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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

Full names[edit]

Hi there, I need some help to figure out the full name of two biographers:

Solomon7968 (talk) 11:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Solomon7968: Boulger, Demetrius Charles, 1853-1928, and Innes, John James McLeod 1830-1907 ‎— billinghurst sDrewth 11:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh god, I spent ages on that. You are a great resource, thank you. Solomon7968 (talk) 12:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC) for those — billinghurst sDrewth 12:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
And I spent ages on ODNB, Google Books... , will keep it in mind in future. Solomon7968 (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I will try to remember to do a page of source material for searching for authors, and section out extra sources to which I have access. There are already some sources added to my user page, but I can see value in making it more general, maybe something like Help:Identifying authors that links (back and forth) with Help:Author pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
A really good idea... and I think it would be particularly helpful for authors who mostly wrote for academic journals/newspapers/portions of one book under the editorship of another author (say DNB articles or example this case, I can’t find anything for the authors in VIAF.) Solomon7968 (talk) 06:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

POTM award[edit]

Hello Billinghurst, last award was a surprize, while I cannot in full consciousness deny that I took part in some of the works, because I have been sweatshop kind of busy lately but still visited Wikisource, without fixed objectives. How do you find out about contributors participation and judge about their eligibility for awards? I would like to look into my contributions critically and try to organize my work better given your advice. Best regards and thanks for your many good works, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@Tar-ba-gan: PotM is a participation award where we celebrate any contribution to our goals, without qualification or quantification measures. November is validation month where we try to concentrate on finishing other people's contributions, and when I went through the works that we validated, your contributions were there.

If you are looking for how to track your contributions, then apart from just looking at your list, or at the "related changes" link from an Index page, you can always look to use the supercount tool at Toollabs: ("Edit count" link at the bottom of your contributions) and for a fuller analysis set up a configuration file m:Special:MyPage/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js (it just needs to be created, the content is irrelevant). Here is mine as an example 23:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! My work at the moment lack structure, thanks to having part-times in 6 different places that are quite away from each other. I did make edits to all works mentioned, but I feel like I have to remove 2 where I feel I did not do much.
I have 1 more question. I have been unable to find out anything about James Hutson, a missionary in Sichuan, China, around early 20th century (he had some similarly named colleagues in China too). It is only known that he wrote this book: Index:Chinese Life in the Tibetan Foothills.djvu and yes I tried VIAF (not for very long tho) and I generally am good at web search and author investigation, so this is tough and I have to ask for your help. TIA, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 13:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Found author, and have populated data. I will leave the Wikidata for you (just in case), though if you don't want to do that, then please let me know and I will get it done. For the birth details, I am relying on the family tree research as being correct; I didn't verify. There may be an obituary in The Times for 1929-01-08>+, if you have access to a resource with access, especially as it was a London death. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I didn't have a clue! Sorry, these days won't be able to do anything much at all on the web, please add info as you wish (and I have but a very vague idea of access to The Times) Tar-ba-gan (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I didn't see anything in the Times for 1929. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-50[edit]

17:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Consistency: Collective work link[edit]

In {{Collective work link}}, I am wondering what you found inconsistent about the period. Many times I and others put comments after the citation, and they look a little awkward now without the period. See, for example, William Wallace. I think that template had a period for an awful long time, and I would appreciate it if it could be restored. Library Guy (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Author pages have generally not had the use of terminating periods, hence there was inconsistency. I have added a comment field to {{EB1911 link}} and this will add your terminating period when you have an additional comment. I will run my bot through and grab all comments into the templates. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Library Guy (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I have seen two styles in author page citations. There is the style that terminates with a year in parentheses (no period). There is another style that imitates the "Cite" style in Wikipedia, which does terminate with a period. I still can see no basis for your claim. Library Guy (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

How to convert Bugzillas into Tasks[edit]

Saw your request on Phabricator to open a tracking project and thought you should know -- all the existing bugzilla designations were imported into phabricator with a + offset of 2000 and the addition of a prefix; the letter T.

( 35925 + 2000 = 37925 ) ; prefix that result with ' T ' and you're on your way.

Plus any live bugzilla link should redirect itself to Phabricator by now too. -- George Orwell III (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Firstly I would have needed to remember the dratted tracking number, which I didn't, and would never have going forward. It was suggested to me that for what we are doing across WS that a project was more amenable to our needs. <shrug> They can come up with whichever solution that they think best. smileybillinghurst sDrewth 01:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

British author names[edit]

Hi, Are we supposed to retain words like "Sir", "Lord", "Marquis", "Marquess", "Earl" while creating author pages or we need to strip them off? Also is this peculiar to British authors? Solomon7968 (talk) 20:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Also Viscount and Baron. Solomon7968 (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Those are titles, and not part of the author's name. They might appear in the blurb summarizing the author's identity, but should not be part of the pagename in the Author: namespace. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Peerages have been noted in the description, and there are some that have been placed into the first/last name fields, and not changed. With the honorific "Sir" there are many cases of it being used in the first name component and where this has happened, we enforce the use of the defaultsort parameter, reason being is that it is harder to separately note a knighthood in the description, and it is only display anyway. We did move the author pages (leaving redirects) to not have page names with titles, or honorifics, though I cannot say that we have done an audit recently to check whether more have been created. So in short, not to use titles or honorifics in page name, though, there has been use in author fields, and where used then make sure that defaultsort parameter is added. Do feel welcome to utilise redirects for titles where it is a commonly used and unique for a person, eg. Lord Byron, but not for Duke of Buckingham as there have been many of those.

It is one of those situations where we are rule-guided, so if you think that you have a good case create it and discuss it on WS:S. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks both. The Lord Byron=George Gordon Byron sums it up well, I have got some similar situation. Solomon7968 (talk) 09:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-51[edit]

16:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Author page request[edit]

Hi! Can you please help with the death-year and authority control of Author:Kshitish Chandra Sen? I found the birth-year at this site, but am unable to find the death-year. Hrishikes (talk) 04:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Indian biographical resources are not something with which I am particularly knowledgeable, especially not later in the 20th century. Apologies as I don't think that I can be much help. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks still for digging out the resources on talk page, from which I have included the 1949 work in his translation list. Hrishikes (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Addendum: I have tracked this author upto 1964. He passed B.A. from Cambridge, was in the I.C.S. from 1913 to 1948, retired as judge of Bombay High Court, later headed India's Industrial Tribunal and West Bengal Police Commission and did a translation for Swami Vivekananda Centenary Committee in 1964. More is beyond me. Can you please review the position to see if more can be unearthed, to substitute the query mark at his death-year? Hrishikes (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
@Hrishikes: You are going to need someone with good research skills for Indian biographical information. The person sounds like they are notable, and as such would do with articles at enWP and the respective Indic language WPs. It would be more worthwhile consulting with those who specialise in modern Indian biographies. I have no clue about any .in biographical, and any newspaper obituary may be in English speaking Indian newspaper archives, or the local newspapers. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Apology - template deletion[edit]

I apologise for deleting all those templates, and to make amends I've been going through the Uncategorised Template list and putting templates from that into the appropriate category -- where known. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 09:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Apology isn't necessary, misunderstandings occur, and it was readily fixable, and they were not all bad deletions, and obviously we needed to do more to identify their use. Thanks for the work that you do. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


Hello Billinghurst,

thanks for your greetings. I am not every day in the en:wikisource, mostly in the en:wikipedia, so I will redirect my page here to en:wp. Thanks again and let me know if I can help you. --Keysanger (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-52[edit]

16:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-01[edit]

16:51, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

William Dodd[edit]

I have created a wikipedia bio for him which you might cast your eye over. The main non primary source I could find was the school history site. If you know of another then that would be useful. Best for new year. Victuallers (talk) 09:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Wow! Many thanks for your efforts in that place. There is next to no genealogy records for the bloke, and 1841 census was going to take lots of effort for presumably little reward. US census for 1850 and 1860 didn't show anything likely. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

A Voice from the Factories[edit]

If alright with you, I can validate the poem and make formatting changes eliminating shift-left and adding gaps... but only if you wish for the changes to be made; otherwise, I can just validate as is. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Adding gaps and removing shift left would seem pointless to me for no benefit for a supposition of one thinks is better when a work is block centred anyway. Taht said do as you please. I have moved on. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-03[edit]

16:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The Laboring Classes of England[edit]

Your brilliant work is now validated .... what happens now? Victuallers (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Victuallers: We find relevant pages to add it enWP where the addition of a contemporaneous work for the period of the article can be support this as further reading. I need to get off my arse to add it to WD. Then I find other quirky works by lesser known authors, pamphleteers, ... and start on them. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - actually I couldnt see how to change its status as it didnt seem obvious. I can see its done now. Pity that we/I missed a chance to get it mentioned at DYK if William Dodd article ran there. However, its an interesting story. Victuallers (talk) 17:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template[edit]

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

President Kocharyan's interview to Armenian National TV 02/11/2000[edit]

I left a comment, would you care to clarify or follow up? Jeepday (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 13:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-04[edit]

18:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Request your input[edit]


I've come to the realization what I thought I knew about IRC from 15 years ago apparently no longer applies (if it ever did). I tried to catch Technical 13 before he vanished back into IRC but I missed him as well.

Not that he is the only one in particular that can help, but can you get on there and draw attention to my post left on his talk page? Somebody has got to have a better way re: the same vein as that whole "jumpy" license banner effect I botched the other day that you caught. TIA. -- George Orwell III (talk) 04:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I have poked his IRC nick, and will watch for when he awakens. We generally are on different timezones with slim overlap. You could poke their page at m:user talk:Technical 13 they do haunt that one. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I did manage to get T13 at the end of their day. So you may wish to ping them again. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-05[edit]

16:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)