Lesueur
Mr. Hartley, as a Member of Parliament, you obviously know that the other day our Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, enunciated what seemed to be a new foreign policy, in which he placed more emphasis on instant retaliation rather than on local ground defense. Now, how do you people in the British Isles feel about that?
Shawcross
Well, I'm expressing a personal view on this, you know, but I would feel very worried if that meant there was to be any general withdraw of troops from the areas in which there might be a danger of attack. Not so much because I think the retaliative measures of the kind Foster Dulles contemplated may not be a deterrent against aggression, but because I think the presence of British and American troops in these danger areas of the world has done a tremendous amount to give confidence to the local population, like saying to the citizens here, for instance, we're going to withdraw all your policemen, but if you're murdered we'll take care to see that your murderer is executed. Most citizens would say, well, we'd rather have the policeman to prevent us getting murdered.