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Q So, to point, the application has 50 people as the number of attendees. There is a text message on page 1 of the same exhibit 34 that we've been talking about where you say, "What's your say 500 people." So whose decision was it to put 50 people as the number of attendees on this permit?
A It was based off consultation. I don't know that I ever, you know—I was told that—I was told that these lots are allotted 50 people. If more people show up and it is not a problem, there is no disbursement order. If more people show up, there is either a warning or for those people to disperse and that the event itself could continue.
Q Was it you or Mr. Stephen Brown's decision to put 50 people on the application for the number of attendees?
A Oh, I think that was the U.S. Capitol Police.
Q So it was the U.S. Capitol Police's idea to put 50 people on—
A I didn't talk directly to them. But my understanding is that the advice that they give to anyone who is applying to the permit is that if you say for—this is what I heard, okay? This is total hearsay. But it's like if you say, "Oh, I'm going have 200 people," then they say, "well, you can't apply for 200 people. You can apply for 50 people." So we made sure that we had under 50 speakers so that we could comply. And I made sure that we had a camera man so that if we had no crowd and everybody is at everybody's else's event, we would still have our speakers, our camera, and we would get our moment.
Q So, I mean, kind of what said, I thought this would be kind of a layup here. Go back to page 4 of exhibit 35. Estimated number of participants, it says
