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SHSP redux

George, I do not know if this is proper or not but I do think the situation needs to be resolved, or let go. MOve it to my talk page if you prefer but it came from Adam's page. I hereby paste the following:--

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34 SHSP volume splits

Hello again; hope this finds you and your's well...

After resolving an issue or two in the series of SHSP volumes, I see some of the DjVu files are actually bundles of 2 or 3 volumes a pop. Not clear if you were the actual uploader or not but in case you were, would you mind if I split them up into individual volumes? I understand from William Maury Morris II the volumes were indeed bound and published as separate volumes as well. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to go ahead. I was the uploader but I only noticed a few combined volumes at that time; I only realised the majority were also combined when I tried to add page numbering to the index pages. (I didn't split the bundles I knew about because I lost my DjVu software in a computer crash a while ago—I've only recently re-downloaded DjVuLibre—and I've never actually practiced splitting files. I didn't want to hold everything up.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] 35 Were the SHSP 'volume splits' ever done?

George or Adam, or whomever —

Were the SHSP volumes ever split? It does not *appear* to have been done but they should be split no matter who knows how and is willing to do that properly. There are 52 volumes totaled. None are combined. Thank you, —William Maury Morris II Talk 20:59, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

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Kindest regards, —William Maury Morris II ^Talk 21:43, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I still have this on my to-do list - all I need is the free time & there are things listed before it as well. Sorry. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

This presents no problem to me, George. I fully understand having other things to do. Any good worker always has other things to do and sets priorities. My curiosity was whether when splitting the volumes *would it affect any proofread text* since the SHSP volume pages and "deju" page numbers are different. Respectfully, —William Maury Morris II ^Talk 22:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

PSM Volume 47

Hi. The purpose of my posting in the Scriptorium about this bad volume, was to respect your precious time on the site and not ask you to waste it on my issues. This is one of the responsibilities of people like me who acquired this luxury through aging. :-)

To make this post short, first I want thank you, and second, I would suggest to recreate the volume from scratch, rather than running a bot. It's not worth your, or other editors/admins' time.

Nothing is lost. I have a record of where the images are, and who validated them. The two proofread text of inner cover pages were also preserved. I also have the accurate page index from the end of the volume, through which I learned of the missing pages. Remapping the pages on the index and recalculating the djvu number relation to the page numbers for the TOC & the Index is all routine. Appleton's did adhere to a fairly standard layout for the volumes and the new copy is part of this standard. I would only need the re-creation of the pages (which is also a bot). — Ineuw talk 20:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries - I actually like problem solving if you can believe that.

Even less is gained by trying to [re]create the Index and all the Pages. You see; you can't just delete the Index and that takes care of all 900 pages as well (i.e - in order to retain the same naming convention for a brand new Index: to match the other 70 volumes, the Page names/titles within an Index must be available --> you can't just easily redirect 900 of them from some other name/title without making a huge pointles mess either). So it boils down to fixing ~300 pages by moving them or delete 900 followed recreating the same 900 but with different OCR'd text (I see little difference between the old and new text layers but admittedly I did not look at more than a dozen pages here & there).

The absolute worst practice on en.WS is letting a bot/script create all the Pages under an Index before verifying the PageList to thumbnail numbering. A simple insertion of 2 blank place holder pages prior to creating the 900 or so Pages in Volume 47 (or Volume 43 for that matter) would have allowed editing to continue without these headaches popping up months later and we could have still swapped to better and better quality DjVu's on Commons as they became available without affecting Proofreading and/or transclusion at all. The absolute worst case scenario is the insertion of missing pages after the fact (swapping or deleting duplicate pages - pages that in essence act as place-holders the same way a blank insertion does - are just a matter of minutes in editing plus the time to upload the fixed DjVu to Commons; the caveat being how long it takes to actually locate the missing pages with their content and converting them to DjVu's for insertion/replacement of course). You, my friend, are just having a run of some bad luck after fixing the previous volumes before 43 & 47 fairly easily. Such is life.

Anyway, you need to make some noise to get the bulk-move-Bot ball rolling instead of asking for tables, reports, etc. on one PSM thing or the other in the interim while these 2 volumes remain in a state where they really should not be touched in the slightest until straightened out first. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Your answer clarifies numerous mysteries and provides a better insight & understanding. I will post the required requests at Bot requests, but first, I will also place notices on the Index: pages as well. Thanks again.— Ineuw talk 23:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Done -- Bulk move completed -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

At this juncture, I can only offer my thanks for your efforts, since (in biblical context), I've already given away all my livestock. Thanks for all your help. Also, remaining truthful as always, this note of thanks is almost identical to the one I posted to Inductiveload. — Ineuw talk 04:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Position Statement Regarding RRT’s Providing IV Care to Pediatric Patients During Transport

I am not sure what to think. Document on its own and not in any context, the categorisation, and probably the copyright. I converted to override_author. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

At first glance, it doesn't appear to pass copyright being the Board's positions doesn't seem to be part of the State's actual code (T.C.A. § 63-27-102(4)(A)), but pursuant to it. The rationale for allowing State laws compared to Federal law is the Supreme Court's rulings stating people should have access to the rules they must follow and abide by. Of course it still could be in PD if placed into it but I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble of running that to ground if we go CopyVio. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

DjvuToXml

I replied here to you. --Alex brollo (talk) 11:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

True History of the Profound Mexico

Thanks a lot for the help, saved me a lot of time. Learning something new everyday.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 15:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Additional PSM pages need replacement

Hi. At your convenience and whenever you have the chance, could you kindly replace four pages of Index:Popular Science Monthly Volume 22.djvu marked as problematic? They are not insertions, just direct replacements and the required text layer, and no pages need to be shifted. Regardless of what you see there, the IA attempt at correction, I carefully checked the pages previous and post replacements.

The replacement pages are prepared as .jpg images and are named:
File:PSM V22 D526 Page 510 Replacement.jpg
File:PSM V22 D527 Page 511 Replacement.jpg
File:PSM V22 D874 Page 854 Replacement.jpg
File:PSM V22 D875 Page 855 Replacement.jpg

Thanks in advance.— Ineuw talk 19:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. May I add exactly the same request for the problematic page (djvu page no=83, text page no=73) in Index:Popular Science Monthly Volume 10.djvu?

The replacement page is prepared as .jpg images and named:

File:PSM V10 D083 Page 083 Replacement.jpg

I realized i did not follow Ineuw's convention. FYI, I have asked the above file to be renamed as File:PSM V10 D083 Page 073 Replacement.jpg. Not sure if this will affect your work, sorry if this might create problems. --Mpaa (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks also from me. --Mpaa (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Should not be a problem. I'll take whack at the two during the coming weekend (hopefully). -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

A reminder in case this has gone under your radar. Unless I can't see the change due to something else. --Mpaa (talk) 16:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I did not forget - its been the holiday season (plus DjVu Libre has a never version out this month that I wanted to upgrade first) that hass been getting in the way. I'm shooting for before the end of the year. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks again! --Mpaa (talk) 22:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Layout two and my rendition of {{outside}}

I have just noticed that my rendition of {{outside}} doesn't do as well when displaying in Layout 2. While I generally hate {{left sidenote}} &c. it does display nicely in Layout 2. You are so much better at understanding html/css in creativity, rather than my work a solution and I was wondering whether I could ask for some advice/updates/fixes/aaagh. A page as an example Problems of Empire/Studies in Australia in 1896. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:31, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

In a nutshell (and after poking this a bit), your application of {{outside}} becomes muddled under Dynamic Layouts 2 & 3 because those have a sidenote-left and a sidenote right class defined and that is what is suppose to render side-notes in the mainspace as opposed to what is coded in the {{outside}} template "tree".

It is almost the same issue found with the Statues at Large Project when forcing all the side-notes to the right under Dynamic Layouts. On the one hand Layout 1 does not impose a fixed width nor absolute:relative positioning but you can't "see" the side-notes anyway in anything other than some floating box (i.e. no margins). This is not the case under Dynamic Layouts 2 and 3 only by chance because the idea is to force to the right where a template can "overflow" into the screen-space regardless of the widths and margins imposed by Dynamic Layouts (its whitespace to begin with in other words). The problem is the nearly same when forcing all-to-the-left only a bit worse since side-notes and page links back to the Page: namespace can, and frequently do, overlap each other thanks to the Dynamic layout settings in .js & .css.

What you're trying to accomplish, I think, is keeping the pagenum links all the way to the left up against the navigation, toolbox, etc. sidebar like you'd normally see in Layout 1, then have have all the side-notes fall in between those links and the end of the left margin of the text-container box under Layout 2. You are not going to have much luck using a template/templates that a.) drops any wrapping of a span class defined as sidenote-left or sidenote-right class; b.) uses float:left as part of its function when Dynamic Layout will always usurp that by floating it right out of view since it is expecting the use of absolute:positioning & left:em scheme instead. c.) introduces inline-block for unwanted inheritence by trying to pad with Gap when CSS is really what should have been used especially to avoid situations where the side-note is placed before the paragraph text start and finally d.) can never possibly work since there is a Common.css fixed 3em spacing always between the text box container & text-wrap (you'd need ~15em [15-3=12] for Oustside-left to work; 12em being the overall width of a normal left margin even under the old sidenotes begin/end routine developed -- thatis 12em where you could actually force all left side-notes to display properly).

The_Solar_System/Chapter_1 still being the "best" example of how all this Dynamic jazz was suppose to work with a no-frills, no-forcing Proofread, the solution hopefully becomes more clear -- be it inside or outside, if we are forcing all side-notes to one side or the other then we are losing the ~12em not in use in the mainspace. That ~12em should solve everybody's "needs" by allowing you to move the pagenum links out another 9em to the left so they don't interfere with all-left side-notes or break the all right side-notes mentality for legislative works. The 2 other things needed is removing mainspace headers and/or footers from the dynamic layout scheme and the ability to assign Layout 2 as the 1st click-in default layout for certain types of works (both proposals pretty much DOA since 1st proposed in WS:S btw) -- George Orwell III (talk) 07:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio keep

You have a number of entries at Wikisource:Possible copyright violations/Special discussion for pages tagged as PD-manifesto with simple votes of Keep. Can you take a look and see if you had a valid copyright reason for keeping them? On some others (now archived) you had provided CC3 license. Jeepday (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I provided all the "evidence" I could - Everything from November 4, 2008 to January 19 2009 was covered by an interim Change.gov CC3 license that eventually became the Whithouse.gov's CC3 license moving forward on through today. Until Obama is out of office and NARA formally sets up his Presidential Library, all the other stuff not falling into that date range can be construed as not in the public domain or have some sort of copyright protection(s). I'm not going to try and convince everybody Obama will indeed leave office one day, his Library will become part of the National Archives system sometime afterwards and all that other stuff will eventually be PD nice & proper anyway. Common sense doesn't get very far around here at times and I'm afraid this is one instance where only time will resolve the status of those works to the satisfaction of any majority. -- George Orwell III (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

... to expand upon the above since it is sure to come up in the coming 2012 election cycle -- the argument will be made that political/campaign speeches similar to those made prior to Obama being elected in Nov. 2008 should-not/can-not be considered works created in the course of a President's official Federal duties and thus do not fall under Title 17 and PD-USGov. This is absolutely correct given a particular point in time but works must be carefully weighed against (1) a near certain future of a Presidential Library being established in addition to (2) Obama's recognition and application of a CC 3.0 license in addition to normal Title 17 provisions for the first time in history (i.e. WhiteHouse.gov). Only the winner elected to President enjoys the benefit of having his campaign (the speeches, the Op-Eds, the debates, etc.) leading to that victory (re)archived in a formal Presidential Library by NARA after leaving office - making it 100% true that those 2007/2008 stump-speeches and policy positions cannot be hosted as of today (but that will not be the case for all time).

That said, the use of CC 3.0 to supplement normal Title 17 exclusions for the first time plus the introduction of a Daily Compilation of Presidential Documents by the Government Printing Office begining with the Obama Administration makes it rather hard to exclude the coming 2012 election cycle works - be they political in nature rather than created in the line of official duties. George Orwell III (talk) 23:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. We know I will have to delete the stuff currently without a clear CC 3.0 license, we also know it is not that hard to recreate it when available as PD. Jeepday (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

• Two left that are potential CC 3.0 I looked at the links in change.gov and the licenses did not jump out at me. If you are comfortable adding the correct template to the articles I will close them as keep. Jeepday (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

DONE. I added the 2 licenses and marked the entries closed/keep myself. If nobody else has said it, let me be the first - damn good job sticking with a nasty issue to its very end months later. I wish more unavoidable issues were treated that way persnonally. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

 :) Jeepday (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

template:header seems to be broken.

The {{DNB00}} is suddenly broken. I see that you recently modified {{header}}. Do you think there is a correlation here? -Arch dude (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh well. I'll revert the two MediaWiki changes until I can press further with this properly. Thanks for the heads up. -- George Orwell III (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! DNB00 is uses on more than 10,000 articles. The symptoms are:

• the title in the header is displayed in grey text instead of black text
• the page footer is displayed immediately after the header instead of at the bottom of the page.

I am a very experienced programmer with working knowledge of more languages than I can count, but I have never been able to figure out how that footer stuff works in our template system. -Arch dude (talk) 16:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Executive orders

Hello. You have mentioned my collection "donnelly collection" that was hosted on UHUH.com site. The sysop has been behind by many years and has not kept the collection updated. If you have any questions or comments just ask. There are over 3,000 orders in the collection with another 3,000+ in book form that is needed to be scanned. -- Ldonnelly9 (talk) 18:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your input and clarification ("we" had guessed that was the case pretty much anyhow). We are also in the process of providing scans to back up the transcriptions as well. Please check out the "current" list of compilations and/or indexes HERE. In addition, most EOs hosted on Wikisource issued prior to 1929 have links to their sources provided in an infobox found on its TALK PAGE whenever available. Any additional input or info you might have in this subject matter is more than welcomed. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Executive orders

There is a book which I have in my collection. CIS Index to Presidential Executive Orders and Proclamations. This is a huge index to this information and has become a valuable source to locating the number of the EO. While still may be under copyright the book sells for over 10k with another 5K for the supplemental books. —unsigned comment by Ldonnelly9 (talk) .

Ah... the infamous Congressional Information Service's Index last published in the 1980's if I remember right. Its not going to be PD anytime soon but GoogleBooks has it up so I don't how much longer that is going to last I guess. We figured the numbering is pretty solid from ~Hoover on forward to today so we just go by Cliff Lord's INDEX for the earlier EOs. Then it is just a matter of hunting them down in the various annual agency/Secretary reports, etc. instead of waiting for NARA to get around to it. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Devonshire thanks your amber to green

Thx for doing that. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 12:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

copyvio

Could you please see my answere to your question about possible copyvio. Thanks HAKmasnakic (talk) 21:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

sorry link was incorrectHAKmasnakic (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Walterjames123

Hello. I see you just blocked this user. Can you please remove this page ? (crosswiki spam). Thanks by advance. -- Quentinv57 (talk) 21:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Done -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Sidenotes rant

trimmed from proposed deletions - not relevant to that discussion

The "solution" to "trapped" sidnotes is to open to what amounts to a 3rd span tag at the end of the last cell on a page and close that span at the start of the following page before the first cell allowing span class 'pagenum' or 'sidenote-left(right)' somewhere to "land" in mainspace transclusion.

The problem is that several template variations (sidenotes outside or all left-to-right, etc.) strip the span class for sidenotes in the mainspace (making dynamic control over the span class completely moot) or strips the wrapping span tag altogether leaving no place for the sidenote to "land" in transclusion (other than before or after the entire table; not the table cell).

I remain opposed to deletion unless the God damn implementation of the God damn selectable first-click-in of a God damn dynamic layout for a God damn mainspace work is finally made permanent. If after that the sidenote issue(s) still cannot be properly resolved, then, and only then, will my position on preserving the current mess of individual workarounds such as these templates may provide ever change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm still confused as to what this has to do with the choice of the column formatting template. Both break sidenotes in the same way, as both use tables. This isn't about fixing or breaking the sidenotes: they are unaffected by the template choice. It's about consolidating the column formatting templates into a single set for ease of learning, maintenance, development and because the alternative has nicer options (like line, align and width). In fact, this problem is not limited to column formatting, but any table formatting combined with sidenotes.

As for the sidenote, the problem here is not the "stripping" of any classes, it's because Layout 1 floats the sidenotes to the right or left, and this is not enough to break the sidenote out of a table cell (the sidenote HTML code is inlined in the same place it occurs in the wikicode), whereas the position:absolute styling of Layouts 2 and 3 and the layout in the page NS are enough. However, using absolute positioning without clearing the margin à la Layouts 2 and 3 will cause the sidenote to overlap the text body, as it has been removed from the normal page flow. Jumping directly to default layouts is a workaround for this problem, not the other way around, as the problem will still exist under Layout 1. I suppose it could be done in the same general manner as the page numbers, by using Javascript, but I don't have the energy or time any more to fight that kind of change through the system. An alternative is to put the sidenotes in the other column of the table, but that breaks the desirable orthogonality between table layout and sidenote handling (they should not affect each other), and it makes maintenance harder if the sidenotes are "flipped".

I understand all this. Layout 1 will never provide any margin for sidenotes because the 3 div wrappers have no styling defined in the Common.js. This is why any number of additional wrapping, either by template(s) or by straight HTML, of the Pages line used for transclusion is taking place (making Layout 2 & 3 completely broken but we never hear about that since Layout 1 is somewhat forced to a some sort of margin in those cases on top of the use of specialized side-note inside/outside templates - templates that drop the main sidenote span class in order not to take the assigned Dynamic Layout settings/values). If every template created post the-2-basic-ones-first-developed kept the sidenote class, then making sidenotes all left or all right via js rather than by template becomes a snap to do (making the only issue left to resolve one of preference whether or not to have the text align right or left (your inside or outside variantions). -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd recommend moving this too either a sidenotes page or to one of the column templates' talks (I'd recommend multicol, as it's used by more than 8 pages). Inductiveload—talk/contribs 03:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

That said, I don't care that much about these templates, keep them if that makes you happy. I was originally trying to simplify the half-imported, half-maintained entropy-fest, and now I was clarifying why the deletion is unrelated to the sidenote issue at the request of another user who is valiantly clearing out this page. If it's still contentious, I don't care to argue about it. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 23:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

If none of these are being used as workarounds to force margins or whatever then I say whack 'em all too, but I'd prefer we make them obsolete en.WS-wide rather than just a matter of annoying housekeeping. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

They are not workarounds for anything, they are for formatting columns of text, and that's all. If editors are using them to force margins, they are doing it wrong. Since the CSS3 multi-column spec is still widely unsupported and won't do what we want even in the more compliant browsers for a while (the breaking the column where you demand is especially dodgy) or maybe ever (I not even sure they can do what we want, i.e. fix the break point absolutely), we're stuck with tables, and having a single well-specified template is a good thing. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 03:42, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Blame tables. Blame table-rows. Blame CSS. Blame column-cells Blame everything BUT the wikicode and its proofreading inter-action(s) during/after transclusion (made 1000% worse by pushed Dynamic Layouts). IMO, we're not "stuck"; we accept realities without measuring the consequences because it "works" for most of the regular contributors most of the time and in most instances for the majority of works hosted to date; case closed.

Look... using straight HTML for tables allows the pagenum class to render absolute across page breaks in the mainspace because the span has somewhere to "land" properly (i.e. between a <td> and </td> once transcluded). The same principle(s) for pagenum within a table across a page-break applies to a sidenote as well; the caveat being a larger margin being present. You can't accomplish this with the wiki-markup shortcut table code, as well as the entire set of table-ish templates based on that wiki-markup, because there is nowhere for the pagenum to "land" when trancluded (well not without even more convoluted coding taking place to be honest here). With wiki-mark-up, the column-cell is automatically closed (or opened, depending) prior to transclusion rather than during it - forcing the pagenum to the top of the table start rather than at the row where the page. I'm not going to go over well-covered territory once again; there is a quick and dirty example of a straight HTML table at the top of this page. The same table but transcluded from the Page: namespace & using wiki-markup is near the bottom of that same page. Hopefully folks can see "tables" or "templates" are not at fault there because the pagenum can be rendered absolute at the row where the page-break takes place -- just as sidenotes could be with some additional effort/tweaking. -- George Orwell III (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

• Firstly, this is still irrelevant to this deletion discussion.
• Secondly, the table you linked is broken for me (Firefox 8) - the cells are pushed one column over on the row where the page break happens.
• Thirdly, this is not the behaviour I have been talking about - I am talking about the failure of the sidenote to make it all the way over to the right hind side of the page when the sidenote template code is placed within a table cell. The behaviour of pagenums within tables is yet another unconnected matter.
• Fourthly, my problem is not the "fault" of the wikimarkup, it is caused by HTML layout rules being applied correctly to an incorrect set of HTML elements and CSS parameters for the job (which I can't seem to fix). DL isn't to blame, the sidenotes are (this problem exists with or without DL as long as the sidenote is not absolutely positioned). DL already makes sidenotes much more manageable in the general case, it's just a couple of pages where an unforeseen interaction with a table makes a mistake.
• Lastly, the pagenum problem you are talking about is probably the "fault" of the JS that does them. I don't understand the JS that lays out the pagenums very well, so I'm not able to help.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, I'm really not. I'd love to help as this issue is an ongoing problem. Here, I'm just trying to clean up a mess of old templates. I might consider looking at the side note issue and the pagenum issue in future, but I really don't have time for complex JS development followed by lengthy approval processes. However, this is not the forum for these issues.

Merry Christmas one and all. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 10:01, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Lou Gehrig's Farewell to Baseball

Thoughts on it status? — billinghurst sDrewth 11:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Unlikely to be PD for any number of obvious reasons. Most of all, Major League Baseball enjoys the unique status of NOT falling under interstate commerce restrictions so it is actually a sanctioned monopoly in the Government's eyes (making 'anything baseball' subject to requiring the expressed written consent of the League before it can approach anything coming close to PD). I'll bet Carl will have a more detailed reasoning if posted @ CopyVio, but I see nothing that would make me think this can be hosted on WS regardless - its a speech by a private citizen under contract at the time to a team & made during a paid event sponsored by that same team as chartered by the beforementioned League. -- George Orwell III (talk) 12:04, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Problematic djvu

If time permits, would you mind looking at this new djvu file? I created it with my usual suite of djvu tools, but none of the pages seems to be rendering, and the index page is a long series of error messages. The djvu file can be downloaded from Commons and displays perfectly on my machine. Is this a Commons problem, do you think? Tarmstro99 16:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I was just looking at a similar problem yesterday where the width x height didn't come up at all on Commons ( see File:Federal Cases, Volume 19.djvu ) and the only thing out of the ordinary, so far, was the text layer had a 'page' within a 'page' entry @ DjVu 290. Didn't fix the problem but, again, so far its all I have to go on.

I'll take a better look at yours this weekend but if you extract the text layer to a file using DjVused.exe and it fails to re-insert the same unedited file you just extracted, you probably have the same issue(s) as vol 19 of the Federal Cases reporter does.

After that, the only reason the width x height can't be calculated automatically by Commons, etc., in my expierence, is if the first page of the DjVu is messed up (i.e. - the typical GoogleBooks disclaimer is sooooo different from the rest of the DjVu's dimensions that the only way it will render properly is deleting the first page or replacing/renaming for a blank). The other option is you prefixed/suffixed the internal indirect DjVu numbering with all zeros instead of starting with 0001 or the like. More as I find em' out - I'll leave you a note pointing here on your talk page. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

The original version of the file apparently did have inconsistent page widths/heights interspersed throughout the document; never by more than a few pixels in any direction, but they were there. However, I have now uploaded a revised version of the document in which every page has been verified as having the exact same dimensions (2550×3300 pixels; 8½"×11" @ 300dpi) and the problem remains unchanged. Tarmstro99 19:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Third time’s the charm, it seems; I created a new version of the file using pdf2djvu instead of djvudigital and this one seems to be working. Tarmstro99 22:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

DjVudigital eh? Never used it. PDF2DJVU is just DjVuLibre with a GUI shell. The dimensions needed to swing wildly & not just a a dozen pixels here or there for it to affect the DjVu rendering on WS. Anyway - Looks great. Nice work!! -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

But {{header}} is only main ns

Am I missing something about this edit? We only use {{header in main ns so the change seems a little superfluous. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Well everybody with the undef! bang message who had a sandbox with the header template under their User: as a subpage or similar plus all the Template:Header testcase pages, etc., kept showing up in that category. Now its empty. Is there a better way not to have categorization take place in namespaces other than the main for our nav header than spelling it out? -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:02, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Fair call. Thx. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:22, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

this edit should have worked

I have edited MediaWiki:common.css[1] to try to get a class operational for Page:Ravished Armenia.djvu/15 and to use more widely; it failed to function. Tried it via my local common.css file, without issue, when imported to the global css file, NOTHING! Thoughts? Can you see anything that would consider this a clash? — billinghurst sDrewth 05:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

at first glance... a 'first-child' column-cell ( <td> ) styled via a defined class can't have a column span of 2 (or more) or all you are doing there is padding the middle (null) column on its right side the way I see it. I'd have to experiment some to be 100% sure - but 'before', 'after', 'last', 'first', etc. are not always universally browser friendly for starters. Wikicode typically prefers a null space in empty cells to insure place-holding as well. -- George Orwell III (talk) 05:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not fussed about the cell in the first row, it is more the formatting for the remainder part of the first cell of first column of the table. Plus it worked fine when I had the class just in my personal css file, it is just when transferred that it is failing, so all I can think is that there is something later in common.css that is overriding the setting. The nice thing about this formatting is if it fails in other browsers, then it is a very cosmetic failure, just an amount of column separation. Often I functionally omit it due to the complicating of the coding inside table of contents tables. This is my attempt to keep it simple. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

You are absolutely right - the setting either gets overriden by another CSS setting (not sure where but boy you can't say I didn't look hard for it!) AND/OR certain browsers are taking a "false positive" of sorts (I figure the proofread status bar & the normal header are table based and, as a result, muddy the first child call). The only way I was able to get the desired padding was if the cell's text was wrapped in a span and then set that as a descendant of the td cell. -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Filter "contains_any"

I believe that rather than nesting heaps of OR statements that we can use the parameter contains_any and then you can have a long string of them, if I read the instructions right. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You are most likely correct about that. I only went that route cause it was easier copied from one of Cirt's existing filters than anything else at the time. Originally the or statement for namespaces wasn't detecting anything because it was wrapped in quotes, erroneously making it a straight & literal string, so I became fixated on testing previous results against paramaters based on or statements. Don't take it as a preference or anything - it just worked was all.

on, the " " makes it literal? Must be what I had been doing wrong, for some I have been having hell all issues, and have just run away and hidden.

'instructions', eh? I guess that's a better place for me to start! :( Pointer? George Orwell III (talk) 04:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

mw:Extensioin:AbuseFilter/FulesFormat for what they are and here I was thinking that you had already found them. <eyeroll> I have been meaning to see if someone had something better elsewhere, but I haven't got that far yet. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

sulinfo

I had been meaning to come back the sp footer thingy and convert to [[sulutil:George Orwell III]] and have sulutil:George Orwell III. Interwiki'd link now. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

full list at m:Interwiki map — billinghurst sDrewth

Not sure what you're saying exactly so I don't know if I made things better or worse there. My change was only to enable the blocked/locked checkboxes by default on a click-in via the footer; it seemed kind of silly not to <shrug>. Just change it back if it is problematic somehow. -- George Orwell III (talk) 09:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

sandbox

I need help please, as I am becoming very frustrated with this. Can you please get the transclusion code on my sandbox to work? It's not final, but I just want it desperately to work. - Tannertsf (talk) 07:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Done - you had a colon where there should have been an equal sign and double hash marks for one of the quotes. George Orwell III (talk) 07:53, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. - Tannertsf (talk) 07:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

USCongRec

• Interstate Municipal Solid Waste Control Act
• Tribute to Pennsylvania Delegation Departing Members
• Tribute to Departing Members of the Pennsylvania Delegation

Can you help with why {{USCongRec}} is not working properly at these pages? Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Well for starters, GPOaccess only had from 1995 on forward _ nevermind the fact that it stopped being updated in Nov. 2011 (FDsys is the central government printing office site now). I wasn't aware (well I forgot to check to be honest) of any earlier access at FDsys - I'll try to work it in over this week sometime. Just keep doing what you did with those 3 and list the mainspace pages here; I'll go back and fix them if I find a way to access FDsys.gov for the CongRecord. -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. Thank you very much, -- Cirt (talk) 19:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Update: Here's the kicker; the FDsys setup is Part and Date dependent in addition to Volume and Page. I'm going to need to re-think the entire template instead of just modifying it. More info as things develop. Later. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, keep us posted. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Problem page in the djvu for the Mexico book

Hi, Page:Mexico as it was and as it is.djvu/413 is patently a problem. I've checked in a different scan on IA and it can be deleted. /412 is print page 331 and /414 is print page 332. I don't know how to delete a page from the middle of a djvu, but from memory you've done this sort of thing before. Could you please have a go at it—or refer on to someone else? Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Well proofreading seems to be well underway without an accurate pagelist being in place first so I'm a bit leary of making one edit now only to find more are going to be needed later. Without much effort, I get the feeling due diligence was an afterthought at best when I look for Appendix 5 by page number only to find it listed as Appendix 4 for example. -- George Orwell III (talk) 09:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I didn't look that deeply (wanted to go to bed). Was just responding to a comment on RC by WMM. I dearly wish that editors would not upload Google scans, particularly when there are other scans on IA. I've started adjusting the pagelist, but it's a right mess with more than one set of roman numerals that overlap with each other. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I was looking through the pages and point out that if one clicks the word "Image" at the top of any page no "thumbnail" is generated. I do not know if this gives any hints as to how to do a repair or not but the exact wording is as follows:

Error generating thumbnail

Error creating thumbnail: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DJVU::GException' pnmtojpeg: EOF / read error reading magic number

WMM2 (—William Maury Morris II ^Talk 21:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

OK. Pagelist is completed. It's a dreadful scan and there is a better one on IA, but it's been started, so... There is no Appendix 5 in the third edition of the work. What was Appendix 5 in the first edition has become Appendix 4 and the former Appendix 4 has gone—despite still being in the TOC. The only bad page is /413. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll review the pagelist and delete /413 tomorrow - A Giants win means I can focus better in the coming week(s). -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Done had some trouble with the server so it took 2 tries to come through as we wanted. No big deal. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Always d/l MS- vs G- when possible. I know through .PDF file use. If for any reason this book will cause anyone problems then delete the thing and let's start over. The images are still there on Commons. We don't want the problems that may be nested in the scans. Editing is editing and we all want to do our best with what we can do. —Maury (—William Maury Morris II ^Talk 00:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Here is something else to consider, at least this is so with my. PDF files, G- has started removing images on at least one, perhaps more, of its files. I know because I own a copy of the original book and also from working on a different book via .PDF long ago whereby the images are not available on G-. Perhaps imgs are in the printed versions they sell. Removing images saves ink when printed for sale. Or perhaps the images are shown in the printed work but no "illustrations" are listed -- there is at least one exception on IA where the illustrations are listed but are not included in the d/l. I have had those images and the text for decades sent to me by an elder family member because a family member is in the story. G- is a mess in multiple ways. Please always d/l MS- or another free (and fully intact) work. —William Maury Morris II ^Talk 00:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

GooBoo does an OK job for the price. The source scans are pretty much the same and all originate from the same handful of libraries. Their problem is a heavy reliance on an automated process whereas IA and the like have much more individual interaction in the conversion process, making for higher quality end-products compared to GooBoo. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I have never purchased a GooBoo as an end product but their scanning work for d/l needs working on. I love photography and many kinds of art but that does not include scanned works that show a person's fingers with red nail polish which is too much individual interaction although some would call that, or anything else, "art" which I deem similar to the automated non-created shovel Jim Dine got placed in a modern museum. —William Maury Morris II ^Talk 04:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for not being more clear - I did not mean purchasing books from GooBoo at all. All I meant was you can't argue with a free online library of stuff not normally found in one's local library. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Books

Oh, that's okay, George. I did think you meant "purchasing" though.

I remember when I was young and especially during cold Virgina's winters how much I wanted to read old and rare books. My kinsmen, Ned (Ed) Berkley and "Chic" (Charles) Moran worked in the rare books area and U.Va.'s printing area. So, when a bit older I would go to U.Va's rare books area where I had to place my coat and all contents I had in a locker. Next I was given one sheet of paper at a time and a small pencil and went into a room that was enclosed by glass and was watched by two women sitting at an outside room working and watching me. One woman inside wearing white gloves would turn each page after I hand-copied the text. There was as much security as found in Washington DC museums. Only the guns were not seen. But now G- and others provide us all with old books and rare books and we all take advantage of this for whatever your and other editors reasons might be. I do not know why but I have all of my life sought out old and rare books usually having to purchase them when I had enough money. I knew a Cabell descendant (I married into that family) who never finished high school but who had become very wealthy and had a large library of 1st edition and signed old and rare books. Wiki areas are wonderful! The wiki concept is a dream come true for us all. I get a tad hyper within just remembering all of this. Kindest regards, —William Maury Morris II ^Talk 23:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)