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do you mean by that?" or anything else. I just—I stayed in my lane.
Mr. . Okay. So it's been widely reported in the media that there were outside lawyers, such as Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, who were advising the President on some of these issues. Is it possible that it was the outside lawyers rather than White House lawyers who were giving them—
The Witness. , I don't know. I don't know.
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Q Okay. So just asked you about John Eastman being one of the lawyers. Do you know John Eastman?
A Do not.
Q Have you heard about John Eastman?
A Only from what I've read in the newspaper.
Q Okay. Did you know about him or his existence at any time while you were working in the White House?
A Did not.
Q Okay. To your knowledge, did John Eastman ever work in the administration?
A Not that I'm aware of.
Q To your knowledge, did he ever work for the campaign?
A Not that I'm aware of.
Q All right.
Now, it's been reported that you had a meeting with the President and Pat Cipollone in early January in the President's private dining room where the President talked about having Pence, Vice President Pence, send votes back to the States.
Do you recall a meeting with the President and Pat Cipollone—
