User talk:Ineuw

</div> in footer

Dear I. Spotting a legitimate typo. in Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 24.djvu/132 gave me an excuse for a little experimentation. Adding a semantically empty construct following a </div> in the footer appears to make it ineligible for stripping. Either that or our collective commentary has tweaked somebody's conscience? AuFCL (talk) 05:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for all your help. More importantly - you found a typo after I have been through the article in the main namespace! This sort of whacks my self confidence. Ineuw talk 06:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Cleaning of those kind of typos ongoing ...— Mpaa (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Folks! The point was not the typo but was to pass on an observation in preserving things you don't want some half-hearted automaton to second-guess your intents and never save in the first place. This is all about (I hope tamed and controlled) subversion not about strict conformity. Where are your inner anarchists? AuFCL (talk) 09:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
A belated solution and a comment to the </div> in the footer is the use of {{div end}} template. It works, although it's a bit weird looking . . . . <div>{{div end}}. As to why the {{div}} is a redirect to {{anchor}} is only known by Dagon. — Ineuw talk 22:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

History of England

Ineuw, I come to you humbled and ashamed because for the life of me I cannot remember how to set up the next volume/s. Will you please assist with this situation. It is easy for you and impossible for me as I am losing my memory.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:John_Cassell%27s_History_of_England_series adding to volume 1 and 2 with the all of the rest of the volumes so I can place images in them? —Maury (talk) 11:52, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Will gladly help just need to check what I've done earlier. Never humble yourself to anyone especially to a Hungarian. As for the memory loss, include me in, but look at what you gain, . . . liberation by experience, and the right to say "don't remember". Ineuw talk 12:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Prepared you Cassell's commons:Category:Illustrated History of England vol 3 + 4 , and will complete all before lunch. — Ineuw talk 12:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I never can think of any way to thank a person as fair, intelligent, and as helpful as you. Just saying thank you isn’t good enough. That stated, I thank you once again. —Maury (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
You are most welcome. All done. commons:Category:John Cassell's History of England seriesIneuw talk 14:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey there, I’ve looked through the project pages but couldn’t really find an answer there. I’ve been adding various wikilinks (to author pages) while validating volume 18, and I wanted to check with you if this is correct.

I’ve been doing it in two different situations, one at the article title where author pages are available (example diff, example diff), and in the text of the article (example diff). Some guidance would be much appreciated, I don’t want to mess things up :) Marjoleinkl (talk) 07:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi. First you are not messing anything up. The layout is not altered by your editing, and it looks the same as all the title page layouts throughout PSM. I just wonder if it's worth linking the author's name in the Page namespace when it's already linked in the main namespace, but then it's up to you. On the other hand, (and this is where I get sneaky), perhaps I can get you interested in researching and creating the missing authors starting with this page? Names between A and H seems to have been done. Ineuw talk 00:19, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Good to know about the fact that they are already wikilinked in the page namespace, that does change things. As for the author pages, I could give it a try! I’m getting my confidence back with the templates and works, sounds like a new kind of challenge aside from "just" proofreading and validating :D Marjoleinkl (talk) 06:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Before I forget with you two I'd better record stumbling over the fact Author: E. W. James was in fact one Edwin Warley James, Chief of the BPR (Bureau of Public Roads)'s Division of Design in 1925. OCLC 28439108all editions refers and there is a short biography embedded within this (see paragraph 3 beneath "The Drive For Uniformity.") I did not update the author page as I could not find solid birth and death years (though obviously fl. 1893–1967, and born in Ossining, New York.) AuFCL (talk) 06:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Create the an empty Author template with all the common standard info like categories, Category:PSM contributors and then paste that into any text editor and use that as your copy and paste template. — Ineuw talk 03:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks User:AuFCL. — Ineuw talk 03:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Oops. Apologies, I should have pointed out E.W.J. is on your PSM list in initials form only and at the very least wrote Wikisource:WikiProject_Popular_Science_Monthly/Authors_H_to_L which confirms the Road Engineer connection, presuming Office of Public Roads in Dept. Ag. 1915 ${\displaystyle \approxeq }$ Bureau of Public Roads 1925? AuFCL (talk) 10:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Please don't apologize. The alphabetic author list was initially generated by my offline PSM database and the info is as printed on the title page. I no longer use the database version because this would mean going back and updating it. I did it for awhile, but it's just too much unnecessary work. So, I should have updated the online list to link directly with the author's full name and not the redirect. — Ineuw talk 20:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Aha! If that was he case and you knew the full name anyway then only the reason for my apology changes, as I was telling you things you already knew. AuFCL (talk) 21:07, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘

I just had my first look at the author list, and of course the first one I start with is one where I was able to find the author’s full name and year of birth & death and so the page has to be moved to the correct full name. I had to do some Googling to get there, and I’m not sure if I should add references here as I would on WIkipedia? If so I’ll still add those before making the move. Marjoleinkl (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. The new Author template requires a wikidata reference number. This links the Author to the Wikipedia article as well as any other connection within the Wikipedia family. User:billinghurst beat me to it. Please look at this page at Wikidata. Marshall_O._LeightonIneuw talk 17:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the guidance. I seem to find researching and creating author pages with initials strangely satisfying :DMarjoleinkl (talk) 18:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your work in the author space. I put research from external sites onto the respective Author talk: page as a point of reference, if ever queried. VIAF website will provide good author dates and name variations, so ... if you are then doing work at Wikidata their are a couple of tools that can help at that place, so give me a prod. We do encourage the process that you have taken of creating page with the initials and then moving to the full expanded naming, in the long run we have found that it just works. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:57, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Alright, I will keep doing that, I didn’t want to clutter by creating Author pages and moving them right away, but I see the value in it as well. And I’ll add my sources to the talk pages. I’ll stop pestering you with questions now, especially on someone else’s talk page :P Marjoleinkl (talk) 06:57, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh just pester away. It is not as if anybody around here ever learns anything. (Please don't mind me, I am just the resident default cynic. Besides, I could be(most likely am) wrong.) AuFCL (talk) 07:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ineuw. The script is just a bad patch, but I tried here and it runs for me. Try again, as you go into over/under proofreading mode you'll not see any difference, but click the image and (I hope) both the image and the editing textarea will reduce fastly to a comfortable height. The need of such a click is annoying, but I didn't find a trick to avoid it :-( --Alex brollo (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Bless you, it works. A big thank you!!! — Ineuw talk 21:03, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok! If you need to adjust a little bit the height of image and of textarea, I guess that you can edit the script; if you need help ask! --Alex brollo (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Alex, I really appreciate it. Already changed it to 300px. Is it possible to "fake" a mouse double-click? I tried .setfocus, but obviously that doesn't work. P.S: I know nothing about javascript. :-) — Ineuw talk 21:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
.click() (but that is not the trick; the real problem is delaying it until it has something to work upon.) 127·0·0·2 (talk) 07:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I guess, that this problem will be solved soon, so there's a real need to work so deeply about temporary patches. I'm in contact with Sam Wilson about some much deeper needs of our editing interface, inspired to the edit environment of Distributed Proofreaders, in brief thinking about two "principles":
1. Remove from edit screen anything but what is really useful for edit work;
2. Fix tools and scroll only text box and front image.
Presently I'm working to a "personal edit environment", named "edit In View", that means, an interface to see and edit immediately the wikitext while staying in view mode, and to save edits very fastly. Would you like to be an "alpha-tester"? --Alex brollo (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
As long as it's in over/under mode and not side by side, of course I would. Just let me know. — Ineuw talk 19:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Ouch.... I almost never use over/under mode... I worked at my patch just for a few it.source users (and you: but unexpectedly!), so I didn't develop so far a over/under mode in Edit and View, I'll let you know as soon as I'll implement it (I guess, it's far from impossible, I've full control of boxes!). Just one more intriguing challenge... thanks for suggestion. Alex brollo (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Another fly in the ointment of the proofreading page

Hate to be the proverbial messenger, but there is another bug in the text edit area. It existed before I pasted your code in the global.js! The handle on the right bottom corner used to extend the text area is frozen. This is also frozen on this talk text area as well. The handles in the header and footer are working, it's only the main text area that is frozen. This is the same in both the side by side and over/under editing mode and in Wiktionary as well, so I must assume that is a fundamental problem. Should I report this to Phabricator? — Ineuw talk 19:21, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I tried, but I found that resizing is possible for main text area too, but only to enlarge it - I presume that somewhere there's a setting of a min-height or something like this. Please try to enlarge the text area. If you're not satisfied by the result, please open a bug into Phabricator, I'm e little bit confused about some details of proofreading interface.
In the meantime, I tried to run Edit In View (side by side mode only.... :-( ) here into en.source, and I uploaded two screenshots here:
file:Screenshot_EditInViewe_n.source_1.jpg
file:Screenshot EditInView en.source 2.jpg
Simply clicking the "eiv" label highlighted into the first image, immediately the screen shows what can been seen into the second one - the list of bottom buttons is a simply customable collection of edit tools (built by a personal page, my one is User:Alex brollo/PersonalButtons into en.source). --Alex brollo (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I like your side by side edit system, if it utilizes the whole screen and hides the menu on the left.
Your experience of being able to enlarge the text area is the same as Sam Wilson's. That is what I would like to do, but it is frozen. I am not interested in making it smaller. I posted some additional info for Aklapper. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147526Ineuw talk 16:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
If you are very bold, come into it.source and activate the gadget "Emula-barbanew". Please follow carefully its notes about selecting ("Attivare") and deselecting ("Disattivare") listed gadgets. It's a extremely complex gadget that rebuilds the whole display and edit interfaces, don't waste your time exploring all the buttons (very it.source style specific!), I'd only like that you take a look to general settings of edit environment. Ask the author, User:Barbaforcuta, for details and help. Consider that the main disadvantage of that environment (presently you'll find it very slow) is going to be solved. --Alex brollo (talk) 08:57, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for testing barbaforcutanew, I think that it will be deeply reviewed, using FullPageEditing as an inspiring example and mounting into it all the needed it.source tools. --Alex brollo (talk) 12:41, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

FullScreenEditing by Samwilson

I presume, that FullScreenEditing.js by Sam is just what you seek for. I tested it and now it's simple and fast! --Alex brollo (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I installed it but it doesn't work for me. In preferences, I disabled Horizontal layout when editing in the Page: namespace which I normally use, but I don't know what I am missing and what the result should be. Could you clue me in? — Ineuw talk 16:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
You are right, there's a annoying conflict between horizontal view and FullScreenEditing. I can avoid it with a specific sequence of activations (from lateral view, FullScreen disabled: first activate FullScreen, then activate horizontal view), on the contrary another sequence (first lateral view, then FullScreen activation) runs badly. I presume that Sam could fix it with no so much pain. --Alex brollo (talk) 09:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the confirmation. I had the exact same problem, and couldn't figure out the sequence of settings, and could not resolve the issue. Also, there is no great hurry. :-) — Ineuw talk 19:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw, @Alex brollo: Thank you both for bringing this to my attention! I shall see about a fix. —Sam Wilson 22:52, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Can you test it again please? It may be fixed. —Sam Wilson 00:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes thank you, bug fixed! The only issue survived I found, is that top links to Previous page, Next page, Discussion, Page, Image, Index page are dead; have they perhaps been cloned without their related events? --Alex brollo (talk) 11:19, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I was wrong. They aren'd dead nor they haven't been cloned.... they are simply partially masked on their bottom-half by the transparent top of div #bodyContent. I can fix it (just for a test) simply assigning a style="top:10px" to div #bodyContent from console. --Alex brollo (talk) 11:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Do they not work at all? I'm getting a weird thing where the top half (or so) of the tabs works as a link, but the bottom area doesn't! Some sort of layering problem, I guess. Is that what you're seeing? Anyway, I'll investigate. Sam Wilson 01:46, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
My apologies, I wrote two messages here, one last night and one earlier today, only to walk away and forget saving them, so they are lost. To clarify my issues, I uploaded This image with some info, and will elaborate here when you wish to know exactly what happens and when. — Ineuw talk 02:23, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
I think it was the jump-to-nav thing making the top spacing go weird. I've hidden it too (I don't think that'll be a problem?). See how it goes now! Sam Wilson 02:41, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

The whole control group, page backwards, forwards, Talk page, Image and page source are working. Is there a way to stick the Read, Edit, View history buttons be returned and placed on the right of the title. The reason I am asking is because, not all the pages are edited, so I have to turn off the full-width editing, to access these choices, which resets the cookie. — Ineuw talk 02:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Yup, good idea. I've added the 'views' tabs to the top right. And added some documentation to Wikisource:Tools and scripts. Sam Wilson 05:18, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Sam, everything is working well. — Ineuw talk 06:57, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks too from me, now FullPageEditing works perfectly into it.source too :-) --Alex brollo (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw, @Alex brollo: good to hear! Now, who wants to bet that it doesn't for for RTL languages?! (But until someone raises it, I'm not going to tackle that.) Sam Wilson 23:50, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Good thinking. Although, there is some Hebrew and Arabic texts that I worked on, but not full pages, just some paragraphs, I guess that won't do. — Ineuw talk 23:53, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I pasted some Hebrew text in temporarily in these page for you to see. Since we are using the same script, (in my case,) the full width control button is gone. This is aside from the text being left, instead of right aligned. I hope this helps. — Ineuw talk 02:06, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

spaces

Ineuw, as an administrator and meticulous worker, I want to ask you if all spaces are to be closed. I see this kind of spaced situation sometimes and am inclined to close all spaces prosperous — but --Maury (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

My thought is to watch the original. If you found that I removed gaps around mdashes where I shouldn't have, it's because my word-wrapping script was designed for on PSM where they are closed, and I didn't pay attention. If you are using Pathoschild's proofreading script, it leaves the surrounding gaps. By the way, how do you wrap your text?

Hebrew or Greek?

Ineuw, would you be so kind as to help 3 users with Hebrew (I think) or Greek by transcribing a paragraph of text. We have an image I could insert but this old text, if you understand it, might look better. Can you write Hebrew? Some can speak but not be able to read or write other languages. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:God_and_His_Book.djvu/5 Thank you for any consideration of it., —Maury (talk) 02:48, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

It's Hebrew and it is no problem! — Ineuw talk 03:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you!!! Now you’re the only person on Wikisource who knows what it says. :) —Maury (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Very much doubt that I am the only person. Had some trouble deciphering some of the characters, but then recognized and tracked down the text. It's from Deuteronomy. — Ineuw talk 09:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
{(ping)} (sounds like sonar throughout the night) Samuel Houston Johnston aka someone else, I doubt it too but the rest of it, except for one page in Hebrew, is in Greek (seriously). Regardless - your kindness, helpfullness, and intelligence is what stands out. —Maury (talk) 21:07, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

A short work you might find interesting

Hi, I was looking for some shorter works for January's PotM, and came across this. I immediately thought of you and wondered if it was something you'd like to do for relief. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:23, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, it looks interesting. Do you want me to transfer it to the commons and install it? — Ineuw talk 08:47, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Life in Mexico

I do not believe that your structure of Life in Mexico aligns with other works that we have done in this place. It would be considered the one work. I believe that it would either be transcluded as Life in Mexico/(continuous subparts) or Life in Mexico/Volume 1/(subparts) and Life in Mexico/Volume 2/(subparts). How you have set it just doesn't lead to a continuous flow of the work, and it treats it as two separate works. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:23, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, If you are referring to the block of hanging indent "sub titles" below the "Letter the First" etc. title . . . . they are not subsections. They just highlights in the flow of story. Just read a couple of pages to see this. — Ineuw talk 01:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
No, I am referring to the nomenclature of Life in Mexico vol 1 and proposed Life in Mexico vol 2 rather than Life of Mexicobillinghurst sDrewth 02:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

::: Now I get it, I have no problem correcting the title, Will that be sufficient? — Ineuw talk 02:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I should not have written that, I got your point. Will correct it. — Ineuw talk 02:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Mexico

x CONTENTS

Letter the Eigteenth|LETTER THE EIGTEENTH]] —Maury (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Pictures of life in Mexico ???

Why are we creating empty pages? And like that? — billinghurst sDrewth 00:18, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

It's been a long time since I've done multiple volumes and forgot, and now I deleted them. As I was looking at my old work, I noticed that there is at least another work I should change: Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican, Vol 1 and volume 2. Can you please confirm this? — Ineuw talk 00:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, though I think that the easiest way to fix that is to ignore the volumes, and move them to books of the title. That way you will move from something like "Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican, Vol 1/Book 1/..." to "Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican/Book 1" "Book 2", "Book 3" then ""Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican, Vol 2/Book 4/..." to "Mexico, Aztec, Spanish and Republican/Book 4", etc. which allows you to the relative linking and titles on all the subpages to work fine without further editing. It will be a bit of fiddling at the duplicate pages (root/ToC)/??? however I suggest moving volume 2 first, then delete the duplicates page (merge them?), then volume 1. [It is know that I don't get held up by publishers' volumes to reproduce works here.]

Let me know if you need a hand. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, I will ask for help if and whenI am lost. — Ineuw talk 00:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Is Wikisource working properly or Not all day ?

Ineuw, has wikisource been working well all day? It hasn’t for me! I read somewhere Hesperian had floating text or windows or both. What’s the name of that place? I never see it on a daily basis. A search will show some things once in a while or I have usually remember it. When I was on wikisource earlier today installing images that were marked yellow on Cassell’s volume 5, I kept on having problems trying to get my few images in place. I had problems logging in moments ago and actually made my way from Commons via an image link installed today. I looked around and saw where Hesperiian and billinghurst were having some kind of problems. Billinghurst stated something that they Wiki Media Foundation (?) never warns us after they implement their material. Can you please, if you are on here, email me and place a copy of the same here if you desire. My sincere apologies everyone, I don’t know if my old computer is breaking down or not. It wasn’t yesterday but it was today and now. —Maury (talk) 05:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC) William Maury Morris II (hope this sends)

Your message was received, and your computer is OK. The first thing is to check when was the Wikimedia software last updated, which is shown on Special pages/Version [1] This shows "2016-12-14T20:10:47" which means that it's been five days. I had no problems with this software update so far, but I am doing very simple things. Send me the link of the page you are having trouble with please, I will test it. — Ineuw talk 05:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: My computer is working fine now. I don’t know what happened and it no longer makes any difference to me. You’re doing simple things? ha, that’s a new one. You do _complicated_ things. I know because I have worked with you and I still watch your growth in expertise. "Happy Holidays!" friend, —Maury (talk) 09:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Tool Support for Bengali Wikisource Editthon

Hi, I am from Bengali Wikisource. I have shown that you are well in https://quarry.wmflabs.org/Ineuw. We are organised the WS10 proofreading contest. The rules and point are same as Wikisource:Tenth_Anniversary_Contest. Could you please help us? We need one quarry for a month proofread contest. We need to know the top ten user participating the contest according to ( Proofread page, Validated page, Problematic page, without text ) action with a specific book and timeframe ( 1st January 2017 - 31st January 2017 ). We will calculate score manually. Thank you in advance. Jayantanth (talk) 15:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Would like to help, but my knowledge of the database structure is very limited. I haven't yet found where they store the information and the code list for page quality you need. Earlier today, I spent hours searching the Mediawiki database manual, but so far found no documentation on what we need to know. I don't even know the id name of the Bengali database and if the info you want is in Bengali, then I would be completely lost. I also assume that the first batch of data is needed by January 7th. I will keep looking, but can't promise.

To assure success it's best to post a request at the quarry forum (and the Mediawiki forum) because I was helped in the past with data extraction. I saw your post just now but you must include exactly what you want, in the post. Otherwise, you are just wasting time. — Ineuw talk 01:47, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

One place is cl_to in enwikisource_p.categorylinks view.— Mpaa (talk) 08:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
@Mpaa: Hi and thanks for the info. This means that the page quality is also a category? And doesn't enwikisource_p contains only the English Wikisource data? I believe that Jayantanth needs the data from the Bengali database. — Ineuw talk 09:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
bnwikisource_p
It was just a hint where in the dB of a wikisource you can find the info. All Page:xxx pages belong to their "quality" category (see bottom of a Page:xxx).— Mpaa (talk) 09:47, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again. — Ineuw talk 10:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Mpaa:, @Ineuw:, Hi, Thanks for reply. If anyone help for this issue, it would the best to all wikisource community. Can any one try it for ENWS? Them I can call the quarries for BNWS. We need the output for as below table. According to a specific Index list and timeframe like ( 1st January 2017 - 31st January 2017 ).

User Name Proofread page Validated page, Problematic page, without text
User0 0 1 2 3
User1 1 2 3 4
User2 2 3 4 5
User3 3 4 5 6

Or as please guide me what to do. And here is some documents about the m:Wikisource anniversary proofreading contest tools for wikisource. I have tried in my terminal, but no output comes.

I have access at Tool Lab. But there are no front end. as like x-tool/Fountain tools of wikipedia. Jayantanth (talk) 15:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

I do not think you can get what you need via quarry. My suggestion is that you try to learn and run the tools you indicated. I have no clue how they work, you'd better ask to the authors (they live in it.wikisource, I think).— Mpaa (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
The Tool Lab has been closed down last year(?) and whatever useful tools were there were transferred, I just don't know where.
The quarry SQL can do do what Jayantanth wants, it is not too complex, but I am struggling with the SQL syntax (when you don't use it, you lose it) and the table links, and because I have to consult the schema constantly and correct it by trial and error. See this simple attempt. — Ineuw talk 22:00, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Proposing a change to Template:PSMLayoutTop

Hi. I am looking at this template again after number of years and how it hard codes formatting.Are you aware that the hard-coding that is imposed makes the articles ugly and problematic on mobiles? I believe that we should be looking to change the formatting of Template:PSMLayoutTop to have its content replaced with `{{default layout|Layout 2}}`, and Template:PSMLayoutBottom to just be a null template. Such a change will mostly retain the current look and allow us to get around the current issues of the fixed width. Such a simple change will mean that we won't need to look to other mass edits.

You can see an example of the two at Layout 2 and PSMLayoutTop

Thoughts? — billinghurst sDrewth 09:26, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Addendum. There is a little difference between your template, and Layout 2, so we can look at that if there differences are unsuitable. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I am am perfectly OK with the `{{default layout|Layout 2}}`. All I wanted is narrower text. Would it be possible to change {{PSMLayoutTop}} to a redirect to `{{default layout|Layout 2}}`, so as to minimize the work involved? I am not sure, but guess that {{PSMLayoutBottom}} needs to be nullified/neutralized? — Ineuw talk 22:29, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
{{PSMLayoutBottom}} is nullified and copied {{default layout}} to {{PSMLayoutTop}}. Can you check please if it's done properly? Thanks. — Ineuw talk 06:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your consideration. Quick check of a couple of pages has it looking fine to me. At this point of time, I suggest to neither remove, nor stop using your formatting (well not at this stage), and a redirect wouldn't work. Leaving it in allows a change to another distinctive layout if needed (just in case approach!) If we need to remove, getting a bot through to swap over the first template, and remove the second, is an easy task. Up to you when you think that things are broadly okay, and whether for any new pages whether you utilise `{{default layout|Layout 2}}` at the lead of works. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:13, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I tested it as well in Chromium and by logging out. The PSM main namespace pages have been assembled years ago, so I no longer generate new pages, but agree about not removing them. Also the template pair may have been used in non PSM works, which I must check. — Ineuw talk 07:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
I see that you have reverted. Would you share where is the problem? — billinghurst sDrewth 05:58, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Not to worry, I see where you have discussed it. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
I reverted it and set the width to Layout 2 width. — Ineuw talk 06:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)