hard for witless men to grasp; nevertheless I perceive that it is quite in keeping with our earlier discourse.'
'I am not now speaking,' said she, 'to witless men, but to such as desire to get hold of wisdom; for it is a sign of wisdom when a man desires to hear it and lay hold of it. But if any foolish man doubt concerning any of the arguments we have used in this very book, then let him prove, if he be able, one thing or the other, either that one of the arguments is false or is not akin to the matter we are discussing, or, thirdly, let him understand and believe that we are on the right track. If he do none of these things, then he knows not his own mind.
'But I can show thee yet other things that foolish men will think even harder to believe, though it is quite in keeping with the argument we are carrying on.'
'Why, what is that?' I said.
P. It is this, that the wicked, who suffer great misery and manifold punishment in this world for their sins, are far more unhappy than those who suffer no vengeance nor punishment in this world for their wickedness. Let no man, however, think I speak thus merely because I desire to blame vices and praise virtues, and to hold up this example as a warning to men and to draw them to virtue by the fear of punishment; it is for other reasons that I speak, and speak even more strongly.
M. For what other reasons wouldst thou speak, over and above those that thou hast mentioned?
P. Dost thou remember what we are saying, that
