Index talk:Twice-Told Tales.djvu

@ShakespeareFan00: If you have time to fix this Index page, that would be helpful :). Outlier59 (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

What needs fixing? I'm not seeing anything obvious ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Two volumes

I noticed 18 tales in this book and 36 tales in Twice-Told Tales.

Twice-Told Tales was written in 2 volumes, the first in 1837 (this index file), and a second volume in 1842. The 1842 volume did not sell well at the time and is rare.[1] But the volumes were reprinted in 1851, the only change being a new preface (Vol 2 is at Internet Archive identifier: twicetoldtales00hawtrich).

The existing text at Twice-Told Tales might be from the 1876 printing in Commons.[2]

@Prosody:, what are your thoughts on how best to deal with this in Wikisource? Should the existing Twice-Told Tales be over-written from the 1837 and 1851 volumes, or should we keep the "unsourced" text for possible proofing against the 1876 edition? I'm not sure how to handle this. Meanwhile, I'll proof this volume 1. :) Outlier59 (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

When replacing non-Proofread Page texts with Proofread Page texts it's best I think to try to use the same edition if the edition is known or identifiable. In the case of a mismatch you can either abandon the current Proofread Page project and start again with the right edition or you can finish the current Proofread Page project and transclude it on a separate page, keeping the original non-Proofread Page text to be replaced later with its proper edition. See The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy for an example of multiple editions of the same text. Prosody (talk) 01:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Prosody: Please help me out here if you can. I'm backtracking, but I wonder why you created this Index file for Twice-Told Tales that doesn't match the existing Wikisource Namespace text. I understand having various versions of a text on Wikisource, but this text isn't compatible with the existing "Twice-Told Tales" being presented to the public in Namespace. Maybe I didn't make it clear that I'm mainly concerned that the current text in Namespace should be linked to a reliable scanned text for public presentation. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear when I asked you to provide a scan for Twice-Told Tales in Namespace! We know the book has been re-published many times. I guess my question is, for presentation in Namespace, what source text should we use for the existing Twice-Told Tales? -- Outlier59 (talk) 02:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't able to identify the edition of the text with a cursory examination so I uploaded the first edition. If there are differences between editions you should replace the main namespace text with a Proofread Page'd version of the corresponding edition.

Please note that this is an 11 year old digital edition, relatively old here, from a time when we didn't have many norms for editing and presented texts in ways that are faithful to the print editions. Things like making it clear that it represents multiple separate print volumes or including prefaces or the like could be omitted. In fact, I would be willing to bet money it' s a slightly edited version of Project Gutenberg's text, which itself provides no information for the print edition it was transcribed from. And I'd be losing that money, that text is from the single volume first edition or a reprint. Prosody (talk) 04:27, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Prosody: Thank you! It's starting to make sense now. I'll proof this collection then link these stories to Twice-Told Tales. That will give scan-backed texts for some of the stories. After that (one thing at a time), I'll look at bringing in the second set of stories (1851). Sound OK? Outlier59 (talk) 14:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Seems like a good plan to me. Prosody (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

First set of stories (1837) almost done

@Prosody: The first stories are in Twice-Told Tales (1837) now. I linked one story to Twice-Told Tales at The Gray Champion, but I'm not sure I'm doing this right. If you could, please check The Gray Champion page before I change the other story pages, I'd appreciate it. I wiped out a LOT of text when I linked The Gray Champion to djvu pages. I'm basically creating a second copy of the 1837 stories in namespace. Not sure the best way to do this.... Outlier59 (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

@Prosody: I'm going ahead and linking these tales to Twice-Told Tales. Please revert if done incorrectly. The second set of tales is in progress. Outlier59 (talk) 12:29, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Outlier59: I'd recommend redirecting the older version story pages to the proofread 1837 main namespace transclusions unless you're planning to do multiple editions covering the same stories (as opposed to the multiple volumes published over several years you described above). Other than that looks good. Prosody (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Prosody: I've done redirects for the first five stories in Twice-Told Tales. I don't have much experience with redirects. Please check if it looks OK to you. Outlier59 (talk) 23:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

@Outlier59: Looks good. Prosody (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC)