User talk:Wikijeff

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Edit tools[edit]

To get the code for the edit tools and install it on a wiki, go here:

Some people have been working on the Mishnah in English. I've mostly been doing halakhic texts in Hebrew. Dovi 20:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikijeff, also note that you must add this code to MediaWiki:Monobook.js in order to get the Edittools to show up:
/* add menu for selecting subsets of secial characters */
   /* must match MediaWiki:Edittools */
   function addCharSubsetMenu() {
      var specialchars = document.getElementById('specialchars');

      if (specialchars) {
         var menu = "<select style=\"display:inline\" onChange=\"chooseCharSubset(selectedIndex)\">";
         menu += "<option>Select</option>";
         menu += "<option>Ligatures and symbols</option>";
         menu += "<option>Accents</option>";
         menu += "<option>Tildes</option>";
         menu += "<option>Cedillas</option>";
         menu += "<option>Diareses</option>";
         menu += "<option>Circumflexes</option>";
         menu += "<option>Macrons</option>";
         menu += "<option>Other diacritics</option>";
         menu += "<option>Greek</option>";
         menu += "<option>Hebrew</option>";
         menu += "<option>Cyrillic</option>";
      /* This choice is experimental
         menu += "<option>Templates</option>"; */
         menu += "</select>";
         specialchars.innerHTML = menu + specialchars.innerHTML.replace(/_newline_/gm, "\n");

         /* default subset - try to use a cookie some day */

   /* select subsection of special characters */
   function chooseCharSubset(s) {
      var l = document.getElementById('specialchars').getElementsByTagName('p');
      for (var i = 0; i < l.length ; i++) {
         l[i].style.display = i == s ? 'inline' : 'none';
         l[i].style.visibility = i == s ? 'visible' : 'hidden';


You're welcome, and thanks to User:Zhaladshar as well! Dovi 04:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

History of the Ten Lost Tribes - Anglo-Israelism Examined[edit]

Just wanted you to know I proofread History of the Ten Lost Tribes - Anglo-Israelism Examined/Chapter 16 several times --Java7837 03:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC) Also why is there is no chapter 15 yet a chapter 14 and 16? Concerning this question please leave me an answer on my talk page

Hebrew or German[edit]

I do not know much german or hebrew sorry can you make a userbox that lists new additions to Wikiproject Salvation of Israel if so i would put it on my user page--Java7837 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Some interesting christian books[edit]

I think you might be interested in The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ and The Urantia Book

Concerning the books[edit]

They give information about Jesus and family not in the bible for example the aquarian gospel claims that Mary learned from Hillel and that Joseph her husband was an essene and much much more Also Jesus going to lands of the east for example india after the ressurection

de Wikisource[edit]

I've read your text in the german scriptorium. I think we may be interested. The simplest thing is to put the scans on commons connected within a single category. We will have a look on it and try to transcribe it to german ws. The translation to english may be pssible but could be a little bit complicated. It is not so easy to do a good translation of an old text.

I don't know how long it will take to do so, because we are a small community.

I'm joergens.mi at all wiki-projekts, but I do not have an account here -- 17:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignatz Lichtenstein[edit]

Hi Jeff, I'd be interested in transcribing the books on de.Wikisource and try to find someone there who will OCR them so that I just have to correct the OCR misreadings and coffee stains. We might then translate it via one of the resources listed on and proofread the translation here on en.Wikisource. Yet: Since I find nothing about Lichtenstein in de.Wikipedia I am not sure if his name is "Ignatz" or (more likely) "Ignaz" but I will find out. Another point: In "Liebe und Bekehrung" (Love and Conversion) the last page is a duplicate. The last page is missing. Or is the text longer than 34 pages? --Liondancer 18:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

In "Die Liebe und die Bekehrung" page 5 is obviously missing. As well page 4 as 6 are left-side pages, and the sentence gives no real sense. The introducing sentence at the end of page 33 supposes that there won't be much after it: A short parable to outline his faith statement. Yet the following page is missing... The horizontal bar on the last page of "Der Talmud auf der Anklagebank" is rather usual for the last page of an older German book (or a chapter...). I just thought you had seen the original books... Within the next time I will include the commons:Template:BookNaviBar to ease the navigation between the pages. You might also have a look at commons:User:Joergens.mi/Definition Book-Templates if that might be interesting for your other projects. --Liondancer 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, links fixed. After I had found the Harvard library stamp in one of the books I looked there, and they have both brochures as well as 3 others listed in the WP bibliography: search result. No idea how to get scans from there. For the de.Wikisource quality standards the best would be scans including the covers and white pages. --Liondancer 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked a bit further inbetween: The German National Library has nothing on the works, the Austrian National Library (which would have been the most relevant after Hungary once belonged to Austria) has only the "Two Letters" (just knowing "J..." as his first name), and the Hungarian National Library (hardly to find even anything...) shows just the "Jewish Mirror", crediting it to Jechiel Lichtenstein. But at all I'm not an expert in library research... --Liondancer 00:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Finally I started transcribing de:Der Talmud auf der Anklagebank. I suppose, in about two weeks the transcription will be ready, and the two correction rounds can be made. I'll keep you informed. --Liondancer 08:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: Could you give me a brief info on Ignatz Lichtenstein and this work introducing the text? About 2 or 3 sentences? Thanks.

Hi again, Jeff. Lichtenstein quoted some Hebrew writings (e.g. the Talmud) in Hebrew. Do you know a reasonable tool for typing this? Some virtual Hebrew keyboard, online or for download? --Liondancer 17:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the hints. I am using Windows, so I will give my OpenOffice a try ;-) --Liondancer 17:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

clarification on MESSIANIC[edit]

No, what I meant to say was that the subject matter of the Salvation project is fairly specific to be in the Wikisource namespace. I mean, most of our pages that list works in the WS namespace are fairly broad (lists of historical documents, constitutional documents, biographical works, religious works, etc.). The subject matter of the Salvation project is fairly specific, so--in my own opinion--a portal would be a better place to put it. Going from Wikipedia's portals, they can get fairly specific in their content (like there is one all about the Wizard of Oz), so I figure that likewise Wikisource might benefit from following suit. Also, having more portals, especially when there are editors to actually develop them, would be very beneficial as well, as Portals is something Wikisource has wanted to develop for quite some time.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion, the Mishnah project should be moved. As should many other project pages in the WS namespace. It's just that I never wanted to make a stink about what the proper namespace should be for all these pages (I'd rather avoid a big fight at this moment). I just decided to pop in when I saw Sherurcij's comment and give my own opinion. I just think that the Wikisource space should be for collaborative projects or fairly broad topics, while the Portal space should be for more specific topics (subtopics of the broader ones) that have quite a few texts Wikisource could showcase. Of course, do what you want; I'm not going to make a fuss either way--I was just chiming in with my 2 cents.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi. Regarding the OCR, it is very rough text and needs a lot of editing.

I think we should use the Sacred Texts version as it goes online, and (for other books) the MM version provided an initial check is done before uploading.

Regarding the Hebrew, at Hebrew Wikisource we are currently working out the procedures for uploading the Hebrew text in several parallel formats. These cannot be transcluded across wiki, but there is the function for viewing languages side-by-side (see for instance the Main Page). Dovi 03:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


I think there is a good chance I have access to Harvard's libraries via ILL. If you let me know the details of the pages you need, I'll drop by my library and see what they can do. -SCEhardT 15:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately it looks like someone will have to go in person to the Harvard to scan the microfilm. I made a loan request and got the following response:
A request you have placed:
Title: Die Liebe und die Bekehrung
Author: Lichtenstein, J
has been cancelled by the interlibrary loan staff for the following reason:
This item is non-circulating.
Oh well, it was worth a shot :-)
If you want to go to the effort of contacting them, you can find some WP contributors who attend Harvard by searching this list for 'User'. -SCEhardT 14:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
AKA this list. When you sort by a namespace, it's included in the url. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 14:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi Wikijeff, great work on the ten "lost" tribes. I'd like to bring the ProofreadPage extension to your attention. With this extension you can attach your wiki markup to the scanned page it belongs to. That way, the decision whether to render the text chapter-wise or page-wise is left to the user without doubling effort for editors. See Help:Side by side image view for proofreading for details. Maybe you want to use it on your next OCR project, or even add support for it to this one. I've already used it and can help you with questions you might have. Cheers, GrafZahl (talk) 08:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Very large DjVu file[edit]

Hi, Wikijeff,

I remember a little while ago you needed to upload a fairly large DjVu file. Did you ever find someone who could upload it? If you did not, I can split the DjVu file into smaller chunks and upload them to Commons.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 03:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Using ProofreadPage Extension[edit]

So, I've looked at the documentation for ProofreadPage, and it's so confusing I don't even want to touch it. So, instead, I'll just tell you here how to use it.

  1. Upload the image scans to either or Commons (current guidelines prefer uploading them over at Commons).
  2. For each image uploaded to Commons, take its pagename and create a page in the Page: namespace with the exact page name as the image.
    • Example: There is an image on Commons called Image:King James Version, Genesis 001.png. So, on we create a page called Page:King James Version, Genesis 001.png. What this does is when you go to view/edit this page on, you will get a screen where the left half has the extracted text of the image Image:King James Version, Genesis 001.png (assuming, you have actually added the text, of course). On the right half of the screen is the image stored over at Commons. This image will also show when you go to the edit screen of the page.
    • Note: The ProofreadPage extension works on individual images, so for a given project you will have as many pages in the Page: namespace as you will have scanned images.
  3. Once the page in the Page: namespace has been edited/formatted/proofed to your liking, then it is time to put it in the main article namespace. There are a couple ways to do this:
    1. Use <includeonly> and <noinclude> tags on the page in the Page: namespace and transclude it into the main article namespace. This is the most common method right now, but I do not think it in any way helps our project to have the text of the work transcluded from another article, and unless you know how to use those tags well, it'll be some experimentation to get it right.
    2. This is the method that 99% of all of our pages conform to. Simply copy and paste the text from the Page: namespace into the main article namespace. Doesn't take a lot of technological know-how to do this method. :D
    • Of course, the choice for how to take the text from the Page: namespace into the main one is entirely up to you, so do what's easiest for you.

And that's about all you have to do. Once you get the text put into the main namespace the side by side image view goes away so all a person sees is the formatted/proofread text.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about LST[edit]

Now, you also asked me whether works which have been transcluded need to be categorized. This is actually something that has never been discussed, partly because LST was just recently enabled. It might be worth knowing which pages are being partially transcluded into other ones, so if you want to categorize these pages with something like Category:Partially transcluded pages feel free to do so. You can also ask at the Scriptorium to see what others think. My personal opinion, though, is we should tag such works.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 15:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

JPS 1917[edit]


I posted a bit of info on the status of the 1917 JPS translation on WS:COPYVIO#JPS 1917. Short summary: the etext is copyrighted, and some additions have been made; hope this helps. The plan you have crafted for this text is a good idea. Hoshie 11:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

email notifications[edit]

Hi, after a proposal to enable email notification, Wikisource can now notify you of any changes to pages on your watchlist and/or changes to your talk page. In order to take advantage of these features, you need to enabled them in your Special:Preferences. --John Vandenberg (chat) 09:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

History of the Ten Lost Tribes[edit]

I have set up Index:History of the Ten Lost Tribes, which can be used to place the text beside the images, to allow easy proof-reading. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)