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"All I know is that you feel good
in the ring."The Game (1905) by Jack London

"All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"

from "The Boxer" by Simon & Garfunkel

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September 11th, 2001

...It was as if an earthquake rent
The hearth-stones of a continent,
          And made forlorn
          The households born
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!

And in despair I bowed my head;
"There is no peace on earth," I said:
          "For hate is strong,
          And mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good-will to men!"

Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
"God is not dead; nor doth he sleep!
          The Wrong shall fail,
          The Right prevail,
With peace on earth, good-will to men!"


—from Christmas Bells by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
"Awards for participation"


TALK[edit]

poem tag + stanza break[edit]

I don't want to step on your editing, but if the only thing that you're missing is the stanza break at a page break, the solution is to put a {{nop}} inside of the </poem> on the first page, and then another {{nop}} inside the <poem> on the second page. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

@Mukkakukaku: Feel free to make changes as you deem appropriate. Thanks for the alt solution! The main issue was the poem tag placement, which should be in the body as opposed to the header/footer when spanning multiple pages. Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah it used to work, when transcribing poems across pages, to put the open/close tags in the header/footer in the middle pages, but apparently it broke at some point. Thanks. -- Mukkakukaku (talk) 17:12, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Missing customized editing toolbar[edit]

Have any changes been made recently? I have not used my customized toolbar for a time, and it is missing in Page and Main namespaces. Also, zoom buttons are present, but do not make changes when clicked. @Ineuw, @Beeswaxcandle:? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

They seem to be back as of now. Zooming works too. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Gone again, back again. Unstable. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:21, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Londonjackbooks: I am looking at your common.js toolbar setup and it was programmed by GOIII over a year ago, and the same setup did not work for me anymore for awhile.
The important settings for you to check are and post here as follows:
In Preferences \ Gadgets \ Interface, this first option must be selected.
Site: General utilities needed by the templates and portals of this wiki project.
In Preferences there are two toolbar related options. Which ones are selected?
Show edit toolbar or Enable enhanced editing toolbarIneuw talk 03:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for helping... I have Enable enhanced editing toolbar checked of the two. Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:44, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: What about the Preferences \ Gadgets \ Interface, this first option must be selected.
Site: General utilities needed by the templates and portals of this wiki project. please make sure it is also selected.
Also, I copied your setup into mine so I see what you "should" see. Please look at this uploaded screen shot File:Ljb setup.jpg is this what you seeing - or not? I took this picture from your earlier work of today. Please open this page in edit mode and compare it to the image and let me know the difference. — Ineuw talk 03:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Please ignore that the layout is over / under and I can switch that to side by side if that is your layout. I am only interested in the toolbar options and the character insert bar position. — Ineuw talk 04:02, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Perhaps this image is closer what you (should) have? File:Ljb setup 2.jpg. — Ineuw talk
@Ineuw: Sorry, yes... "General utilities & etc." is also selected. Your screenshot (#2) is what I should be seeing, and once in a blue moon it appears; but more often than not (as currently), I am getting the default(?) toolbar. Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Log out of your browser (Chrome?) and all Wikisource related browser cookies should be deleted. They hold user info. I believe you are using Chrome. If you need help with Chrome just post here. You need to log in with newly typed and selected info. — Ineuw talk 04:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Deleted history, cookies, etc. (Chrome), logged out, logged back in again, signed back into WS, and things have not changed in edit mode. Hoping I didn't err in following instructions. Just to add, if it is late where you are, we can resume this at a later time... perhaps moving this to my Talk page if it gets too lengthy here... Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Don't worry, my evening just began. :-) I will continue this on your page now. — Ineuw talk 04:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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@Londonjackbooks: If in Preferences 1st page you have \ Global account: (see the field next to it), then we may have to delete all Wikipedia related cookies. :-( — Ineuw talk 04:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ineuw: Global account: is listed on 1st page after Password:. When I deleted all Chrome browsing history, wouldn't that have taken care of all WP-related cookies too? Not sure what you are saying I need to do...? Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Browsing history is not the same as the cookies. In settings, search for "cookies" and there you will see a list of cookies that were accumulated by your browsing. I think you can filter the list with "wiki". — Ineuw talk 05:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Meant "browsing data"... When I obliterate, I obliterate the whole list (and from beginning of time), to include cookies, etc. Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Just a second please, I am in the process re-installing chrome and will let you know. :-) — Ineuw talk 05:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Making a PB&J... standing by. We have had similar issues in the past, if any details strike you as being similar... Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Not really, because it works in my common.js file as it should. Chrome has two stores for cookies. One is called Clear browsing data and we need the one (next to it) that is named Content settings . . . . continued. — Ineuw talk 05:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Under Content settings, do I click on "all cookies and site data..."? If so, what then? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Yes, in the Content settings, click on Cookies and site data and there you can do a search for cookies containing the word segment "wiki". — Ineuw talk 05:35, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
And then X all the "wiki" cookies out? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: I deleted all the "wiki" cookies, all the browsing data (again), and signed back in. Unfortunately, still no changes. It's almost 2am here. I stayed up late to finish editing a work, but this may take some time? I can give another 15 minutes, then we may have to resume later. Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: I guess we are in the same time zone. (Eastern Daylight). Let's continue tomorrow. At what time do you start editing? — Ineuw talk 05:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Haven't been regularly editing lately, but I can be available between 6-9am tomorrow morning. Or later in the afternoon/evening. What's best for you? Londonjackbooks (talk) 05:55, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: The next step is to temporarily remove the code from your common.js, and put things back one at the time. I will do this now. Please see if you can work with this tomorrow morning. 6-9 am is a bit early, but one can never tell. — Ineuw talk 06:15, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed (& saved) the editing toolbar related code but left you the colors and the Character insert bar. GOIII left a not in the code that in the Preferences \ Editing The Enable wizards for inserting links, tables as well as the search and replace function must not be enabled, please check that it is so. — Ineuw talk 06:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It was checked, so I unchecked it. In Preferenced/Editing/Editor, what key items should be checked, and what should not? For example, "show edit toolbar" is not currently checked, but "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" is. Is that correct? Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Sept 13, 2016[edit]

@Londonjackbooks: Hi. Only the enhanced toolbar is to be checked. It's a either one or the other. Have you had the chance to do some editing this morning? — Ineuw talk 13:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ineuw: Morning! Have not edited, but checked page in edit mode, and no changes. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
P.S. To save you some time, you don't have to ping me on my Talk page, as I am notified automatically of an edit. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks I wasn't sure. Would it be possible for you to post a screen shot of what you see in editing mode? That would really help. I have my account set up as yours so I can compare. — Ineuw talk 16:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Sure. File:LJB screenshot 1.jpg Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Alongside the icons of the toolbar, there are four blue titles preceded by arrowheads. Click on the arrowhead preceding the "Proofreading tools" and this will display the magnifier etc. Let me know if this is what you were looking for, and I will restore the rest of what I removed. Now, if the page is saved with the "Proofreading tools" showing, then all subsequent pages will display it open accordingly, and that is what stored in one of the WS cookies. — Ineuw talk 16:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Dropdown and zoom buttons appear, but when clicked on, have no effect. Main issue is the missing customized editing toolbar. Whenever that is present, zooming buttons work fine. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Reinstalled the original code which contains the customizations, please check now..IneuwPublic (talk) 17:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: No go. That is, no changes. Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It just occurred to me, if you wish to infinitely control the enlargement and minimization of the page image, the click on the image, and use the mouse's scroll wheel. Would this be what you are looking for? As for the three magnifier icons, they work for me using your setup.IneuwPublic (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Clicking on the image/scroll wheel has no effect. Again, main issue is the missing customized editing toolbar. Whatever is preventing that from appearing also seems to be disrupting zoom ability. Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
What special gadgets are you missing? This is not clear to me.IneuwPublic (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I meant to write "Click the image with the left mouse button (the arrow should be on the image) and the use the scroll wheel to change image size." — Ineuw talk 17:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
(ec) @Ineuw: Editing toolbar should look like your screenshot from yesterday at File:Ljb setup.jpg, only with side-by-side editing. Sorry, I thought you were aware. To add, clicking the image still has no effect. Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Please try now.IneuwPublic (talk) 17:54, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ineuw: No, unfortunately. Should I try deleting cookies, or is that not an issue?

Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for all the trouble. Will be away from computer for a bit. Will check back. Feel free to take a break from looking into this if it becomes exasperating. At your leisure, Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It's no trouble, in the middle of it all some 90 minutes ago, my router crashed. Couldn't repair it so after for a hour, I went to an internet café,and that's where I am at the moment. — Ineuw talk 21:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Although, I lost the post because of the broken router, and I don't remember what I wrote. In any case, there is no har in deleting the cookies any time you suspect something is wrong. I made a change earlier, and after deleting the cookies, please try again. — Ineuw talk 21:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

just to shorten the scroll[edit]

I also checked, and Wikimedia installed a new software upgrade this morning. I hope it's not the cause. P.S: Please dont apologize. Retired Wikisourcians can be tired, but not impatient. :-) — Ineuw talk 21:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I deleted cookies again, but no difference. I may have to step away from the computer again soon... Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It's important that you open a new page for each look at the editing layout. The opening of a new page refreshes the edit setup. — Ineuw talk 22:28, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Yup. Opened up a few random WS pages in edit mode with same negative results. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:54, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Let me think about it and will post some screen shots from my copy of your setup. Until then, please take a break. I also have to move my WiFi operations somewhere else. Too much coffee and the battery must be recharged. — Ineuw talk 22:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I will take a break, but it is you doing all the work! Coffee is in my plans as well. I'll check back. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Is this the layout you need? File:LJB setup restored on IneuwPublic Chrome.pngIneuwPublic talk 00:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
The layout (side-by-side) is correct, but not the toolbar. Correct toolbar would be LJB desired custom toolbar.jpg. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: To clarify, in this image -> File:LJB setup restored on IneuwPublic Chrome.png there are three bars. The lower two bar is the advanced editing bar one bar. The top bar is NOT part of the toolbar it is known as the Charinsert. I moved the Charinsert bar back to its original position at the bottom below the footer as is shown in this image -> File:Charinsert on the bottom.jpg Please check your editing layout now and let me know if this is what you want. — Ineuw talk 03:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Sept 14, 2016[edit]

The "wrong" toolbar is still present. The layout is correct. Londonjackbooks (talk) 09:48, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
My apologies, needed to recover lost sleep and hope I am not too late for class. Are you able to get work done?

I assume that what you are referring to as "The wrong toolbar", is the one that shows "Insert" on the left? If that is so, then click on the arrow to the right of the word "Insert" and this opens a dropdown list of various choices. at the bottom of that list, select "User" and let me know if that is what you are looking for. The "User" selection is lost when the cookies were deleted and this is one of the personal preferences stored in the Wikisource cookies. — Ineuw talk 16:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Nutshell[edit]

@Ineuw:

Current, undesired toolbar:

LJB undesired custom toolbar.jpg

Desired, "lost" toolbar:

LJB desired custom toolbar.jpg

Explanation

  1. I wish to recover my "lost" toolbar, which contains customized buttons for emdash, endash, break, ref, etc.
  2. I do not have any issues with the insert toolbar.
  3. When the current, undesired toolbar is present, zooming does not work (whether using buttons or mouse scroll).

Hoping that explains things sufficiently. I will be away from the computer again for a time. My editing times have been sporadic. Thank you for all your time! Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Got it. — Ineuw talk 17:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for wasting your time, I now understand what you are referring to: Author: mdash, ndash </br> and <ref></ref>.. This custom script was added by GOIII, and it is way above my pay grade. Think that I can add the missing tools to the CharInsert "User" bar, but without buttons, it will display as text. — Ineuw talk 18:55, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
For the record, my time was not wasted :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki language and text coding used in Wikisource[edit]

I don't like to disappoint, but I must express the opinion that the chances of getting the custom buttons back are slim. I say this because I also had this same custom coding from GOIII and after awhile it stopped working. I suspect that the code is dependent on the vagaries of the Wikimedia software changes, and we did have a software update 1-2 days ago. But, I posted this issue on the Scriptorium/Help in the hope that it's possible to repair it.

Another solution would be to use a keyboard macro system for every imaginable task one uses on WS. The list of what I use it for can be seen HERE. Any keyboard key combination can be assigned to any action as you wish. The advantage is that the software is free, and it's not dependent on Wikisource changes and it works with any Windows operating system, from XP to Windows 10. It's a very sophisticated and highly thought of softwarea and I am not the only one uses it here in Wikisource. The software is downloadable from here and the installation is simple, and I offer my help to step you through it, explain, and write the code. All you need to do is let me know which key combination you want to use for which action. — Ineuw talk 20:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ineuw: Thanks for posting at the Scriptorium. If, in the end, I can not get my customized toolbar back, I may look into your solution above. There are really only two buttons that I use frequently when proofreading poetry: emdash and <br /> (the latter being crucial). I will wait to get input from the Scriptorium, and will let you know if I need assistance with your alternate solution. Thanks for your help and time, and apologies if I did not explain myself clearly at the outset. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:18, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
I added both to your "User" CharInsert bar. Please let me know if it's OK. — Ineuw talk 21:54, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Thank you. Is it possible to do the following:
  1. Move charinsert bar above the header
  2. change </br> to <br /> ? Then I will give it a shot. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Done, please check. Ty. — Ineuw talk 01:53, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: That is workable! Thank you, Ineuw! :) Only issue now is the zoom buttons do not work. Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:10, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Copied your setup into my public persona account again, and set all my preferences to be like yours so that our setup is identical. In the side by side editing mode, for some reason the zoom doesn't work initially but got it working by clicking to switch the view to over|under editing (where zoom always works) and switched back to side by side edit mode, and the zoom works. I tested this several times, logged out, deleted the cookies, logged in, and it still works. For now, please use this method until we find the source of the problem, and again please let me know if it works for you. — IneuwPublic talk 03:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Up until now all tests were done in Chrome to match your work environment. Then, I returned to Firefox and logged in as User:IneuwPublic as in Chrome, and uploaded two screenshots, one in Chrome and another in Firefox. Notice the difference between browsers, including the zoomed out page in Firefox.
By the way I copied your common.js after you restored the missing code. — Ineuw talk 03:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: Thanks for discovering a temporary troubleshoot for zooming. Works for me as you. Re: your screenshots: Once in a blue moon the [desired] customized toolbar appears for me in Chrome; do I infer from your screenshots that things appear stable in Firefox? Could the issue be browser-related? Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
I had the same exact experience in Chrome, an occasional glimpse of the toolbar. It's not a question of stability, both are very stable. It's the interpretation of the the Wikimedia software by the browsers. Although I am a Firefox aficionado, I try working with both, but in my experience Firefox is better overall. I would recommend you to keep have both, as a backup and comparison. — Ineuw talk 16:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
@Ineuw: I used Firefox briefly some years ago; can't remember exactly why I made the change. I am so used to Chrome at this point, but will keep the backup option open. Thank you, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Sept 20, 2016[edit]

Can you test the magnifying system in your normal editing mode without clicking on the horizontal/vertical icon (the icon which always reminds me of the gallows.) It was supposed to be repaired. — Ineuw talk 00:16, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

@Ineuw: Magnifying now works when both desired and undesired editing toolbars are present. At least for now, desired toolbar is appearing more often than not (undesired editing toolbar appears first, then switches to desired customized toolbar a second later). Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
What you call "undesired" is the standard advanced toolbar on which GOIII applied his magic, so it will show up or "flash by" until the the script modifications of GOIII take over. They are seen because javascript language is slow. I have the same experience with other javascript modifications. — Ineuw talk 03:20, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, got it, thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 09:44, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Bot that archives[edit]

Hi. In case it is of interest, user:wikisource-bot is doing user talk page archiving on a regular basis to a person's preferred configuration. The template to use on your talk page, with the configuration options, are displayed on that page. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I have added the link to my helpful links section. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

De Regimine Principum, Ad Regem Cypri[edit]

Will you be doing more work on De Regimine Principum, Ad Regem Cypri? If so, I'll move it to Translation ns, but if not I'd delete it since only one sentence has been translated. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:27, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: I will probably not work on it further. I wish there was an english version available to transcribe; I would contribute in a heartbeat to such a project. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:44, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there are several texts I also wish had free translations. Oh well. I'll delete this one for now. Thanks. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)