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[edit] ready made templates

Do see {{Under construction}} and {{inuse}}. -- billinghurst (talk) 01:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

The editor verifying the proofread changes the radio button. So if you proofread it, you change it, up the scale. Anyone can redo someone else's work, so a multiple validation, or if you see a problem with a read, then you can move it back, with commentary. -- billinghurst (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to the Popular Science Monthly Wikiproject

Ineuw, I would like to personally welcome you to the Popular Science Monthly Wikiproject. Right now we only have 3 participants, but we are growing fast! We have a ton of proofreading to do, a lot of organizing, and transcluding. Both Sherurcij and I hang out on IRC a lot so join that if you need talk. Anyways, welcome and thanks for joining! --Mattwj2002 (talk) 01:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick note, as I see you proofreading an awesome number of pages, that you can/should nix the "POPULAR SCIENCE - PAGE 48" at the top of each page while proofreading - and make a quick glance to ensure there are no words that lo-
ok like this. :) Much thanks for your work! Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:David Livingstone. 20:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Checklist for proofreading

This list was moved and merged in the Proofreading guide for The Popular Science Monthly Project .

[edit] Header and Templates {{hws}} and {{hwe}}

Not sure whether we did bring your attention to H:SIDE#Formatting conventions. If not, I would like to point to you the bits about the header [+] toggle button, and the part about hyphenation at the end of a page, and correspondingly at the start of the next. Thx. -- billinghurst (talk) 09:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and in older texts, be on the look out for em dashes — or alt-0151.billinghurst (talk)

[edit] Thought you might be amused

As a contributor to the PSM project, and seeing you point out the inked-in character - I thought you might be amused to notice, as I did, that Author:Edward Livingston Youmans, the publisher of PSM, had his sister translate the article The Unity of the Human Species (seen here at Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 1.djvu/71, and included an article by her to fill out his publication (seen here at Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 1.djvu/130) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 16:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I had to check Google to see if it was his sister or daughter, it's definitely his sister - she did a biographic "sketch" of him after he died entitled "by his sister". :) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 16:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

He was Professor of Anthropology at the Museum of Natural History in Paris, so I'd be surprised if they were entangled; a quick search yielded a letter by her brother, saying "Eliza's translation of Quatrefages will be the first". He also seems to have died in 1892 according to w:Jean Louis Armand de Quatrefages de Bréau. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din. 04:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A Gold Star for All Your Efforts!

Ineuw, I hear by grant you a gold star for all your efforts with Popular Science Monthly! Star*.svg Keep up the great work! --Mattwj2002 (talk) 04:52, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] images

Hi,

Can you upload images to Commons instead of here please? If you upload them to Commons you can use them here exactly as if you uploaded them to here, but they will also be accessible to all other projects e.g. to illustrate Wikipedia article; and the Commoners will work to organise them into a nice media-oriented structure.

Hesperian 00:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand how moving them from here is easier than uploading them to Commons. What is your process for moving them? Hesperian 02:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Unicode

Have a look at http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/greek_extended/images.htm -- billinghurst (talk) 13:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

This might also be of use {{User annotation}}

[edit] The Popular Science Monthly page structure and TOC

This first attempt was deleted and superceded by this entry.

[edit] Ineuw could you join IRC when you get a chance?

Hi Ineuw, Could you join IRC when you get a chance? Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Ineuw, can you pop on I really need to chat with you quick. Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 01:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Popular Science Monthly page and TOC structure No.2

This second attempt was deleted and superceded by this entry.

[edit] Trying the deep end first

Gday Ineuw. I love your enthusiasm, though I am a little concerned that you are trying to do a whole lot of wiki from the deep end of the pool. WS is reasonably poor at tight rules and guidelines, and that is both good and bad. Good that we are not so anal-retentive, bad in that it makes it a little harder to get the gist of what we are doing.

It hasn't been demonstrated that you have a handle on our concoction of namespaces, and how we pull text between them. Not sure where you are in the story, so I will start from first principles. And if you are not adverse to the concept we could look to expand and clarify parts and take it out somewhere as a guidance map.

[edit] Wikisource domain structure re: Works

The Index: and Page: namespace is a newer environment and one that we are more rapidly developing and maturing.

  •  :Commons: wiki ← where files are uploaded (as preference)
  • Index: namespace ← the tie between Commons and Wikisource. It enables us to view a multi-image file and show the structure of the document, and the Published context of the work
  • Page: namespace ← the page by page display of a multi-image files. If the pages of a .djvu file have a text layer (either by OCR or from creation) then at first editing of a Page: the text layer will be imported from Commons and applied to the Page. The text layer is imported and a new version saved at WikiSource, separate from the copy on the :Commons: file
Note: the text import only undertaken when the Page: space is created
  • Main namespace ← the display space of works, they can either by typed in directly, or transcluded from the Page: namespace. (the latter is now our preferred methodology where an image is available for proofreading).
  • Author: namespace ← compiling lists of works by author
  • Wikisource: namespace ← where we compile information about enWS

Std wiki

  • Template: namespace
  • User: namespace
  • Category: namespace
  • Mediawiki: namespace
  • Help: namespace
  • File: namespace (storing at Commons preferred)
  • Portal: namespace (not really used here)

I would like to pause there for questions and the like. Before starting discussing which text goes which way billinghurst (talk) 10:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Version 3 of the PSM Table of Contents structure

Contents were moved to my documentation page for proofreading.

[edit] Use {{gap}}

No need to create create {{ts}}. {{Gap}} should do the job. -- billinghurst (talk) 16:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually {{text-indent}} is more relevant here; but you'll be sorry. Hesperian 04:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Have a look at {{rule}}

Have a look at {{rule}} it should do what you are after. There is also discussion at User talk:Hesperian#right about a similar thing they have looked at. billinghurst (talk) 04:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No need to answer on my talk page, as if I start a conversation here, I will watch your page, also for me it helps to keep a conversation in context. If you want to do notify me of an answer, then you can use {{talkback|Ineuw}} and that should be enough.
Got it. Everyday something new to learn. :) Ineuw (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely. Often it is worthwhile looking through the categories, or clicking search, and then ticking category for that namespace only search for a keyword. We have been less than optimal in our documentation. billinghurst (talk) 22:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
I have no complaints. I have a lot to get used to. Ineuw (talk) 02:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] js for {{gap}}

Not the best example of something that does well in the toolbar unless you are planning on having a consistent value within it. This is because it sometimes it has a default value, and other times it has a value, none of which wrap text.

  • The big bad fox takes ugly chunks out of the nice unassuming chicken.
  • The big bad  fox takes  ugly chunks  out of the  nice unassuming chicken.
 The big bad {{gap}}fox takes {{gap|2em}}ugly chunks {{gap|}}out of the {{gap|em}}nice unassuming chicken.

Generally one would code it with a pipe(|) to add value, however, this is one that has a reasonable default value. So the option become code as {{gap}} or {{gap|2em}} and you would manually amend for a value, or amend the value contained.

Anyway, this text when part of your monobook.js (as per instructions should give this default  ; then if you type and then wrap a number like 4, it should create  

if (mwCustomEditButtons) {
 mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = {
     "imageFile": "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Emblem-symbolic-link.svg",
     "speedTip": "gap",
     "tagOpen": '{{gap|',
     "tagClose": 'em}}',
     "sampleText": "2"};
};

Note that I chose the icon (from a quick look), and it can be replaced with whatever takes your fancy at Commons. billinghurst (talk) 22:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I intend to use {{gap}}with the default value, whatever is. I jumped randomly several years ahead in the PSM and the style is the same for decades to come, in fact, probably early in the 20th century. So, it will be useful. Ineuw (talk) 23:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
PS: The gap is not for spanning, just to indent the first line, and it works fine. Ineuw (talk) 02:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)



Billinghurst. I am awed! This morning (a clear head), I figured it out and thank you. You made a javascript addict out of me. The {{gap}} button on the editing toolbar shows only the word "gap" on the button, and not the image. The image link is correct, so I don't know what I did wrong.
Could you point the way to reading material on javascript that would be usefule here? Would like to add some feature and learn how to send keystrokes, assign it keys if possible, etc? — Ineuw (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Science Monthly Update!

Hi Ineuw, I just wanted to share some good news with you! Internet Archive has agreed to scanned the 5 volumes I have purchased. You have been so involved with the project, I just thought I would share with you. Once again thanks for all of your efforts! --Mattwj2002 (talk) 23:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

On my talk page please! That way I see them and get the message! :) --Mattwj2002 (talk) 02:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 1st Image in Volume 2

Hi Ineuw, I just had an idea. I am not sure if this would work, but would the name of the person be in the credits anywhere? Otherwise, I am not sure either. I hope that helps. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 01:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Feedback solicited for introductory documentation at Help:Side_by_side_image_view_for_proofreading

Ineuw, I just made some major revisions to Help:Side_by_side_image_view_for_proofreading, to try to improve it's readability for new proofreaders. I think I remember seeing somewhere that you were looking at putting something like that together too. Can you please look at that page, & let me know what you'd want to see changed? (Or just change it?) I'd really like a second pair of eyes that has an interest in improving introductory documentation. Thanks!! -- SoftlySaid (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi SoftlySaid, Forgive my lateness in replying. Only now I had the chance to pay serious attention to your post, having been distracted by numerous issues these past weeks. Your document is superb! I am very interested in promoting quick and easy answers to beginners with an interest in proofreading and yours is #1.
The difficulty, from my perspective, is that the first time visitor is dismayed by the profusion of information presented on an equal rank. Thus, it's impossible to find your article because there is no simple, step by step screen system which would lead first time visitors and aspiring proofreaders to it. By simple, I mean that a prominently displayed option (which can be turned off in the Preferences), with multiple choice answers, while everything else becomes hidden to prevent distraction. Yesterday, I came across a very neat feature through Gutenberg, on a Distributed Proofreading wiki, which tests the proofreader's attention to detail. I was impressed. Unfortunately, it's also buried so deep, that one looses a lot of precious time finding it. — Ineuw (talk) 16:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proofreading example

Hello, This is a good idea, but it would be better if we have the example on Wikisource, instead of sending people on PGDP. Regards, Yann (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly, and admit to deliberately omitting this point because saving time is everything. Every volunteer here is busy with their project, so, perhaps we can ask DP for a copy of the code (with an attribution for their cooperation)? After all, they would also indirectly benefit from it. Then, we can fine tune it for our needs. — Ineuw (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry Ineuw I fell asleep!

Hey Ineuw! I didn't mean to ignore you, but I fell asleep. I am awake now if you want to talk. Sorry about that. Regards. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 02:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The elusive Volume 75

Hey Ineuw! Right now we have 5 volumes of Popular Science Monthly being scanned by the Internet Archive. I sent it in a few weeks ago. They are taking their time and so far they haven't shown up on the website. I'll keep you informed. Volume 75 was one of those volumes. They will scan it for free all I had to was pay for shipping, but they keep the book. :) I hope to talk to you soon. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 19:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] hi

hi, im new here so i need help, can i ask you something?

You can ask me anything, but please sign in or register. — Ineuw (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Another gold star for Volume 1 of PSM!

Ineuw, you deserve this, another gold star for Volume 1 of Popular Science Monthly. Star*.svg Enjoy!!! --Mattwj2002 (talk) 01:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It looks great, but we should not be transcluding pages from the USER: namespace, and we should have a copy of the magazine in the MAIN namespace rather than simply as an INDEX. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Thomas Carlyle. 06:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ip deletion request

Was this you? Hesperian 12:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] You asked in IRC

[13:58] <ineuw> Exalted admins, greetings, I am wrote a proofreading guide for the PSM project. Which namespace to place it? It's sort of related to the Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly page.
[14:08] <ineuw>  Wikisource:WikiProject Popular Science Monthly/Proofreading guide - is this advisable?
[14:09] <ineuw> or Page:Popular Science Monthly/Proofreading guide?
[14:09] <ineuw> or Page: Popular Science Monthly/Proofreading guide?

Not the Page: namespace. That is solely for pages that have images and for transcription. Nothing else belongs there.

Wikisource: ns is the place for documentation for all to read. If it is project specific, then it belongs as a subpage to your project. If it is a general page, then it belongs somewhere up the top. So most likely option at 14:08 billinghurst (talk) 03:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks — Ineuw (talk) 03:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PSM stuff

Mate, you seem to be creating a new means to how we have been laying out work, and not one that aligns with how other work has been done, nor how it utilises headers. I am playing with what is there to align with how we have been doing other works. You will probably want to hit me. <shrug> billinghurst (talk) 06:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

You're correct. I follow you. Live and learn. — Ineuw (talk) 07:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
You want to hit me? ;-) I have finished fiddling, and I have seen that you have been doing things too. So a quick note before I take a break.
  • Have a look, and see if what I have done to the hierarchy makes sense. I thought that Matt might have given you that guidance, so I hadn't been paying too much attention. You picked a complex beast to start upon!
  • With templates like that they are going to break due to somewhere a rampant | will upset the apple cart somewhere. Basically when coding like that a bar needs to represented as {{!}} and I still falter with its use correctly. Hence a top and tail approach is less breakable.
  • Lots of relative links
  • I have cheated a little moving the author into the section tag, however, in this scenario I think that it works better, can change it back if wanted, very bot'able
  • The community has probably dropped the ball in giving the support to you that is required, and that is one of the downsides of a smaller community, and one that is doing lots of things. So a light apology in that regard.
  • Umm, I have forgotten the next one. <shrug>
Arm and brain rest time. billinghurst (talk) 09:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hanging indent

Dear Ineuw,

Your sandbox now has a working template for hanging indent. here it is. It took a conditional workaround to convince the template that, if {{{1}}} is absent, then {{{2}}} is the new "1". I must thank Alex Brollo for his great intuition, I'm only the postman :D .- εΔω 15:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ineuw for thanks. I'm always happy to contribute... but the "personal appeal" from Jimmy Wales reminds me that another kind of contribution too will be welcome. ;-).
Happy new year!--Alex brollo (talk) 08:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm producing a large mess of new templates, most of them completely unuseful (they run but they can't find a good place/problem to solve or interested user needing them ...). If you are template-addicted, I'll be happy to share with you some from the best (IMHO) of them! If you aren't... I don't want to cause any headache to you. ;-) --Alex brollo (talk) 10:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rulers

Dear Ineuw, I'm going to post (and to develop) Ruler code, I'll work into a personal sandbox: User:Alex brollo/Ruler. Feel free to test and edit into it.

The idea is, to have two gif files (a straight line and a central graph) and to use it with two parameters: , the second, for height/strenght of the line (default 5, try 3,4,5,6,7); the first, for lenght of the ruler (1 default; use 1,2,3) Consider that you can post new central graphs, but edit bit by bit with care (it is important that the height is 15 pixels and that orizontal line is saved to "join" with straight line)

Well, the parametrized template is into my head only now... but I hope it will come into life.--Alex brollo (talk) 18:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's we try:
  • no parameters:
Ruler side.gifRuler center.gifRuler side.gif
  • double length:
Ruler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler center.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gif
  • triple lenght:
Ruler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler center.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gif
  • triple lenght, and 4/5 heigth:
Ruler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler center.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gifRuler side.gif

--Alex brollo (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] #titleparts

I don't know if you use #titleparts ParserFunction, but it's great as a "small indexed array".

Look at this:

The code: The English name for number 5 is '''{{#titleparts:One/Two/Three/Four/Five/Six/Seven/Eight/Nine/Ten|1|5}}''', the Italian one is '''{{#titleparts:Uno/Due/Tre/Quattro/Cinque/Sei/Sette/Otto/Nove/Dieci|1|5}}

The result: The English name for number 5 is Five, the Italian one is Cinque. Isn't it nice? --Alex brollo (talk) 11:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

The redirect that you were looking to do is coded like this

#redirect[[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 1#September 1872]]

Heading lines ===Heading=== have inbuilt anchors, so any of them can be assigned within a redirect. If you wish to add a specific anchor aside from a header, then you can use {{anchor}}. billinghurst (talk) 01:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year and thanks again. Did you read the 'wish list'? Did you read my mind? Otherwise, how did you know what I was looking for? Signed Al Zheimer. — Ineuw (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] ¿ Like this?

There's the ¿ caracter: is good for you? It's a common caracter in Spanish. I hope I understood your question: I can't find the caracter into the page you linked.... but I'm a little tired, and I'm going to bed!  :-) --Alex brollo (talk) 23:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

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