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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 12:42, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania[edit]

Note to self and anyone else interested.

Category:Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania should it be a portal too? If yes, we really need a means to autopopulate (minor) portals so we do not have do lots of work in that space.

If it is not, we need to look to adapt {{authority control}} so it can be utilised with arbitrary access to WD so AC can be filled on such a page. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Move template data to WD[edit]

Category:Pages using authority control with parameters has pages with {{authority control}} data that should be housed on the WD page of the item. Look to set to utilise PLbot to move the data to WD, save some queries on its use and set up tracking. Need to be a good lad and set up fully-fledged maintenance pages. Oh for more time! — billinghurst sDrewth 06:31, 20 April 2017 (UTC) import[edit]

import work so we can migrate text French Constitution of 1848 — billinghurst sDrewth 12:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

To review[edit]

billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


Run bot through Index:Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography (1900, volume 1).djvu and others in series IIIIIIIVVVIVII

to extract text layers. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

header WP links and the use of main subject at WD[edit]

have a check to see that where we have (encyclopaedic) pages in main namespace that link wikipedia = through header, that these items at wikidata may or may not have "main subject" wikilink. Can or should we be pulling that link via WD to manage deleted and moved items, and also be prepared for any item that has a future wp link. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Authors with missing death dates -> Category:Authors without death dates[edit]

explore making this change. They are not missing if they are not dead, so we should cater for both scenarios without confusing things. Only would be missing of the person is alive 130 years after death. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:43, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Contributing translator -> header template[edit]

(parking) See if we should plug in a parameter so something like Popular Science Monthly/Volume 3/September 1873/Hypnotism in Animals I can properly represent the translator. Otherwise we can have it as a note as we do for {{illustrator}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-26[edit]

23:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Task: Index:Hamel Telegraph history England 1859.pdf[edit]

Need to get the bot to go and touch all the pages to get the proofread status to show. If that fails then may have to null edit. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:52, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done pywikibot script is
 jsub -quiet -N cron-tools.wikisource-bot-touch-broken1 python -lang:en -family:wikisource -prefixindex:Page:name_name_name...
billinghurst sDrewth 03:24, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

validation blues (should be green)[edit]

Hello there! Suggestive programs for special day exercises/Lincoln Day

I changed my workflow today and made all of the links on the page before putting it into the main namespace.

If you are only going to validate the one page, I can go ahead and just undo it. I am not happy about redoing it. Perhaps this is the moment that validation means nothing to me.

They have been a problem, not all of the headings are the same as the title. It seemed *useful* to me to link them one article at a time.

So, I am looking at undoing and releasing my soul from all caring or serious taking of validation or perhaps you have a suggestion on how I am to proceed from here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Maybe you know how to handle this properly? File:Missing page.jpg is the last page of that pdf. I thought (maybe) if I used {{book}} and put the pdf file in image and the page number in imagepage that it would auto-magically add the page to the display.
Now at File:School Song Knapsack-0149.jpg. File fixes should be requested at WS:S in the relevant section. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
And that also is the reason I was proceeding cautiously, the unfortunate naming of the file. Another person has to clean that up, making it the one big mistake today. I did not want to make another.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@RaboKarbakian: have a squiz at special:permalink/7529154. Here we are using accepted templates and expected tags that make things consistent. It would be unusual for us to pull a <section> tag as it obfuscates page numbering, and I only do it when <pages> won't work, or I don't want the page numbering. It is not our practice to force formatting like justification, that would normally be left to the default layouts, or people wanting to force it through their own common.js. Philosophically we have tried to allow people have their choice to impose, so you hardly see us force fonts, hard sizes, ... Similarly we have tried to move away from old html labels, and allow for css to rule.
To your opening statements, I have not made changes that have affected your ability to transclude. Your section covered the whole page, so just transclude the page without mention of a section, that section marking was superfluous. If you are referring to the coding changes, then at any point someone was going to come along and validate according to the style guide, it is why we have it, and why we point all users to it. I will have to look at your second statement set separately later. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
I am very sorry I over-reacted. Thank you for your time and patience.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

DC & AD[edit]

Do the new {{BC}} and {{AD}} work the way we'd like them too? Looking for a second opinion before saying anything. -- EncycloPetey 03:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: Not that approach. @Beleg Tâl: Published style manuals say that BC and AD should be capitals as they abbreviate Before Christ and Anno Domini, of course we may size them smaller after that. Whereas am/pm, ante-meridian and post-meridian are lower case that can be capitalised with "sc". These things do matter.

With regard to a universal with our works and space; some have full spaces, some have none, some may have thin spaces. A user can use a template if it reflects their work. As a template works better than bald, as it does at least allow us to have an informed default. Whether we would pursue that for our users is a different matter. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

This template is the simplest way I could think of to have upper-case AD and BC display as small-caps, as they are displayed in so many works. I put a thin space for a compromise with spaced and non-spaced versions but this can be modified by parameter in future. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: Except that they are treated as lower case by the software. Copy-paste the contents of the displayed result, and you get lower case. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
One would think so, but the displayed text matches searches and copy/pastes as uppercase. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not talking about the displayed text. I'm saying that if I copy-paste, I get lowercase letters. If you can uppercase copying and pasting, that's great. However, I do not. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Mistyped: I meant to say that I got a different result, not seem to doubt what you observed. That it matched a case sensitive search is merely interesting. These templates are as cute as a pail full of kittens … CYGNIS INSIGNIS 18:03, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: is it a browser thing? It definitely copy-pastes as uppercase for me. A. D. -> A. D. Windows 10, Firefox. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Possibly; or platform-specific. I'm using Firefox on a Mac. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
What is wrong with {{smaller}} with upper case? It works and is nice and simple. In fact, it is what is in place across our wiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

utf-8 as I know it[edit]

I am going to quit tonight, though, I have an hour to kill. I have been gathering my memories of utf-8 and character rendering in general as I have known it since 2001. I am going to share this with you here and now, instead of making new sections, etc.

The hackers I first encountered (this is before "cli" was added to some softwares) were mostly from Europe. They wanted to read their mail with first, nice fonts. A way to serve ttf fonts was worked on. I endured three different ways to configure fonts on my computer before ending up with what we have been using now for a while. They read their mail from terminals or terminal-emulators. html4 had all the entities needed, but the hackers are (or were) the kind of snobs who were not fond of html mail.

ttf then otf truly improved life on the terminal emulators. Hinted fonts are very nice on the eye compared to what we were using before. The expansion of the characters that a font can render, the unicode consortium who were doing this task, had the greatest of my respect. utf-8 was very very good for the cosmopolitan world of hackers.

That was before emoji. I consider emoji to be a personal punishment for me in particular for straying from my use of html entities and into using the actual font characters. Probably I am wrong but it is a something in the greater world that annoys me at least as much as me not following documentation that is less than 5 months old annoys you.

I am being annoyed by the trashing of my once beautiful world.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

This is not about utf-8, this is about not using curly single or double quotes. I have linked to the Wikisource:style manual and referred you to this document on multiple occasions about how we do things. If you want to restart the conversation about our style, and adapting it, then go for it, the place to start it is WS:S [The conversation has been had, and had, over the years.], blithely continuing with numerous elements that are outside our style and practice "just because" should be expected to be challenged, and can be expected to be changed. We are reproducing works in the web environment, where we maintain the words of the author(s). The stylistic variations of printers and compositers that produced a book are not maintained, that has proved problematic for the web and the multitude of devices, fonts, ... that the web throws at us. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
This "restart" is because I had a spare hour to fill due to the attention my work was getting. Amd I have spent some time thinking about the difference between dogma and instinct in the interim. Instinct is a reaction to a situation. Dogma is when people do not really know why.
* It would help me greatly if you could show me that the <pages /> is not just a pretty wrapper for {{#lst:articleX|chapter1}}. Metawiki is gpl? The greatest requirement for gnu/gpl is the source being available.
I am sorry to say that I really need to see that this is not just one persons goal, no matter how respectable or accomplished this person is. One person can clear all of the talent from a project far easier than he can make people leave all their knowledge at the door and use only his or hers.
Software, which is stupid, especially when compared to a living being, does not work a few hours earlier and then cease to work without someone or something changing it. This is a bigger fact than previous yet apparently not public discussions, as a link to these discussions was requested by me from you. It would be nice to know the agenda of whomever was messing with the software yesterday.
You are right about max-width. I need reminding about that.
I have starred the important thing. I know the license which you are using, it allows me to ask for the source and I would say that for my compliance it is a requirement that the full terms of the license be demonstrated. The source code that demonstrates your claims. --RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:36, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
<sigh> I have said it to you. Page numbering feeds from Index pages to main namespace pages through use of pages. I haven't said what I thought was obvious, that these hyperlinked page numbers are the means to enter Page: ns pages from a work; for validation, and other proofreading. pages also allows for an absolute string of pages to be transcluded, and it provides a standard and understandable means for all users to be able to see and to undertake the task. That said, on some occasions it is not more than a glorified wrapper for #lst, it is also the consistent wrapper that the community has adopted. Noting that the use of {{page}} is regularly problematic and our typical means of losing pages from transcluded works. We are a community and the community consensus sets the standard. We have learnt the value of KISS. We have seen things with users get themselves into horrible messes.
Now if you want to accuse me of a one-person crusade, then you are approaching a FRO. I am not here to explain every freaking decision that this community has made to arrive at the style guide over the years, with the development of components, etc. You may just have to take experience and lessons learnt in this game for granted. OR, go back through the years of discussions, and the revisions. If you think that I am having fun updating your works, NO. I had hoped that I could lead and demonstrate. I will keep updating as I have seen the consequences of code drift, and the use of problematic templates, some of which still plague us today as these experimental templates seemed like a good idea at the time.
With regard to software issues, ... WS:S for what has been reported locally; and no-one was playing with the software yesterday, though the consequences of earlier changes did come through in the past few days as things propagated. The place for support is the community at Scriptorium, a plethora of people with knowledge and history of this place. If you want to find ProofreadPage code then mw:Extension:ProofreadPagebillinghurst sDrewth 14:02, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
I am sorry that you are spending time typing of sighing instead of showing your claims. The recent claim is that mobile devices are unable to handle html5! It is a reasonable claim perhaps, but without THE SOURCE to back your claim or a link to the previous discussion I am unable to know that your claims are true! Certainly you can remember these discussions or the date of them and find them in the history here. You are representing all of the people who participated in these discussions.
If mobile devices are not handling html5 or simply ignoring it, the whole structure here and many many of the templates will need to be deleted. Please be very cautious with these claims.
My understanding of this comes from a conversation a very long time ago. It made sense. Working with it did not involve obedience to one persons words but to an overlying and underlying logic. I can provide a name and an approximate date if you need it. This understanding has followed me and helped me to sort through software logic problems. And determine the mental facilities of discussions I have lurked on.
Would you like to see the apache help for Server Side Includes? That combined with the storyline of Lawrence of Arabia might assist you to understand what I think has happened here. Apache (the software) is not GPL or GNU, yet they have made their source accessible and the documentation is not bad. This thing we are discussing is SSI and that <pages /> is a pretty wrapper around the php that accomplishes the task. I have not looked at the code. Please, tell me specifically where I am mistaken. I require an expert.
It is easier to change software than it is to change a mind and a persons hands-on experiences. Let me know if you would like to see the documentation for SSI. That is sincere and should improve your understanding of software we are sharing here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

xwiki abuse[edit]

@Billinghurst: Hi Billinghurst, I'm writing you here because I've seen this is the main wiki where you edit and because here you're an abusefilter and sysop. I think I've found a few proxies used recently by a single user who hides behind them to make similar unconstructive edits in different pages, and a few socks used to do the same kind of edits created recently. If I write here the suspicious proxies IP ranges, will you be able to block them (as they're forbidden on Wikipedia) and do the same with the socks created over such ranges (as they weren't created for reasons according to community standards)? Let me know, please, I'd like to be helpful to the project by reporting vandals in bad faith who use proxies and socks such as this one! Kbstudio0121 (talk) 08:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Kbstudio0121: The stewards are the only people who can manage crosswiki vandals comprehensively, especially with regard to abused proxies, so please make your reports to m:SRG—I am no longer a steward so restricted in what I can do. If you need to discuss crosswiki abuse matters with me, then meta is the better place to have such discussions at m:User talk:Billinghurst where matters can be coordinated, or I can point you to each of the places set for managing abuse. This is the place that I talk wikisource. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 08:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for replying! Well, since the vandal has edited only in en.wikipedia as far as I know, and since you've already read my message, may I tell you about this issue so that you can advise me where or whom to ask? Kbstudio0121 (talk) 10:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Problems at English Wikipedia belong at English Wikipedia. I suggest that reporting to w:WP:ANI is the means to progress. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:49, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try as you said! So you do think it's possible that, following this way, admins will check whether the socks I'm talking about were used over the proxy IP ranges I'm talking about or not, right? Kbstudio0121 (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

If you are demonstrating that there is abuse taking place, then admins will be interested. If the admins think that something needs escalating to checkusers, then they will do so. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Understood :-) Kbstudio0121 (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

fix Template:Do not move to Commons to work fully[edit]

  1. not to show templates in top cat, only for other cats
  2. drop out to able to be moved based on year

seems that expiry has been set, +1. Either change guidance to include + 1, or reset the expiries. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Uploading a handwritten diary to Wikidata[edit]

I'm most active in Wikipedia and Wikicommons and not so clued up with Wikisource and I have been approached by the Nelson Mandela Foundation, they are looking to donate one of Nelson Mandela's handwritten diary to Wikisource, Mandela wrote this diary in the 60s while receiving military training in some African countries. Anyway they've asked me to show them how to upload it to Wikisource but I'm not well clued up with that process. Some of his works were published here ( not on a free licence), Is there somewhere I can read to see how to go about uploading this diary to Wikisource? Bobbyshabangu (talk) 06:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

@Bobbyshabangu: What a magnificent gift to the public. Generally I would be encouraging that the Mandela Foundation to process through the Commons licencing C:Com:copyright tags and c:Com:OTRS process, as if the US and originating countries' copyright is managed then all okay; generally we would only upload a work here due to it being US public domain, though not origianting country. If something is uploaded there in either a DjVu format, or a PDF format, we can take that work and set up a transcription project here. Such would be an open project, and I can say that the community would be willing to assist. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
billinghurst I forgot to mention that the reason they are looking to donate this diary to Wikisource under a free license is because Mandela's centenary birthday of 18 July coincides with the start of Wikimania in Cape Town. Thank you so much I'll advice and perhaps show them as such. Bobbyshabangu (talk) 08:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
@Bobbyshabangu: Magic! I would be happy to set it up, and raise it with the community. It will take time to proofread and validate, though I think that this sort of work just needs some shepherding as I think that there will be volunteers, and probably not just locally. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:06, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

upload query[edit]

Hi, excuse me bothering you about this. I believe there is path at Commons to upload our files directly, bypassing the need to pull and push the data. I also want the large jp2 (zipped, rich jpg) data, and wonder if that can appear at Commons and I can grab individual page for local image manipulation. I have never bother to pursue this path, but my data metering is currently expensive. I am only interested in one article, in this volume which the journal host Taylor Francis has paywalled. Hope this is clear, cheers. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 11:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis: Are you meaning toollabs:ia-upload for pulling djvu files from IA? It enables the book template to be used, though it still needs correcting. No to jp2, they are not acceptable files at commons, more info at c:Commons:File types. We still rely on Hesperian to pull them here by labelling with {{raw image}}. We don't have such a script usable by Wikisource-bot. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. That is the thing I recalled, but the jpg file is the heavy lifting. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
@Cygnis insignis: then upload the djvu, mark the images, and hassle Hesperian when he gets back from school hols to do the upload. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-27[edit]

00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Expiry year[edit]

If you are correct in making this edit [6] then we should adjust all of our licensing templates. Right now, if an author died in 1948, our {{PD/1923}} licensing template will say:

This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published before January 1, 1923.

The author died in 1948, so this work is also in the public domain in countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 60 years or less. This work may also be in the public domain in countries and areas with longer native copyright terms that apply the rule of the shorter term to foreign works.


Which means that it is not in PD in the UK, and should not be uploaded to Commons. The template changes in the year following. So, either your edit is in error, or our templates are. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:47, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Several Indian books were touched in this series of edits, so I can say this: in India, calendar year is followed for copyright. If an author died in any month of 1957, 60 years period is calculated from January 1 of 1958 to December 31 of 2017. The work comes into PD on January 1 of 2018. Hrishikes (talk) 17:29, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
As I understand things, the same is true for the UK, which is why H. G. Wells' works entered PD in the UK in January 2017, though he died in August 1946. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: No no no. We had just had some incorrect usage of the templates, and numbers by me, as I thought it worked the same as our PD templates. One series has < and the other has <= so one changes at the end of a year, and the other changes at the beginning of a year. So think here that we set a year of death in PD, and we set an end of copyright in expiry. Both still apply in the year after. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:35, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, so the various templates (PD, renewal, notCommons) treat the expiry date differently. Well, that's not confusing at all... :P --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh, you are questioning the operating practice, not the actions. I did go through that point of difference (fbomb cussing) and decided to fix the problem first, then after that we can look at how we manage the difference in approach. Changing the practice in a use of template could just lead to it being broken the other way, and that is a community decision, not a sole operator. Yep, it is dumb, but hey, we do that with strings of templates where we rely on positional params, and invert their order. (fgo figure). — billinghurst sDrewth 04:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018[edit]

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
  • Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
  • Since our last newsletter, the Structured Data team has moved into designing and building prototypes for various features. The use of multilingual captions in the UploadWizard and on the file page has been researched, designed, discussed, and built out for use. Behind the scenes, back-end work on search is taking place and designs are being drawn up for the front-end. There will soon be specifications published for the use of the first Wikidata property on Commons, "Depicts," and a prototype is to be released to go along with that.
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Discussions held
Wikimania 2018
Partners and allies

Two research projects about Wikimedia Commons are currently ongoing, or in the process of being finished:

  1. Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.
  • Prototypes will be available for Depicts soon.
Stay up to date!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 21:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix[edit]


The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:

  1. m:Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
  2. m:Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

My apologies, I hope you find the corrected links helpful.

- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Problem resolved[edit]

For reasons unbeknownst to me, my bot flag was up but not working. Strangely, my regular edits were not showing up in recent changes, but AWB edits were. I restarted AWB, and the bot flag now appears to be working normally. BD2412 T 14:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

AWB needs a fresh login after the bot right has been assigned. I would still prefer that editing in that fully automated mode at that rate without eyeball review be undertaken with a specific bot account rather than with your main account. It simply avoids this problem, and it clearly differentiates reviewed and semi-automated edits to the community. The ability for admins to operate in flood mode was not to allow such autonomous editing, nor to escape the restrictions of Wikisource:Botsbillinghurst sDrewth 05:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
My edits are manual. I lay eyes on every screen as I go through. It is actually possible to see five or six per second and tell that there is nothing amiss with the edit, particularly where the error and the fix are both obvious. BD2412 T 03:40, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Bot request[edit]

Hi Billinghurst,

There are some questions added on विकिस्रोत:आंतरविकि दूतावास. Hope you have a look at them, Thanking you, --Tiven2240 (talk) 04:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC) (Admin Marathi wikipedia & Wikisource)

Thanks. Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 05:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28[edit]

23:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The Difference[edit]

Hello Billinghurst. I was wondering where you stumbled upon a poem entitled "The Difference" by Robert Louis Stevenson? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Not certain. Looking at what I did on the day and surrounds doesn't particularly enlighten me beyond saying that I was disambiguating a range of pages though what particularly brought me to that I work I cannot definitively say. Remove it if you think that it is incorrect or valueless. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I'll keep looking around for one. I was hoping one existed, and that there was perhaps a relationship between that poem and Mrs. Coates', as hers mentions him. If I come up empty, I'll remove. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 08:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Author:Lessel Hutcheon[edit]

Lieutenant, Royal Flying Corps during World War I. If you are able, I am in need of b/d dates, and any other pertinent info. Obrigada, Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Over and above, thanks. I can update WD, if you'd like; also, is the photograph public domain? Can I upload a cleaner version to Commons & cite the source? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Londonjackbooks: There is more available for marriage and stuff. If you need more, then please let me know. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Added to WD. You may have missed my question above with regard to photograph. Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
adding that at the author talk page. real time conversations! I am used to twelve hour delays. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:06, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Not sure how to interpret what all the added info means as far as uploading the photograph to Commons is concerned. P.S. Real time conversation with me can be laborious :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:15, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
So no publication date would be in my favor ("less likely to be considered"... for deletion?)? There is a date underneath the photograph: 25 Nov. 1915. Would that be the likely photograph date? Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
For copyright purposes images are artistic in nature. To my understanding, identification photographs are not considered of merit, they are usually a generic photographer that captures an image for a purpose other than artistic.I know that passport photographs are not copyrightable in Australia as they are prescribed in what is shown, and they have been done for the purpose which would exclude copyright. One would think that for ID papers, the same would apply. Exactly how Commons handles it will depend on who reviews it and how the data is expressed. I would think that the date shown is the date of aviation qualification, match that with the image of the licence. If born 1897, what age do you think he is in the photo? — billinghurst sDrewth 08:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Older than 18? younger than 25? I am bad at guessing age. Londonjackbooks (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
then call it "circa 1922", UK-based, unknown author European author. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:23, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Will get to it :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:15, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Last bug: License to apply? Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
{{PD-UK-unknown}} and {{PD-1923}} based on {{circa|1922}} — billinghurst sDrewth 04:32, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Done. Thank you. Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:57, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

James Kennedy[edit]

We've little information thus far about Author:James Kennedy (d.1859) wikidata, but there is a James Kennedy, politician, on Wikidata who died that year wikidata, and might be worth researching. This sort of thing falls more within your area of expertise than mine. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Obituary here: The Gentleman's Magazine and Historical Review, Volume 206 (died age 60). Had one son. MarkLSteadman (talk) 00:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
MLS, good get ... p. 658 At Notting-hill, aged 60, James Kennedy, esq., barrister-at-law, formerly M.P. for Tiverton, and late H.M.'s Judge in the Mixed Court of Justice at Havana. I will poke at the genie records when I get a chance. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-29[edit]

16:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Helsinki summit[edit]

Hello, I notices you are an admin here. I raiswd the issue previously on AN but thought it be better to ask admins personally instead. I think the transcript of Putin-Trump summit press conference is important enough to be included. Here's a transcript from White House website. Shall I create an article or does one already exist? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 03:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: no clue, I haven't look at new creations in the past few days. I would suggest that NewPages is the place to check, it shouldn't be overly long, alternatively the pages for Vladimir Putin or Donald Trump where it should be added. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:09, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Found nothing anywhere. There's also no link to a Wikisource transcript on the Wikipedia page, I doubt it won't have been there if it was already created. I'll create one now. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I’ve added it, Remarks by President Trump and President Putin of the Russian Federation in Joint Press Conference. Please make any changes you want to. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 06:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I think an external link on the Wikipedia article to the transcript might be benificial for the readers. Is it allowed however to add it? I won't ask you again if it cannot be done, but I doubt adding a link will cause any problem. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@MonsterHunter32: The {{Header}} template includes a parameter for links to wikipedia as
wikipedia =
which can be added if there is an article on Wikipedia about the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I was talking about adding a link on the Wikipedia article to the transcript that I added. Is it possible to do that or will it violate proxy editing prohibition if someone added it when I asked them? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
@MonsterHunter32: Wikipedia has a template called w:Template:Wikisource-inline that can be added to a page's "External links" section for these situations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I am blocked from editing on Wikipedia. I'm asking whether anyone else is allowed to place it on the Wikipedia article upon being asked by a blocked user. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
If the work meets the standards for inclusion on Wikisource, and is relevant to the Wikipedia article, then it shouldn't matter who adds the link. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, I’ve created Remarks by President Trump and President Putin of the Russian Federation in Joint Press Conference. I think it would be beneficial to the readers if a link to it is added to w:2018 Russia–United States summit, where the press conference took place. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 00:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Please take this to WS:S, WS:S/H or personal talk pages. 01:18, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Actually I was asking if you or EncycloPetey could add the link there. But I'll take it at another place then. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 01:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Author's death year[edit]

At present, if the author's death year is absent in Wikidata, the author is shown as living in English Wikisource, e.g. 1. In Bengali Wikisource, no such categorisation is made if death year is absent in WD, e.g. 2. The author is shown as living only when the death year is customised as "no value" in WD, e.g. 3. Hrishikes (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Bot operation[edit]

Can you please respond here? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:07, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Second listing[edit]

Hello, Billinghurst. Sorry I didn't notice the same text was added again. I was copying the format but forgot to replace the earlier article with the new article I created. Thanks for the removal from New Texts. I'll correct it. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 09:47, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

It is fixed, just leave it alone. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
When I said "fixed", I was referring to adding the new article Remarks by President Trump and President Niinistö of the Republic of Finland at Working Break. I added the new one, hope you don't mind. The previous one was about Trump and Putin, sorry for the mistake earlier. 10:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, please do not link author pages to Wikipedia, that is pretty unhelpful. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I only linked to Wikipedia because the person Sauli Niinistö has no author page on Wikisource. Should I just leave it as a redlink or remove the brackets? MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for creating an author article for Sauli Niinistö. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


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