The Times of India has said that your newspaper brought about the murder of Mr. Rand." Hadn't it ?'*— ' Yes '.
"Why didn't you bring action against the news-paper ?" — ' I went to Bombay for the purpose but I was arrested on the same day, so I couldn't do anything '.
"Why did you not take proceedings when you came out of prison ?" — * I did and received an apology from the paper '.
Sir Edward Carson read from a leading article in the Kesari dated June 21st, 1908, on which he relied partly to establish the plea of justification and asked the witness whether the article did not encourage the use of bombs. The witness denied this and said that the article merely pointed to the inevitable result of mis-government. On Sir Edward Carson reading further extracts, the witness denied that these passages contained any incitement. He said that he was explaining the conditions under which bomb outrages were likely to occur. He was simply setting forth the sequence of events and warning both the bomb-throwers and the officials of the danger of the situation. In course of his rephes the witess illustrated his point by mentioning the situation in Ulster.
"Ulster can take care of itself. You won't gain anything by introducing personal matters." — ' It is no more a personal matter than the case of Russia is '.
At a later stage replying to His Lordship the witness said there were some 200 races including castes in India professing five different religions. He did not want any one race or religion to be dominant. He wanted a democracy for all.
