The Chairman. Yes.
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir; to my recollection he did not.
The Chairman. At the convention, where did you stay, what hotel!
Mr. MacGuire. The Palmer House.
The Chairman. But at no time did you receive a call from Mr. Clark while you were in Chicago?
Mr. MacGuire. To my recollection, no.
The Chairman. Particularly from General Butler's own home?
Mr. MacGuire. To my recollection, no.
The Chairman. And was not the main subject of talk that you had with General Butler on several occasions the adoption of a resolution by the convention urging the Government to return to the gold standard?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Was such a resolution adopted out there?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes; it was.
The Chairman. Who proposed it, if you remember?
Mr. MacGuire. Well, I think I had as much to do with proposing it as anyone; and Bill Doyle.
The Chairman. Did Clark at any time tell you that Butler would not go to the convention and that he was going to Canada?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. And for you to let loose the telegrams; let the telegrams go?
Mr. MacGuire. Let me get that straight.
The Chairman. Or words to that effect; something about sending telegrams to the delegates at the convention?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Were telegrams sent to the delegates at the convention in connection with the adoption of this resolution to return to the gold standard?
Mr. MacGuire. Not to my knowledge. They were not sent by me.
The Chairman. Do you know whether or not any expenses were paid out of this fund, any payments were made for the sending of telegrams to delegates at the convention?
Mr. MacGuire. Telegrams to delegates? I do not believe there were any telegrams sent to delegates concerning this resolution that you speak of paid for out of the expense fund that you mention.
The Chairman. Do you know if any telegrams were sent at all in connection with the adoption of this resolution?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes. At the end of the convention, after the convention had adopted the resolution, I sent telegrams myself.
The Chairman. How many?
Mr. MacGuire. Oh, I should think 99. That was part of the expense money; that is, part of the expense money was used for that.
The Chairman. Prior to the adoption of the resolution?
Mr. MacGuire. Prior to the adoption-I do not believe so.
The Chairman. So far as you know, you did not do it?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. And you definitely know that?
Mr. MacGuire. That is right; yes, sir.
The Chairman. You definitely know that nothing was paid out of this fund for telegrams?
Mr. MacGuire. Excepting those telegrams that were sent afterward.
The Chairman. Excepting the 99 that you have referred to?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. Or around a hundred?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. Did Mr. Clark contribute any money in any other way, besides the $30,000 and the other sums that you have enumerated he gave to you personally?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir. He has been asked several times to contribute to different funds, but he has refused.
The Chairman. You went to Europe, and you visited Italy?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. And you sent the General a postcard from Nice?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. You were in Germany?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. You were in Russia?
Mr. MacGuire. No.
The Chairman. You were in France?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes; and England and Ireland.
The Chairman. In August of 1934 did you call General Butler on the phone and ask him if he could meet you in Philadelphia that afternoon? Did you some time in August call him, when you were in Philadelphia, and ask him if he could meet you and did you meet him at the Bellevue?
Mr. MacGuire. I think in August I was going down on business to Philadelphia, and I called him and said I would be there and asked him if he was available and if he could meet me.
The Chairman. Did he meet you at the Bellevue?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes. He met me around 5 o'clock at the Bellevue- Stratford. I was there with him for about 20 minutes.
The Chairman. Did you talk to him about your trip to Europe?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. And at that time I think you were going down to your convention in Miami?
Mr. MacGuire. Yes, sir.
The Chairman. Did you tell him now was the time to get the sol- diers together?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Did you tell him at that time that you went abroad to study the part that the veterans played abroad in the set-up of the governments of the countries abroad?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Did you tell him that you went abroad and looked into the set-ups of the governments there and the part that the vet- erans played in Italy?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Under the Fascist Government?
Mr. MacGuire. No, sir.
The Chairman. Did you say that they were the real backbone or background of Mussolini, but that that system would not apply in America?
