4 IBVESTIQATION'OF NAZI AND OTHER PRUPAOANDA and that each one of thein was tlle leader of 10 others, and tllat that was tllo kind of an organization that we should have in the United States. B~~tlerthen clai~ilythat when he asked Aiac$nire what lw wanted to c10 wit11 SII~Iu set-up, BhtcGi~irestatctl, We want to support the lbrositlent", to wllicll Jjutlrr clui~ilsIn? rcplictl, "Tlbo l'resident cltmn't ~iccvlthe snplwrt of thtlt killcl of a11 organizstioil; and, h- sides, since wlleil did you kqolne n sapporter of lttmevelt; the last ti~lleyo11 were 1ic1.e yo11 were against 11inlo" hSucGaire then, according to Dutler's twtir~iony,st~kl,"Don't you n~~derstcinil,tlle &-up lluv got t~oh d~rngecla bit. IVe have the I'resiclent w~thus now. He has got to have lnore rnoney. There is no nlore money to give liinl. Eigllby )(ercent of t11e lrloney now is in (IovelnMjbot (talk)ent ho~lilsm(] he oinnot keel) tl~iaracket up rnlluh longer. I-Ie hi~sgot to do ~ainetlli~ip;about it. Iie Ilas eitl~ergot to get nlore irioney out of us or lle h:ts got to dla~igethe it~ethtdof finuncit~gthe Covernnient, ancl we are going to H* to it that he isn%going k, change tlut slethod. He 1\41 ~iot(;11~1igeit. He is with 11s ~iow", to wllicll 1311tlerstiitc0 he rcplietl: " 'I'lic i(Iib11 of this grct~trroril) of soltlicrs thell is to frigl~1~tot1II~III,is it?" i~~idhlird;nire, accorching to U~dler'stestimony, raid, " NO, no, 110; not to frighten hial. This is to sl~stninllinl when others assa~llthinl." I311tlerclui~ristl~iitMocOniro then told liini that the President was overworked, that he nmdecl 91: usqistsnt to take over illo luiliiy helivy cl~itios,u~idflint s11c11a l>twlt~onwo11lt1l):! created vi~tlwo111clprob- uLl~bc vullctl " a secretary of genelea1 affairs ':, ant1 tl~ntwhen all tl~utJWS acmiuplislied the l'resident of the Ui~lteclSttites wo~lldbe lib the President of France. 13utIcr's testinlolly continnecl by quoting MacGuire as having said: " I llavu h11traveling urouid, looking a1.011nd. Now, about this superor runization, would you be interested in lleadin wllicll Bllt~erstates rel,liul: L'I ilin interwta~ill it,%utit' I"don%To know nlx)nt llcadiiig it.. I u~iigrcatly intc:~.t.stedin ib, I.MX*A'IIISC yotl kaow, J cl.l-y,IIIY interest, lily oi1e hobby, is n~uintaioingu, dealocraqy. If yo11 get these 500,000 soldiers ~tlv~i~ti~lg nnytlting smelling of E'ascis~rr,I a111 goi~lgto get 50,000 niore ancl 11ck the hell out of yon, and we will have a real war right ut home." Accortli~lcrto tlir tcsti~rlony,tl~cc.cnlversutioa ctoatinuetl in tllat veil1 riitl tLn Butler ylloted MacGuire as llitving s~ici:"We have 3 lui\lion to start with 011 the line and can gct 800 ~uillionif we need it " ancl ljutler cluiil~she striil: "Who is groing to )at all this illone. U,', h) ~vllidlMacGuire is rlleged to Gave reslial: Yon heari C1ai-k tell 011 110 was willii~gto put 11p 15 ~nillio~ito save tlw other 15 nlillion.X i311tlcrtwtilkrl that in the eonvc,~.slrtioilMacQnil.e suggestcit that if nc?ve.w~rythe Vice l'residei~t ancl Secrekary of Strte would resign and thut this secretar of enernl affairswodd Leconle the Secretary ld of Sl.atc alitl follow t lrou, 1 to the Pr-esidtmtiulsnccwion. lkitlcr further stated thnt Ire dkussed this entire matter with his confitlent, l'v111 French and that it was agreed between them that Prenvli shoultl see ~lucduirein New York. Paul Conlley French, a reporter for the Philadel ia Recod and tP" tllc New York Evening Post followecl the enera on tlre wibm stand, testifid that General hatler had spo en to him about this nlatter, and that they agreed that Frendi should go to New York to et the story.
- rencll testified tllat he am to Haw York, *cnlbr 18, 1934,
and went to the ofic~sof Grr~ysonM.-l'. Mllrplly % o. on the twelfth % floor of 52 Ifroudwuy ant1 that MacGnire received him shartly rftef 1o'clock in the rftei-noon atid that they coniluctecl their entire con7 versation in a s~ilallprivate office. Prencll teb;tiW tlnbr o~tll,that as soon ns he left bfacGni~.o's office, lke made u careful ~~le~nortlnilumof everything that hfacQuire had told him. French testified that 3iacGuire ststetl, "We need n fascist @v- ernnlent in this con~rtryto oi~vethe Nation fro111the Comnlanists who want to tear it tlown and wreck all that we have built in Biner- ica. Tlle only are11 wllo have pat~iotimtu do it are the wldierfi and Snledley Butler-is the ideal leader. He could organize one m1111011 ilrea orer night." Continuilig, F~wacllslukil that during the conversation MacGuim told 11iol about his trip to Europe ancl of the studies that he had wade of the Fascist, Nazi, and French moveinenka and the parts that the veterans llad played in them. Prr~ichfurther tevtifietl that hiacGnilw considered the movement entimly nn(1 tre11n~n(loaslyptttriotic and thnt any number of popk big ~ltlr~~es woabcl Ist! willing to help finance lt. Fr\slich stated that (luring tlle course of the conversation, MacGnil*e continually disci~ssed" the need of a man on a white horse" and quoted MacGuire as having said 'cWe might go along with Roose- velt ant1 theil do with hi111 what hfossolini clicl with the King of Ital ." dcGuire, according to French, erpremed the belief that half of the A~ncricanLegion rt11t1 the Vetcru~sof Forcipn Wnrs would fol- low Geilel.:rl Butler if he were to an~io~mmtl~cpiail that hiacCfnire La<l,in ~nind. Toward the close of the convelsation, Fre~lclchsays thrt M:lcCxnira told him that Ile was going to Mial~lifor the Aa~ericanT.egio11 con- vention v~iclthat he wo~~ltltry to s~! I31ltlcr hfo1~11e left, bnt that Ilutler's bing out of town prevente0 P lileeting and tllat, so fnr as Le hew, they 11ud not seen each otller since. Gerald C. MacA311ix.e was called to tllo stnnil late in the afternoon of Ttie~lay~Nove~nlxr20 and after ixilig idcntifie(1 8s a hnd sales- man wit11 Grayson M.-P. M11rp11y $ CO., stakl tllnt he wua a mew ber of the distingnisl~d-gwstcs~umitteeof the Legion Convention in 1933,and later testified lte was alternate delegate to the Portland con- vention in 1932 ancl delegate to Mian~iin 1081. He stated thnt he had seen (fcneral Butler on varinns and windry aaasi(uis, adskitting that the fi~rtti~ne110 welit tl~clrwas in tlic mnlpaiiy of iYilliuai Iloyie, of Yw~~cl~uaetta.Ile clenies that m
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