538 RECORDS OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION Friday MADISON S?pt?mb?r ? as tide waiters &c. He had not reduced his idea to writing? but it could be easily done if it should be found acceptable. On the question shall the vice President be ex officio Presi- dent of the Senate? N-- H. ay-- Mas. a�-- Ct. ay. N.J. no. Pa. ay. Del. ay-- Mas-- no. Va ay-- N-- C-- abst S.C. ay-- Geo. ay. [Ayes -- 8; noes -- 2; absent -- I.] The other parts of the same (Section? (3) were then agreed to. The (Section 4.) ?4-- to wit, "The President by & with the advice and consent of the Senate shall have power to make Treaties &c" Mr. Wilson moved to add, after the word "Senate" the words, "and House of Representatives". As treaties he said are to have the operation of laws, the 7 ought to have the sanction of laws also. The circumstance of secrecy in the business of treaties formed the only objection; but this he thought, so far as it was inconsistent with obtaining the Legislative sanction, was outweighed by the necessity of the latter. Mr. Sherman thought the only question that could be made was whether the power could be safely trusted to the Senate. He thought it could; and that the necessity' of secrecy in the case of treaties forbade a reference of them to the whole Legislature. Mr Fitzsimmons 2ded. the motion of Mr Wilson, & on the question ?5 N.H. no. Mas. no. Ct. no. N.J. no. Pa ay. Del. no. Md. no Va. no. N. C. no. S.C. no. Geo. no. [Ayes ? I; noes ? I0.] The first sentence as to making treaties, was then Agreed to: nem: con: ? "He shall nominate &c Appoint ambassadors &c." Mr. Wilson objected to the mode of appointing, as blending a branch of the Legislature with the Executive. Good laws are of no effect without a good Executive; and there can be Crossed out "(7) clause". See further, September 8, Appendix A, CXLIX, CLII, CLXX, CCXXV, CCXXVIII, CCLXXII, CCLXXIV, CCCXXII, CCCXXVI.
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