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Thanks for the speedy deletions of Songs of Peace titles; there will be more in the coming days,—apologies if you're the recipient. Some time ago I thought it would be smart to link the titles to a text in anticipation of an added Index, but I have since found a collected volume, and am regretting that call now. Have a good one, Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

No worries, happy to be assistance. Have a good day! Hesperian 02:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Hesperianbot images removal[edit]

Hi Hespaerian. Is it possible for you to delete the images your bot has created from Index:The Garden of Eden (Doughty).djvu because I have used the exact same filename to upload to commons and now I can't get my uploaded images to display, but the local wikisource images are displayed instead. Thanks for your help. Jpez (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jpez: Label the local images with {{NowCommons}} and the process will be to speedy delete the images. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:06, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks! Jpez (talk) 12:35, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Can you please not use the same filename. It's documented in various places that you need to use a different filename for the final images. Otherwise you confuse my bot. Hesperian 23:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jpez: as a follow up about naming. Commons likes a good descriptive name, and that is actually beneficial for anyone who may wish to use the image outside of the work. If you need some assistance to do some bulk renames, that I can easily do for you as I have rights here and there. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Also I see that there are images tagged for speedy deletion that are still being transcluded into page namespace via {{missing image}} AND that some of them have multiple images on one page. When these are deleted and the commons image behind shows through, the page is going to be a confusing mess. Hesperian 00:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Hesperian: Sorry I didn't know that we shouldn't use the same filename until now. About the mess and the multiple images, it doesn't really matter as I'll have them fixed soon and the work is still incomplete.
@Billinghurst: Can you please give me an example for how they should be named. Jpez (talk) 05:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Index:Transactions of the Natural History Society of Northumberland, Durham, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne (1867).djvu[edit]

There was a request at WS:Scriptorium/Help to assist in the completion of the work. I have edited some pages, whereupon I discovered that it is not transcluded. This work is more in line with works that you have done, so wondered whether you wish to poke it around, and fix the transclusion. If not, then I will look to give it some effort this week, or next. — billinghurst sDrewth

Meh. Very busy lately. I don't have much time for Wikisource, and prefer to use that time plodding along on Henry James. EncycloPetey would be another person you might talk to about this. Hesperian 00:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Wanted to check before presuming. Hope that the busy part of life is a good thing. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 00:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Yep. Bad-busy has passed. I'm in good-busy now. :-) Hesperian 00:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


Perfect. Moondyne (talk) 12:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

My pleasure. Hesperian 01:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

image confused[edit]

I took Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906.djvu and cleaned it up and it looks good on my PC, yet when uploaded to commons it looks this insipid washed out Lady Peel.png version. It is not browser, and the original version looks fine. Do you know what's going on with the image renderer? Yours confusedly. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed that when creating .png images vs. .jpg Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
<sigh> phabricator:T106516, whine applied — billinghurst sDrewth 12:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Or we just ditch the crap versions from the work and use Julia, Lady Peel - Lawrence 1827.jpg. Something can be said in not being true to a scan of a published work. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

You seem to have figured it out in my absence. Good stuff. Regarding introducing colour, I've never been comfortable with it; it's a slippery slope. Thus by definition, anything I might say against it can be dismissed as "slippery slop fallacy". I note you were much more forceful in your view three years ago. Perhaps in another ten years you'll have changed your mind! Hesperian 03:45, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The miscellaneous botanical works of Robert Brown[edit]

Hi, I’ve encountered this and thought it looks like the sort of thing I enjoy proofreading and have put it on my list, but it is missing Vol 3 so will probably be at the bottom of the pile. If you want it moved up, could you add Vol 3? Cheers, Zoe — Zoeannl (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Zoe. The first two volumes are online. The third volume, which is plates and illustrations only, isn't. I do have access to a physical copy, but all I could do with it is run it through an office scanner, which would take a long time, and I suspect the illustrations deserve better than that. I'll have a think about what can be done. Hesperian 00:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


I cannot work out what I have done to have the fromsection gobbled at Logic Taught by Love/Chapter 8. Done this many times, and <shrug>. Help? — billinghurst sDrewth 12:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

fixed? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:44, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
<facepalm> thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Joseph Dalton Hooker[edit]

Hi! You created Author:Joseph Dalton Hooker way back in 2010‎ from a public domain bibliography but didn’t cleaned it up later as you stated then in the edit summary. Are you in a position to do it now? If I were you I would simply nuke it and copy paste content from Portal:India#Flora. Solomon7968 (talk) 07:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I cleaned it up as per above. Do let me know what you think of it. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Meh. I don't think you have improved the page. I think you've thrown out a lot of important bibliographic information. Hesperian 00:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
@Solomon7968: The additions are useful, the removals are not. I believe that the ability to have the fullest possible listing of works is advantageous. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Ok I restored the removal as per you both. Solomon7968 (talk) 02:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Solomon, I do appreciate your desire to improve the page by archiving the 'dross' and bringing the major works into focus. And yes, the page is messy and has a lot of low-value entries with poor readability. But I do think that completeness is important. So I've created a "Selected works" section at the top and put into it the material that you had retained. Then a "Full list of works" section under it. This is perhaps more useful to the reader than either of our versions. What do you think? Hesperian 03:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

remove space before ' s[edit]

For your common.js & you’re welcome. —Maury (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Maury. I've no idea what you're saying. Hesperian 05:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
’allo Hesperian, It was what you wrote after an edit on a book page. On vague recall I edited some pages of your present work and all places where it should have word’s it instead had space and then word ’s. You made a note and I saw it. Nothing big I guess but I think you edited your common.js to correct that. In any case it was an excuse to say, " ’allo " to you friend, way down under. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 06:57, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the fixes. This work has an unusual typesetting that make it difficult to proof. Contractions have obvious spaces e.g. I 'll, We 've, They 're. The OCR has these spaces and I'm preserving them. Possessives sometimes have what might be a thin space but looks more like bad kerning. On the page it looks to me like father's, mother's, nurse's, etc., but the OCR sometimes comes out father 's, mother 's, nurse 's, etc. I'm removing those spaces, but I have to be careful not to remove the spaces in contractions that end in 's, such as what 's for what is. It's not easy when dealing with sentences like
It 's mama's carriage; mama 's home!
Fun 'n' games. Hesperian 03:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Hesperian, you are very welcome. You are a very dedicated man with all of those strange contractions. I thought it must be an ’Australian-in-anguish english thingy’. smiley It reminds me of how possessive England was and is. Too many of the words have "our" in them; honour, colour &c. The USA threw them out. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
    We had particularly excluded the space removal of ' and " from the script. It might be safer to right a separate script line that can be applied and judiciously watched, rather than merge to the existing cleaning script. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

We should disambiguate Author:Henry James …[edit]

as we have Author:Henry James (1803-1877), though there are lots of links, and he is one of your favourites. I'll let you ponder. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Rather annoying, but I don't see that "one of your favourites" is grounds for ignoring policy. Go ahead and move it, or leave it to me and I'll move and clean up over the next week. Hesperian 03:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
(duck, weave) I will leave it to you. I have enough maintenance queued awaiting my attention, while I take a few days off and actually transcribe new material. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
It's on my list.... Hesperian 00:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

oh, those beautiful purple squares or spotting image pages.[edit]

Hesperian, is it a lot of trouble for you to use your bot to mark image pages purple so that I know where all of the images are located? If not I ask it to be done to volumes 3-9. If it is then that’s okay and I thank you for any considerations. Index:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_2.djvu. —Maury (talk) 09:44, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Maury, it has been a long time since I put some time into a bot run. I will try to get onto it over the next few days. Hesperian 03:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
It isn’t a necessity, Hesperian, it just makes finding images easier. If it is a TASK please forget it because I will come to each image in due time. I am working on volume 2 of 9 volumes with volume 1 completed. So that leaves 3-9 volumes. I myself have no idea how difficult it is or isn’t to do a "bot run" or how long it takes. I certainly am not in any hurry. I do thank you for the kind reply and consideration though. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 14:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Hesperian, please cancel the above request. I may not be able to do all of the pages in all of those volumes. Someone who was working with me is rarely around any longer. Thank you for the consideration. —Maury (talk) 11:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Maury, happy to cancel the specific request, but I thank you all the same for the timely reminder that my bot needs to be run. I'll likely end up tagging those image as a matter of course. Hesperian 01:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello again, Hesperian. I came by to say that I agree the Hesperian bot should run again lest it become rusty and outdated. Please do make the image pages on volumes 3-9 purple. But no need whatsoever to state they need an image inside because that is an annoyance to me since I have to delete every one before inserting the image. I just want to know where each image or three within a cell is located. Two excellent editors are working with me now doing the text so I can focus on the hundreds of images. When can you start and how much do you charge ? (in USA coinage, I distrust the Euro, British pound, or Aussie Sea-Shells [especially the "sand-dollar"] in monetary exchanges.) :D Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Howdy. My bot works by uploading page scans for pages that are tagged with {{missing image}} or {{raw image}}. If it uploaded page scans for every Problematic (purple) page, then it would be uploading an awful lot of useless scans of pages that are problematic for some reason other than missing an image. Therefore I have to take these pages as missing an image if you want the bot to upload image scans for them. Hesperian 00:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
uh oh! Please, no, do not place missing images or raw images unless I come here and say "I quit the Cassell volumes" Otherwise please don’t do anything on these volumes. There are hundreds of images, often 3-5 images on one page. I really dislike having to remove "missing image" or "raw image" when I can see there is a missing image. That’s just extra work and I have a long way to go as it is. Thank you for that explanation on your bot. —Maury (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

wikilink question[edit]

Hello. In Page:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu/18 ["Thus the story of Sinon and the taking of Troy was copied (says Macrobius) almost word for word from Pisander"], you linked to Author:Peisander of Laranda – but it's hard to see how Virgil could have copied from an author who lived two centuries after him. (Maybe Macrobius was referring to Peisander of Camirus, though this is unlikely; because we can't settle this question, I don't think we should link to either author.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Unlinked. Thanks and sorry for the misattribution. Hesperian 10:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
It's not your misattribution. Maybe the wikilink is fine, I don't know: it shouldn't be up to Wikisource to conceal the mistakes of authors (in this case of Macrobius – or of a scribe, if "copied by Pisander" was changed to "copied from Pisander"). But thanks for your consideration. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

per redundancy[edit]

Per your question about Out of the Eons, the page is a duplicate of Out of the Aeons, and also gives a later date.--Auric (talk) 21:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

That's not quite a complete view. The version with the earlier date purports to be a transcription of the original manuscript. The version with the later date is a published copy of the work in Weird Tales, and may therefore be edited and not identical. In any case, we would not want to replace or remove the published copy. And assuming that the manuscript transcription can be properly sourced as such, then the two copies should have a version page .--EncycloPetey (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments on talk pages[edit]

I agree with you, so I am not going to enter into further discussions, other than to ask if you think I should post an apology notice (concerning the project suggestion on User talk:BethNaught (now removed.)?.

I've put the wikibreak template on my User page, for the following reasons.

  1. There needs to be a cool-down/time-out.
  2. I've noticed some backlogs on another project.
  3. I wanted to get something on la wikisource "entered"

When I come back to English Wikisource, I'd like to continue re-checking the contested work, with mentoring support if that is acceptable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: user:Captain Nemo[edit]

I realise (in 20/20 hindsight) it was not your original intention to continue the vote upon Wikisource:Administrators#Captain_Nemo_2. Nevertheless it is probably best to "clear the air" upon a potentially borderline matter. Especially since it is one where I would otherwise not have expressed an opinion as rather have said nothing about somebody who I felt rather ambivalent about. AuFCL (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Featuring Henry James[edit]

Are you still working on Henry James? We still have some slots open to feature texts this year, including June and November, and James' last novels were published posthumously in 1917, exactly 100 years ago this year. So if you were to finish one of them in time, we could feature it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Petey,
Yes, I am, but I'm working through them in order, and only up to 1899, so disinclined to leap ahead to 1917.
However, Index:The Aspern Papers.djvu (1888) and Index:Two Magics.djvu (1898) are both fully validated and transcluded. Both first editions. The later contains The Turn of the Screw, an extremely famous novella.
Plus there are a further 29 works proofread by me but not yet validated; if you want to get one validated, take your pick!
Hesperian 09:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Hesperian, may I work on validating one of those you have mentioned to EncycloPetey. If so which would be a good one that EncycloPetey mentions as June or November by Henry James that could possibly be featured? I’ve validated a couple of your books in the past. Perhaps EncycloPetey and I could validate together to make sure one would be ready by June or November. Possibly we can match the month with the story. Leaves falling for November. —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Maury. Of course you may. I didn't quite catch the context from what you said there, but the following are complete Henry James texts awaiting validation: The Europeans (London: Macmillan & Co., 1878),Yes check.svg Done Washington Square, The Pension Beaurepas, A Bundle of Letters (2 volumes, London: Macmillan & Co., 1881), A Landscape Painter (New York: Scott and Seltzer, 1919)Yes check.svg Done , Gabrielle de Bergerac (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1918)Yes check.svg Done , Watch and Ward (Boston: Houghton, Osgood & Co., 1878),Yes check.svg Done Travelling Companions (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1919), A Passionate Pilgrim and Other Tales (Boston: James R. Osgood & Co., 1875), Master Eustace (New York: Thomas Seltzer, 1920), An International Episode (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1879)Yes check.svg Done , Confidence (London: Macmillan & Co., 1921)Yes check.svg Done , The Portrait of a Lady (London: Macmillan & Co., 1881), Tales of Three Cities (Boston: James R. Osgood & Co., 1884), The Author of Beltraffio, Pandora, Georgina's Reasons, The Path of Duty, Four Meetings, The Bostonians (London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1886)Yes check.svg Done , The Princess Casamassima (3 volumes, London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1886)Yes check.svg Done , The Reverberator (1 volume, American issue, London and New York, Macmillan & Co., 1888), The Lesson of the Master, The Marriages, The Pupil, Brooksmith, The Solution, Sir Edmund Orme (New York & London: Macmillan & Co., 1892), The Tragic Muse (London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1890), The Real Thing and Other Tales (New York & London: Macmillan & Co., 1893), The Private Life, Lord Beaupré, The VisitsYes check.svg Done , The Wheel of Time, Collaboration, Owen WingraveYes check.svg Done , Terminations (New York: Harper and Brothers, 1895)Yes check.svg Done , Embarrassments (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1897), The Other House (London: William Heinemann, 1896), The Spoils of Poynton (London: William Heinemann, 1897), What Maisie Knew (Chicago & New York: Herbert S. Stone & Co., 1897), In the Cage (London: Duckworth, 1898) Yes check.svg Done , The Soft Side (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1900), The Awkward Age (New York: Harper and Brothers, 1899)Yes check.svg Done . The ones on that list of most literary significance are The Portrait of a Lady, The Spoils of Poynton and What Maisie Knew. However James' three most acclaimed novels (The Ambassadors, The Golden Bowl, The Wings of the Dove) are all late-career works that I haven't gotten up to yet. I'm going to do The Wings of the Dove next. If you're looking for something to validate in November (or to validate in time to feature in November), it might be best to wait for that one. Hesperian 08:50, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
The Novels and Tales of Henry James/Volume 1 (Roderick Hudson) (1907) Yes check.svg Done --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
The Novels and Tales of Henry James/Volume 2 (The American) (1907) Yes check.svg Done --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
A London Life, The Patagonia, The Liar, Mrs. Temperly (1 volume, American issue, London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1889) Yes check.svg Done --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Please check where I removed what appeared a stray I but I’m not sure. —William Maury Morris IITalk 15:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

1. The Europeans (London: Macmillan & Co., 1878),Yes check.svg DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 09:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

2. A Landscape Painter (New York: Scott and Seltzer, 1919)Yes check.svg DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 10:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

3. Gabrielle de Bergerac (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1918)Yes check.svg DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 00:06, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

4. Watch and Ward (Boston: Houghton, Osgood & Co., 1878),Yes check.svg DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 00:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Golly! Everyone seems to have been validating Henry James at the same time! I'm very grateful that these have been progressed so far! Hesperian 04:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
With all the validating going on, it might even be possible early next year to feature more than one Henry James work in a month on a rotation (we've done that before). It would be great to show off all this dedication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Added a comment to your book[edit]

Hey Hesperian,

I added a warning on the scan page to those like me who would just start working on it as it looks like a nearly complete work that should be capped off. Cheers! -- Jasonanaggie (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

You failed to sign that comment too. People might wonder who the author is. G’Day, —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

One more Henry James - Index:The Novels and Tales of Henry James, Volume 13 (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1908).djvu[edit]

I've found one of your indexes that you seem to have forgotten about from 2014, which has'nt been Proofread. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 23:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kathleen,
No, not forgotten, the list I provided Maury was just a list of proofread ones. I haven't proofread that one because I ended up proofing each of the stories in it in other collections.
Hesperian 00:05, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


what do I have to do to get time to have the 3 year lost lunch ? Jarrah Tree (talk) 05:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


Just in case it is of interest and helpful, I have created Template:Atlantic Monthly link to standardise input/output. I will shortly be running a bot through Author: ns to update the myriad of links that have recently appeared. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


Please undelete it to facilitate Wikisource:Scriptorium#Consider Wikisource a library (for U.S. copyrite law). If the community opposes proposed tolerance (not encouragement), I may request deleting it again. Thanks.--Jusjih (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Done. Hesperian 01:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)