3 INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PROPAGANDA The CI~A~BIAN. NTell,did yen tell him that? Mr. RIACGUIRE.No, sir; I did not. The Crrarnarn~.Did he say to you " IVliat ain I to talk about?" And did you say to him, " Well, we lmve your spe~~h here ", and. on left it? Did you leave a speech tllerc? Ilr. 1rac6untN. NO.sir.. 2--- 'I'lic (71 I A ilrnla~.Ditl ~lilytalk of that kind take place? Mr. AhcGuntE. No, sir. The Crumara~.Was there any talk about how or from when these two or three hundred other men mere to go to Chicago? Mr. &IACGUIRE.No, sir. Tho CI~AIPNAN.Dih you at any time say that you would seo to it that there expenses were paid-tllnt " We have plenty "? Mr. M~ICGDTRE.No. sir. rile (~III~RMAN.W& Yr. Doyle aith you the second time that you visited him ? Bfr. MACGUIRE.No, sir. Mr. Doyle was only with me once. l The CIIATBB~AN. At any time did you take out a bank book and show lii~ndeposits in it? Mr.-- Rl~cGmnu.No, sir. The CXIAIRB~AN.One with around 40 or 50 thousand dollars? , Mr. BIACGUIRE.No, sir. The CIIAIRMAN.Where did you see him the second time, Mr. hIacGuire? - .. Mr. MacGmn~.General Butler? The CII~III~MAN. Yes. Mr. R~ACGUIRE.Well, Mr. AfcCormaclr, I do not know whether it nras clown in Philadelphia or whether it was in Newark at a mectin of the Twenty-ninth Division; or he wrote me a letter, I believe, an9 said that he rvas oing to be at this meetin in Newark, ns far is I g can recollect; or e called me up and nske me if I would go over f there. It was on a Sunday, and I went over. I think that is tlu second tiae I met hiin; or the third time, rather, because the secon(l tiinc was when you say I was down there wit11 this speech, and a forth. The CIXAIRMAN.I am not saying anything. What happened in Newark? Alr. BIncGmns. In Newark? Tlle CIIA~~IAN.Yes. i\fr. ~hl~dil~l~t~. I went o~-t~rtlicr.e, i111d I ~rlrtGc:nenll nstlc~: I loolcctl him ti~-went up to his rooln-and he aslted me to have lunch wit11 him and then later go and hear his sl>eecllin the theater do~vn tlicre-I forget the name of it. I said, " Certainly "; and \Ire hncl I1111ch aith him and then went down and iieard his sl,eech; and nftsr tlli~tIIV\\Titssarroa~ldnl~vit~lln lot o E Lllo~vs,and he rvus goi11.g to st:iy tllem for the dinner that they were going to have that n~dlt, nnil I went home. T11e CI~~IIRMAN. You were in the Navy during the war? Mr. MACGUIRE.Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN.Horv did you llappen to b at this convention ol tl~cTwentv-ninth? RIr. BIA~GUIRE.He invited me. The CZ~AIRBIAN.He wrote you and invited you 1 311.. AI.\c(~uIRE.Yes, sir. INVESTIGATION OF NAZI AND OTHER PROPAGANDA bd '7 CHAIUXAH.Have you got the letter0 Mdh,rnt~.He either wrote me or called me on the telephone ; --- - r,1 do no6 know. .The CIIAJRYAN.You never showed him a bank book9 Mr. ~~AC(~UINN.I never did; no sir. The C~:lr~~lta~*a. Ik, you know &olonol Murphyf 3Ir. BlaeGmm. Yes, sir. r l'lm CIIAIRYA~.Are you associated with him in any way? Bfr. MAGGUIRE.Yes sir; he is my boss. The CnarrYrn. ~ih you mention his m to General Butler? Mr. 3lacGu1m. No, sir; excq that he inferred that because ' 'tinB
- 1au with Colonel Murphy, that was there in co~ectionwith
L the Hml. 'l%e CIEAIPSUN.Did lle at any time ask you where you got the i money! - Blr. UAGGUIRE. I never had any money, and he never asked me if I had any. '1%~C~IAIRXA~. In what way did Colonel Murphy's name come into tlu conversation ? Mr. &frcGuim. I cannot' answer that; I do not know. I do not tl~iilkit ever came in in a disc~sionbetween General Buhr and Crr~~nura~. Did ou ever mention Mr. Clark to him? hLncGu~rm.Mr. 8lrirkt Yes; in connection. with the com- for a sound dollar. I mentioned that Mr. Clark was the man as ping to back up the oommih. c CHAIRYAN.In what way ba& up the cohtteet Ir. ?~~AC~UIH~P. With money. CIXAIR~~AX. Did h@? &~A&UI~R Yes, sir. CHAI~MAN.How mud1 did he give! M~cGu~us.$30,000. CHAIRMAN.Whom did he give it to? MA&UI~. He gave it to me. CHAIRMAN.Where is Umt money? MAOGSQIRZ.The money wtrs duly put in the Central Han~ver In whose name? Ai1t1 a committee formed to function. Tlre CIIAIIYAN.In wllose name! A coarmittee for a sound dollar and a sound cur- lot is tile way it was deposited? Mr. Irldurnu. Yes. The CEIAIRMAN.When wns that money givan to you? Mr. MA&UIRE. I cannot give you h exaet dahs. The CCZIAIRYL~W. Was it given before your talks aith Butler or afterward? blr. M~~RE. That was lang afterward. The money that Mr. Crk cove me WMS given to me long afbr the Chicego convention .a?the Jkgion. b1910 CIIAIRXAN.That was in 19St bir. MA&~RE.Yes, sir. I should say around Oc*r or uvotlibcr 1933.
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