Lesueur
Mr. Hartley, I'm afraid there's some suspicion that Britain has been or is complacent about communism as a result of the Fuchs atomic secrets case. Now, is this charge true?
Shawcross
I would say not. After all, you've had cases in this country, and I suppose if it was a question of counting of heads, you've had more cases here than we've had in Britain. But what we would say about the Fuchs case, and there was another, the Nunn May case, although he wasn't actually a communist, I think, what we'd say about that is it shows the efficiency of our intelligence service in rooting these people about. And, of course, you are bound to have, I suppose, to generate the risk of spies of that kind in government service, however careful you may be, but we think that we've got them all out. I wouldn't guarantee we have, but we've had the most careful, quiet but most careful, intelligence inquiries about all the people in the sensitive posts.