number of files missing information by almost 100,000 on Commons. You can help by looking for files with similarly-formatted description pages, and listing them at Commons:Bots/Work requests so that a bot can add the {{information}} template on them.

At the Amsterdam Hackathon in November 2014, a couple of different models were developed about how artwork can be viewed on the web using structured data from Wikidata. You can browse two examples here and here. These examples can give you an idea of the kind of data that file pages have the potential to display on-wiki in the future.

The Structured Data project is a long-term one, and the volunteers and staff will continue working together to provide the structure and support in the back-end toward front-end development. There are still many things to do to help advance the project, and I hope to have more news for you in the near future. Contact me any time with questions, comments, concerns.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Userpage deletion[edit]

Hello. Could you please delete my userpage (for GlobalUserPage's display)? Thanks. Hausratte (talk) 22:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 07:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Global user pages and our local PotM awards[edit]

Hi, any thoughts on how we should manage the PotM awards in conjunction with the new Global user pages that people seem to be rushing towards? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't have an immediate answer to how the local community can keep adding the Proofread of the Month award to user pages in conjunction with a global user page. /me prods @Legoktm: to see if he has had any thoughts about this, and not sure that it entered into his considerations when he did the design. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Billinghurst, can you remember who suggested the "awards" for works done? In the background there was a historical reminder of why Napoleon gave out so many medals. —Maury (talk) 16:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
They weren't suggested, I just did them. They are a celebration for participation back when PotM was not enjoying wide participation. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:18, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I remember that one of Napoleon's staff officers asked Napoleon why he gave out so many medals. In reply, Napoleon stated that one medal was worth 10,000 fighting men. The reason was each man would seek out a Napoleonic medal--or several of them. Thus their obedience, hopes for higher rank and/or pay, risks, -- all possible endeavors were increased. —Maury (talk) 10:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Task (publishers)[edit]

Sql query to look at publisher fields of works in the Index: ns to see what we can and should link to portal namespace. Also to look at the progression of companies through iterations of name histories. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Blocked IP[edit]

Hi, I see you recently blocked, without permitting logged-in users to get around the block, with the reason "crosswiki lta." This range (or at least my part of it) is the U.S. cell phone provider T-Mobile. So it presumably includes a huge number of users. Any issue with changing it to permit edits from logged-in users? I don't know how bad the abuse was, but it seems natural to expect a great deal of abuse from a major ISP - along with a (hopefully much) greater deal of beneficial contribution. Thoughts? -Pete (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: There were no users in the range bar our vandal. The issue with anonymous only is that this user creates accounts on other wikis then comes to vandalise. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Please understand, I'm not criticizing your decision, just trying to offer up new information. I have certainly made non-vandalism edits from that service, under my account, but it's possible T-Mobile has switched its IP ranges around since I did. T-Mobile is one of the four major mobile phone service providers in the USA, and with many phones and tablets offers free tethering -- I know people who have given up their home Internet in favor of tethering to their phones. Also, there are recently expanded editing capabilities in WMF mobile apps. With all this in mind, it seems worthwhile to consider lifting the block for logged-in users; I realize that I can't see the scale of the vandalism, so I am not as confident in my conclusion as I could be, but I just want to be sure you have all relevant info available, and I hope you'll reconsider. -Pete (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Any comments? This continues to prevent me from working in some circumstances (but my main concern is not for myself, but for others in this IP range who might find it impossible to get started with Wikisource). -Pete (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-09[edit]

16:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-10[edit]

16:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

This month's PotM[edit]

Hi, just a heads-up that I'm going to need help with the list of contributors for this month's PotM because of mass AWB use by BD2412. I can only see the last 500 related edits and as s/he's made >1000 edits I don't know who else has been editing. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

March POTM? — billinghurst sDrewth 12:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Which BTW in many cases could be optimized in a single edit ... I think in some cases, the use of AWB by BD2412 could be optimised, to say the least. --Mpaa (talk) 18:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, March is what I meant. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@Mpaa: Yes, we should inform him of having a crat to have the flood flag switched on and off on his request. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what all of the above is about but I will state that I work on PotM every month and more times than just once on each of them. I also backtrack to the previous month if that is not completed. I believe that there should be a required 5-10 edits for everyone on each PotM/ I don't know if each edit can be counted? Not long ago I think we were getting several edits/person but then the statement came out that even 1 edit was enough. I don't think that is good enough and that it has slowed us down in completed PotM/s. Increase the # of edits required. If the number of edits can be counted individually then it should be done and perhaps have a different "award" indicating the # of edits. It creates competition. This is just a basic suggestion, no big deal over it other than increasing works completed. —Maury (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
    Nothing to worry about Maury, it is just the tool that we use to get data is swamped by someone using AWB to do a series of text replacements, such that we need an alternate tool. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
@Beeswaxcandle: and billinghurst, I tried this query, in case it might help you. Would you mind to see if result make some sense for the past month?--Mpaa (talk) 23:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
@Mpaa: Yes, that makes sense as the source query, and from that I think that we should pair to that, a query to output a simple list of distinct users to make life easy. Ultimately, we can get really lazy. Prepare a list of works, set a start date, and get a distinct list of users, and that will get us through the Page: ns list, voila an output each month. There is plenty of good stuff we can get stats-wise too that can generate a narrative around PotM, though that discussion may be better on WT:Proofread of the Month. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Yep, looks useful and the users match the list I've manually created. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@AuFCL: has improved it further, see my talk page. I think is a tas that could be automated for WS-bot and a cron job.--Mpaa (talk) 10:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Had to delete the Margaret Thatcher piece[edit]

A while ago, you deleted a page I created citing that I was allegedly breaking the copyright of the MT foundation. I asked if you could temporarily undelete so I could find the Hansard reference again. Could you do that please so that I can fix the licensing information. Wee Curry Monster (talk) 00:07, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@Wee Curry Monster: Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 14:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Think thats done, would you mind checking I've done the license and source correctly. Thanks. Wee Curry Monster (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-11[edit]

15:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Wrong page moving by a user[edit]

Hi, Billinghurst!

Thanks once again for you previous help! At this time, your look as an admin is needed. Please take a glance to this topic in user talk: User talk:Captain Nemo#Wrong_page_moving, maybe some admin's actions should be applied to fix the mistake of that user, e.g.: recreate the page Author:Henry Rosher James with full edit history, or (if it's possible) just merge the lost edits from Author:H. R. James to Author:Henry Rosher James? Of course, if this case just a trifle — then you can merely ignore it. --Nigmont (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I addressed this already (did not see this note before, otherwise I would have not acted). Hope I fixed it properly. Bye.--Mpaa (talk) 18:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-12[edit]

15:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Index:The American Cyclopædia (1879) Volume XII.djvu (pagescan non-display)[edit]

This is puzzling me as well, because I can't find a logical reason WHY it's not displaying the page-scans for me, this was after switching off everything I could think of, such as firewalls, Anti-virus and various ad blockers.

It's annoying as I was wanting to make progress on checking it's page-list.

It's obviously not the file, as you claim it displays without issue for you. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

solved. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:05, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-13[edit]

15:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Telugu wikisource needs help[edit]


Three years back you helped Telugu wikisource get started with Proofread. I am happy to inform that we have close to 10000 pages validated. I once again would like to thank you for your support. I tried to improve the setup, to show page numbers along site transcluded text, by using enws .js code. I realized enws code is not stable. I need your help to display the page numbers beside text on Telugu wikisource, without upsetting section insertion (## label ##) on page views, which was happening when I tried to use a version of the Common.js code from enws. --Arjunaraoc (talk) 11:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)