280 KECORD$ OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION Monday MADISON August continually dividing & heating the two houses. Sometimes indeed if the matter of the amendment of the Senate is pleas- ing to the other House they wink at the encroachment; if it be displeasing, then the Constitution is appealed to.. Every Session is distracted by altercations on this subject. The practice now becoming frequent is {or the Senate not to make formal amendments; but to send down a schedule of the altera- tions which will procure the bill their assent. Mr. Carrol. The most ingenious men in Maryd. are'puz- zled to define the case of money bills, or explain the Con- stitution on that point; tho' it seemed to be worded with all possible plainness & precision. It is a source of continual difficulty & squabble between the two houses. Mr. McHenry mentioned an instance of extraordinary subterfuge, to get rid of the apparent force of the Constitution On Question on the first part of the motion as to the exclu- sive originating of Money bills in the H. of Reps. N.H. ay. Mas. ay. Ct. no. N.J. no. Pa. no. Del. no. Md. no. Virga. ay. Mr. Blair & Mr. M. no-Mr. R. Col. Mason and *Genl. Washington ay. N. C. ay. S.C. no. Geo. no [Ayes -- 4; noes -- 7.] Question on Originating by H. of Reps & amending by Senate. <as reported, Art IV. Sect. 5.) ?6 N.H. ay. Mas. ay. Ct. no. N J. no. Pa. no. Del. no. Md. no Va.$ ay. <N. C. ay} S.C. no. Geo. no [Ayes- 4; noes m 7.] <Question on the last clause of sect: 5--Art: IVmviz "No money shall be drawn from the Public Treasury, but in pursuance of appropriations that shall originate in the House of Reps. It passed in the negative N.H. no. Mas. ay Con. no N. J no. Pa. no Del no. Md no Va no. N. C. no. S.C. no. Geo. no.)'7 [Ayes- x; noes Ad.jd2 8
- he disapproved & till now voted agst., the exclusive privilege, he gave up his
judgment he said, because it was not of very material weight with him & was made an essential point with others, who if disappointed, might be less cordial in other points of real weight. t (In the printed Journ Virga w no) Taken from Journal. ?* Taken from Journal, see ahoy*, not? 5. See further Appendix A, I2CXXIII, LXXXIIIa.
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