Talk:The Times/1854/News/The Charge of the Light Brigade

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typed it out by hand from a hard copy, then later found,,17629-1317953,00.html online, dammit Sherurcij (talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει) 07:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The above source was just an extract. I found a more complete source at I'm not really sure if that's the complete article either but it looks a bit more like it

Unfortunately that source has a number of errors, it changes "At ten minutes past eleven, our Light Cavalry Brigade advanced ...As they rushed towards the front, the Russians opened on them from guns " to "At 11:00 our Light Cavalry Brigade rushed to the front...The Russians opened on them with guns from the redoubts on the right", it changes all the times from written ("At thirty-five minutes past eleven..." to "At 11:35..."), even making an error in the first time, from 11:10 to 11:00. As the article first appeared in the Times, I would trust the Times archives to be accurate, plus it agrees with the hard copy I have in front of me. :[1] is the other location that has the "incorrect" translation you're referencing, including the "Russians opened on them with guns..." instead of the correct "Russians open on them from guns..." - so I'm going to change back to the original version. Leaving the introduction that is...well, "missing" from the Times version and my own - perhaps it ran in some papers and not in others? I'm not sure, but since we don't have any other source for it, we'll assume it's correct. Thanks for the help! Sherurcij (talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει) 20:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This third version is from Project Gutenberg, much longer than either of the earlier two but still quite incomplete as evidenced by the missing opening--Metal.lunchbox 21:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The times archive bit is just an excerpt, but it's the best version we have for now. The original is probably about 10 times longer, but i've never seen the orignal paper and don't have access to it. I'm taking it back to the excerpt.--Metal.lunchbox 21:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This one is quite complicated as Russell also published several books and has been republished everywhere the Mammoth Book of Journalism by Jon E. Lewis p15-27 has what I presume to be the full article after a brief introduction. Its much longer, looks quite complete and I don't have any OCR capabilitiies so I'm leaving up to the others--Metal.lunchbox 22:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

source is now I really don't like the Times Archive version and I think that there is no reason to trust it. "Opening on them from guns" doesn't make any sense I assume it to be a poorly transcribed chopped up excerpt

What do you mean when you say "hard copy," what were you copying from to begin with?--Metal.lunchbox 22:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)