The Dialogues of Plato (Jowett)/Euthydemus
EUTHYDEMUS.
PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE.
| Socrates, who is the narrator of the Dialogue. Crito. Cleinias. |
Euthydemus Dionysodorus Cresippus. |
Scene:—The Lyceum.
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Euthydemus.
Crito, Socrates.
CRITO. Who
was the person, Socrates, with whom you
were talkuig yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a
crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I
caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as
I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were
talking: who was he?
Socrates. There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean?
Cri. The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown ; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking : the other is thin and looks younger than he is.
Soc. He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation.
Cri.[1] Neither of them are known to me, Socrates; they are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine. Of what country are they, and what is their line of wisdom?
Euthydemus.Socrates, Crito.The various accomplishments of Euthydemus and Dionysodorus.
Soc. As to their origin, I believe that they are natives of this part of the world, and have migrated from Chios to Thurii ; they were driven out of Thurii, and have been living for many years past in these regions. As to their wisdom, about which you ask, Crito, they are wonderful — consummate ! I never knew what the true pancratiast was before ; they are simply made up of fighting, not like the two Acarnanian brothers who fight with their bodies only, but this pair of heroes, besides being perfect in the use of their bodies, are invincible in every sort of warfare; for they 272 are capital at fighting in armour, and will teach the art to any one who pays them; and also they are most skilful in legal warfare ; they will plead themselves and teach others to speak and to compose speeches which will have an effect upon the courts. And this was only the beginning of their wisdom, but they have at last carried out the pancratiastic art to the very end, and have mastered the only mode of fighting which had been hitherto neglected by them ; and now no one dares even to stand up against them : such is their skill in the war of words, that they can refute any proposition whether true or false. Now I am thinking, Crito, of placing myself in their hands ; for they say that in a short time they can impart their skill to any one.
Cri. But, Socrates, are you not too old ? there may be reason to fear that.
Socrates thinks that he is not too old to become their pupil. Soc. Certainly not, Crito ; as I will prove to you, for I have the consolation of knowing that they began this art of disputation which I covet, quite, as I may say, in old age ; last year, or the year before, they had none of their new wisdom. I am only apprehensive that I may bring the two strangers into disrepute, as I have done Connus the son of Metrobius, the harp-player, who is still my music-master ; for when the boys who go to him see me going with them, they laugh at me and call him grandpapa's master. Now I should not like the strangers to experience similar treatment ; the fear of ridicule may make them unwilling to receive me; and therefore, Crito, I shall try and persuade some old men to accompany me to them, as I persuaded them to go with me to Connus, and 1 hope that you will make one : and perhaps we had better take your sons as a bait; they will want to Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/246 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/247 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/248 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/249 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/250 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/251 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/252 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/253 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/254 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/255 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/256 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/257 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/258 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/259 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/260 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/261 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/262 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/263 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/264 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/265 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/266 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/267 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/268 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/269 Page:The Dialogues of Plato v. 1.djvu/270
Footnotes
[edit]- ↑ Or, according to the arrangement of Stallbaum:—
Cri. Neither of them are known to me.
Soc. They are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine.
Cri. Of what country, &c.