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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 12:42, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania[edit]

Note to self and anyone else interested.

Category:Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania should it be a portal too? If yes, we really need a means to autopopulate (minor) portals so we do not have do lots of work in that space.

If it is not, we need to look to adapt {{authority control}} so it can be utilised with arbitrary access to WD so AC can be filled on such a page. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To review[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

template:OGL needs an author: ns version created for use. Currently only has works version.

header WP links and the use of main subject at WD[edit]

have a check to see that where we have (encyclopaedic) pages in main namespace that link wikipedia = through header, that these items at wikidata may or may not have "main subject" wikilink. Can or should we be pulling that link via WD to manage deleted and moved items, and also be prepared for any item that has a future wp link. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Authors with missing death dates -> Category:Authors without death dates[edit]

explore making this change. They are not missing if they are not dead, so we should cater for both scenarios without confusing things. Only would be missing of the person is alive 130 years after death. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

link templates — to build[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 23:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Files to recover from Commons[edit]

monobook toolbar again[edit]

Have another look at it and see if I can get it functioning. fr:Special:Gadgets <sigh> — billinghurst sDrewth 01:43, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

template:DNB link[edit]

Consider with the anchor feature whether it should project the name and state that it is part of a parent article. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

write proposal to remove "categories"[edit]

  • use of this methodology overrides redirect and disambiguation aspects of templates and hotcat
  • makes maintenance harder with pywikibot, AWB and HotCat
  • put in a tracker on use
  • non-standard and should be avoided unless part of a standard
Yes check.svg Done and resolved. Use of category in header can be replaced. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up to do History of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob[edit]

  • mv text to header
  • rm "EM"
  • replacement /\<br \/\>/g
  • cleanup script
  • note to editor
  • consider if scripts are required for other NLS works, and either do or document the AWB actions

Categorisation to fix[edit]

To do: The Dictionary of Australasian Biography[edit]

  • Consider whether we want to migrate to its own header series Yes check.svg Done
  • review wikipedia and wikidata linking Yes check.svg Done => {{topicmatcher}} implemented
  • Check readiness to export

Wikidata cleanup[edit]


Hi, I decided to start editing here again. :-) I've imported Index:Wikipedia and Academic Libraries.djvu today and started proofreading it - it would be great if you could have a look and give me any pointers for where I'm not doing things quite right. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Peel: Welcome back. Apologies, for not responding a little earlier, got distracted by RL. The one important note is block <div> <=> <span> templates and their nesting. Generally where we have the two doing the same things, we name the div version as "something block". All looking good, obviously tweaks to where we have things catering to our quirks. I personally don't tend to use {{TOC link}} as I prefer to use raw linking. I will try to follow on behind. If you need reminders or help with transclusions, then let me know. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Good to know I'm not going horrendously wrong. :-) The templates are definitely the hardest things to remember, thanks for the pointer to the 'block' ones, and the importance of the ordering (position then size, right?). Is there a way to get the common templates to appear in the editing bar, so I don't have to remember them manually? Happy for the TOC links to be converted to raw links if you prefer - I was just using the style from Index:Williamherschel00simegoog.djvu (which finally has been completed, more than 10 years after I started it!) I'll carry on proofreading the book soon! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 07:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not so much size, more <div><span></span></div> span on the inside. Re customisation, yes, a few ways.
Pick your poison. I use old old toolbar, so cannot assist with the first, though can assist with second and third. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've run into a problem. Page:Wikipedia and Academic Libraries.djvu/222 contains what is probably a copyrighted work (I'm checking with the author). It should never have been included in a CC-BY publication. There are also a few images later on that might be similar. Do you have a standard procedure for handling this sort of case here? If not, I can probably crop out the problematic images from the PDFs, re-convert to djvu, and re-upload to Commons - but I don't know what happens in that case with the transcribed pages? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Peel: It depends on whose copyright, US or home country. If PD-US we will move the file to enWS, otherwise we can just comment out the sections. There is a template somewhere that we use, though forget its name at this time. Basically says this section is not in the public domain. Feel free to blank the images and re-upload. Hopefully someone reading this will tell us the template name to use. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
CC-BY vs. full copyrighted ... not sure the file can stay either here or on Commons. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That would be {{image removed}}, and {{text removed}} when relevant.
@Mike Peel: Already proofread pages have been saved locally on enWS as normal wikipages and will not be affected by any changes to the file at Commons. For pages that have not yet been created here, the content of the file is fetched dynamically (modulo caching) when you go to create them so their contents will be updated when the file is updated. In either case the image of the scanned page that you see on the right in the Page: namespace is not saved here and will always reflect the current version of the file on Commons (also modulo caching).
The only thing to really be weary of there is if pages are reordered in the file, for example by a page toward the start of the book having been completely removed from the PDF/DjVu. When that happens the mapping from pages in the file to wikipages here breaks, and we have to shuffle wikipages around to compensate. It's a bit tedious (manual job) so we try to avoid having to do it, but if it's needed any admin can help you with it. Non-admins will run into trouble because the necessary moves leave redirects behind that will get in the way, and the process isn't particularly intuitive so it's best handled by experienced users who know about the pitfalls. Xover (talk) 05:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Xover: Thanks, good to know that changes to the file won't affect proofread pages here. In the worst case, I think I can remove the images from the PDF/DjVu without affecting the page order at all. So I'll carry on when I can, and wait for the answer from the author of the chapter (probably before sorting out all images at the end). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and if there is a page in the <pagelist> where you don't wish to create a linkable page, you just label it as "empty". See mul:Wikisource:ProofreadPagebillinghurst sDrewth 16:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is all done from my side. All pages proofread, and wikipages at Wikipedia and Academic Libraries: A Global Project and subpages. It's been great to see other editors joining in (and I've been advertising this on Twitter a bit), and I'm learning from the changes people are making. A few things:

  1. I've uploaded screenshots of the images to Commons under the book's CC-BY license. My understanding is that the release of the book under that license also releases the images under the same license. Where possible, I've included the images already on Commons into the book. If this is challenged in the future, then my plan would be to redact the images from the book PDF/DjVu and wikitext.
  2. I looked into adding it to Template:New texts - but couldn't figure out how to do so since there's no clear author for the book.
  3. I also downloaded the book as a PDF (the 'Download' link is new since I was last here, and looks like a great addition!). I'm puzzled by why the redistribution of the book seems to be under CC-BY-SA or GNU FDL, rather than by the copyright of the book itself (CC-BY in this case; PD in other cases). Why is this?

Thanks for your help with this, and for your patience with my questions! :-) Mike Peel (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Peel: Congratulations on completing the work,. I will work through and add the author components to the header and the author pages.
  1. If Commons is an issue for the images, we can host them locally if US-free, label them over there and I can move them over. Otherwise your plan is fine. Probably need some placeholders to indicate what was there.
  2. For {{new texts}} I would have used editors so 2= edited by [[Author:Laurie M. Bridges|Laurie M. Bridges]], [[Author:Raymond Pun|Raymond Pun]], and [[Author:Roberto A. Arteaga|Roberto A. Arteaga]] and added a nowiki=yes as an extra parameter. I will look at whether to wikilink them later, once I have got through the pages.
  3. If a book download is showing with a different license than the work, then please create a phabricator ticket and mark it for WS-EXPORT, thanks. @Inductiveload: There has always been download links in the sidebar, though they are somewhat mute in a page of text. The issues of so much to offer and how to display it.
We truly do try to be cooperative and work to consensus, even between our failures to do so. Our two community spaces WS:Scriptorium and WS:Scriptorium/Help are well-watched and supportive. Help:Templates is useful as editors rely on the same tricks, so we can standardise an approach. Thanks for bringing the work in and adding diversity to what we have to offer, for asking questions and learning, and for adding them to WD. smiley Always here. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:52, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've added it to the new texts, but without the list of editors - the problem is that it appears as 'by edited by', which doesn't look too good. With the license, since you've pinged Inductiveload I guess wait to see what they say? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike Peel: Hi Mike! Looking pretty nifty!
The download has a CC-BY-4 licence (which covers the original work) in it near the front, so it could have been an stale cache? Unless you mean the end-plate text, which comes from MediaWiki:Wsexport about and (I assume) is based on the overall site license Wikisource:Copyright policy. AFAIK (and that's not that far), that covers any WS users' creative input on top of any work license, which is intrinsically compatible, or we wouldn't host it. Since users have agreed to the CC-BY-SA/FDL terms by editing here, I don't think it's possible to re-distribute WS works without the SA aspect. But I guess that's one for WMF legal, or whoever else has a sharp suit and is paid handsomely to be responsible for that kind of thing!
And looks like Jan beat me to the editor parameter in the new texts template. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 17:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On to the next one ... Index:Open Skies (Kellermann).pdf - feedback of anything I'm doing wrong would be appreciated. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:38, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Peel: Looking fine in the body. Consider replacing .... with ellipsis &hellip; / ….

FYI with tables, you can just set them to the wikicode, and we can apply css to them (see the Index: page and you will see a style.css tab/dropdown). I will get in a shake that one into place. Also to note that we do have template:table style/parse / {{ts}} for making that coding a little quicker if you do want to do it by cell. Typically I will just get a table framework right to get it in place quickly, and go back and tune, but that is just me. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Been and hacked. Also did an example of the easy way to do index pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Head Pages in Plato (Jowett)[edit]

Thanks for the help. One thing that I've noticed is that the work is a five volume work, and the transclusion does not currently reflect that. Is there an example of a multi-volume work that would be a good model? — Rodney 16:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RH Swearengin: There are a number of approaches to multi-volume works, and a number of schools of thoughts, so what follows is my opinion, and others may have slightly different.

In published books, I am generally less concerned about volumes as they are in volume form due to the size of the works, and if I believe that they can be displayed in without partitioning to volumes then I do not do so, essentially I reproduce the work as a contiguous and continuous reproduction. What guides me to put them into specific volumes as subpages is where they are reproduced over many years, and the latter volumes have common parts that require volume disambiguation, or have updates to earlier volumes with new replacement article parts, etc.

So the question that I ask to you, is how vital is the volume number to the reproduction of the work. How does it add value going to an extra hierarchical level? If there is little value, then we can simply capture the volume information in the title line as text like title = [[../The Dialogues of Plato]], volume 1

I haven't investigate the multiple volumes at this time to provide a recommendation, though I can if needed. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of the same opinion. I'll try out some things with Vol. 1, and link to Vol. 2. See what you think. — Rodney 23:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RH Swearengin: For some examples of ignoring. The DNB, EB1911 and Alumni Oxonienses ignore volumes, though they each have a specific biographical aspect. For the work My Life in Two Hemispheres, I ignored the 2 vols, and the Book sectionality and just squibbed on the chapter naming, though I did create redirects. Another work recently (forget which) we essentially ignored the vols. though we did have /Volume 1, /Volume 2, ... pages as a container for each table of contents. I want to be loyal to a book, though not to have a horrid reproduction and get buried in a computer subpage hierarchy. BUT if tens of thousands of references existed to a work that cited "Bookname Vol. 10, Book 3" then I may just be influenced. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 12:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Billinghurst,

thank you for helping with The Zoologist/4th series, vol 1 (1897)/ToC, The Zoologist/4th series, vol 3 (1899)/ToC and The Zoologist/4th series, vol 4 (1900)/ToC. But these ToCs are also used on the index-pages, e.g. Index:The Zoologist, 4th series, vol 1 (1897).djvu. And unfortunately the links to the issues etc. do not work correct here. Is there a way to repair that? Greetings, --Dick Bos (talk) 08:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Would you mind putting {{header}} templates on them, and you probably want to wrap the headers in <noinclude> tags. Sitting there like that they are just going to trigger all sort of warnings. Alternatively, either move them to template namespace, or just embed them into the root page. Pages like that are always going to get caught up with bot fixes where we want relative links and those sort of non-standard "tricks". We had fixed up all the pages like that and don't really want to back to that as a style again. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Billinghurst,
In the first place: The problem is not fully solved:


Could you please help me with fixing that?

And concerning your remark: I would be happy to put header-templates on the contents-page of the volume (like I did on the content-pages per issue), but I don't know how to put them in the <noinclude> section. And I think that's necessary, because I use the contents on two different places. May I ask you to create an example of that, for instance for The Zoologist/4th series, vol 3 (1899)/ToC ?

Thanks again, --Dick Bos (talk) 09:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dick Bos: I have reverted my edits. I think that my advice in this case is that these ToC constructions should be better housed in the Template: namespace. That way we don't need to worry about header inserts or noincludes, and it just removes these pages well away from bot maintenance for standard fixes around subpage construction. Things in Template: ns wouldn't typically get automated bot edits. I would also say that we can be a bit cleverer in constructs if we tuck them over in template: ns. We can use the template styles, so you don't have to do all that fiddly internal template style code, and instead just have simple tables. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dick Bos: Okay, I have been in big time and converted the series 4 ToCs to templates, and utilised css styles (see Template:The Zoologist ToC for component parts). Noting that it is not how I would have set it up from scratch, just least disruptive change. We can fiddle with styles.css page to get the best outputs and have them consistent across all ToC, and you just need to tablify, and add very little table styling code. A note with the navigation head, we would and should put those inside the notes field of the header, and I have also template'd that too. Noting that we can do similar things for the internals of the works as each Index: page has an styles.css page to allow this. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2021-39[edit]

22:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-40[edit]

16:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

U. L. S.[edit]

This is purely for personal interest, and will probably not produce an author page on Wikisource, but I wanted to contact you to see if you could find someone with the initials U. L. S. who lived in Sutherland, Scotland and flourished in 1935. They likely were alive in 1908 as well. This person hand-wrote an entire poem in a copy of The Return of the Emigrant (1908) that I own, which was authored by Lydia Miller Mackay. Written after the poem is "In memory of a dear friend", which suggests that U. L. S. knew Mackay personally and was well acquainted with her. On the title page of the book, a passage from the Book of Revelations is quoted under her name, and U. L. S.'s poem seems to be inspired by that passage. Above that Revelations passage was written: "Entered into rest-at-Windybrae, Dec. 10th, 1935". 1935 was Mackay's death year, so all of this was almost certainly a dedication left in the book in Mackay's memory. "Rest at Windybrae" would've apparently been referring to Mackay's home according one source.

Can you find any possibilities of who U. L. S. might have been? If you do, let me know, because the hand-written notes in this book are very intriguing and I'd like to find out who this person might have been, for the sake of solving this intense mystery. Thanks. PseudoSkull (talk) 03:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@PseudoSkull: I only have access to Scottish census to 1900, and there is no 1939 register, as there is for the UK. I feel that I would be fumbling in the dark in a small stadium for that one in public records when they may not even have any confirmatory detail. I can think of three women's U... first names for that period, Ursula, Unity and Uphemia so see if you can find anything that helps in Mackay's works or bio. I will see if I can find a report of the burial, as that can often list attendees. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Obituary has no particular mention of people beyond her parents and grandfather. No funeral arrangements found. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2021-41[edit]

15:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


Hi Billinghurst. We talked a bit before about WikidataCon, but I've lost the contact method (was it on Twitter? I found the email at [8] - but your email address wasn't available there!)

I'm writing to you as a co-curator of the 'Sister projects' track along with Susanna Ånäs for WikidataCon 2021, which will take place online on 29-31 October 2021. The conference website is at [9].

We would like to invite you to submit a session proposal to the track, specifically on how Wikisource interacts with Wikidata.

If you are interested, you can find information about how to submit a session proposal at [10], and you can access the submission form at [11]. Please submit a session proposal through the Pretalx process so that we can review and schedule it appropriately - and make sure to mark it as a 'Sister projects' track proposal. Please note that we cannot accept a session outside of the Pretalx process. We also encourage you to submit talks to other tracks if you are interested!

Note that the deadline for submitting proposals is the 20th October - sorry for the short notice! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2021-42[edit]

20:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)